Turn deserts green as alternative theory on stabilization of the climate?

[DennisPTate]

25 years ago in San Diego the argument against desalination was....

the added salt would make the water too salty and kill clams etc...


OH the horrors, a couple of clams... which isn't even true of course... but think of the tradeoff...

a few clams or... a $20 billion Palisades fire...

NICE....

Exactly!

The extreme Environmentalists in California who used lame excuse after lame excuse to stop those proposals for large scale desalination of ocean water off the coast of California played a role in setting the stage for that "$20 billion Palisades fire."

The California firefighters who risked their lives to attempt to stop those fires, didn't have enough H2O to work with. They had been betrayed by elected officials and bureaucrats who had been taught illogical and rather extreme ideas on the environment.

 

[EMH]

Exactly!

The extreme Environmentalists in California who used lame excuse after lame excuse to stop those proposals for large scale desalination of ocean water off the coast of California played a role in setting the stage for that "$20 billion Palisades fire."

The California firefighters who risked their lives to attempt to stop those fires, didn't have enough H2O to work with. They had been betrayed by elected officials and bureaucrats who had been taught illogical and rather extreme ideas on the environment.

Several have just come forward and claimed they were ordered to leave the initial Palisades fire...

LA firefighters were ordered to ditch smoldering blaze that turned into Palisades inferno: report

“And the rest is history.”

nypost.com

We can solve the issue of the fires. We can't solve the "Alliance for Treason Against America" without dramatic DOJ action, which is what wanted the fire.

 

[DennisPTate]

There is only one way to "change" the treasonous fudgebaking liars behind CO2 FRAUD, and that is up to Pam Bondi, and, well...


WE'RE WAITING....

You may have noticed that early in Trump 45's term Trump was all of a sudden just CERTAIN that "Global Warming" was in fact fraud. Trump's mistake was asking traitor Jeff Sessions to prosecute it....

Here is my theory on an over view of the big picture relating to the environment.

Al Gore's professor was part of a group who wanted to link the supply and price of oil to the fiat currencies of the leading economies of the world. That detail is mentioned in the documentary "Why Big Oil Conquered the World."

Why Big Oil Conquered the World
Why Big Oil Conquered the World

When Mr. Al Gore came out with his documentary, [or infomercial], "An Inconvenient Truth" his idea was embraced by an influential group of extremely wealthy people who could be termed "Malthusian" or more accurately "Neo-Malthusian."

Neo-Malthusianism is the advocacy of human population planning to ensure resources and environmental integrities for current and future human populations as well as for other species.<a href="Malthusianism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> In Britain the term "Malthusian" can also refer more specifically to arguments made in favour of family planning, hence organizations such as the Malthusian League.<a href="Malthusianism - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> Neo-Malthusians differ from Malthus's theories mainly in their support for the use of birth control. Malthus, a devout Christian, believed that "self-control" (i.e., abstinence) was preferable to artificial birth control. He also worried that the effect of contraceptive use would be too powerful in curbing growth; it was commonly believed in the 18th century (including by Malthus) that a steadily growing population remained a necessary factor in the continuing "progress of society", generally. Modern neo-Malthusians are generally more concerned than Malthus with environmental degradation and catastrophic famine than with poverty.

Malthusianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Later Mr. Bill Gates is likely handed the script to "Innovating to zero" which he obediently reads for the camera. By playing the role of the "Poster Boy for Neo-Malthusianism" he got a lot of support from the same type of people who came up with schemes that you can get an idea of in the film, "All The Money In the World" that stars Mark Wallenberg.

All the Money in the World Official Trailer #1 (2017) Mark Wahlberg, Kevin Spacey Biography Movie HD​

The eight thousand five hundred wealthiest of the wealthy tend to use "Foundations' dedicated to a supposedly altruistic and worthy goal, [such as collecting art or researching vaccines], to pay almost zero income tax.

 

[DennisPTate]

Several have just come forward and claimed they were ordered to leave the initial Palisades fire...

LA firefighters were ordered to ditch smoldering blaze that turned into Palisades inferno: report

“And the rest is history.”

nypost.com

We can solve the issue of the fires. We can't solve the "Alliance for Treason Against America" without dramatic DOJ action, which is what wanted the fire.

Wow!

If that is true then that means that powerful people wanted to fire to gain momentum!

 

[EMH]

Here is my theory on an over view of the big picture relating to the environment.

Al Gore's professor was part of a group who wanted to link the supply and price of oil to the fiat currencies of the leading economies of the world. That detail is mentioned in the documentary "Why Big Oil Conquered the World."



When Mr. Al Gore came out with his documentary, [or infomercial], "An Inconvenient Truth" his idea was embraced by an influential group of extremely wealthy people who could be termed "Malthusian" or more accurately "Neo-Malthusian."



Later Mr. Bill Gates is likely handed the script to "Innovating to zero" which he obediently reads for the camera. By playing the role of the "Poster Boy for Neo-Malthusianism" he got a lot of support from the same type of people who came up with schemes that you can get an idea of in the film, "All The Money In the World" that stars Mark Wallenberg.



The eight thousand five hundred wealthiest of the wealthy tend to use "Foundations' dedicated to a supposedly altruistic and worthy goal, [such as collecting art or researching vaccines], to pay almost zero income tax.

Those treasonous ####heads do not like EMH, not at all...

 

[EMH]

Wow!

If that is true then that means that powerful people wanted to fire to gain momentum!

Same reason they fought against desalination, they LOVE the fires....

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/29/nx-s1-5273676/la-fires-climate-change-rainfall-extreme-weather

 

[DennisPTate]

Same reason they fought against desalination, they LOVE the fires....

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/29/nx-s1-5273676/la-fires-climate-change-rainfall-extreme-weather

Yes, it seems that extremely influential people over this past decade in Canada and in the USA wanted a Supply Chain Crisis, and decreased productivity by USA and Canadian workers. It seems like they wanted to set in motion what could easily have became a "Bear Market."

It seems to me that they wanted an epidemic of homelessness, [which can be seen in the City of Hamilton, Ontario at a level that was unheard of decades ago].

 

[EMH]

Yes, it seems that extremely influential people over this past decade in Canada and in the USA wanted a Supply Chain Crisis, and decreased productivity by USA and Canadian workers. It seems like they wanted to set in motion what could easily have became a "Bear Market."

It seems to me that they wanted an epidemic of homelessness, [which can be seen in the City of Hamilton, Ontario at a level that was unheard of decades ago].

They are "Alliance for Treason Against America"

Truly sick people. They were also the ones pushing for mandating Murderous Fraud Vax.

 

[DennisPTate]

They are "Alliance for Treason Against America"

Truly sick people. They were also the ones pushing for mandating Murderous Fraud Vax.

Yes, I refused to take the C o v i d 1 9 vaccine and I was forced to retire from my job as a school janitor one day before I would have been put on Unpaid Administrative Leave anyway.

Then I had to leave our house that we already had listed and I drove to Mississauga, where I rather easily found a job where I did not have to take that particular vaccine. [I have taken lots of other vaccines, but I refused to take that one].

 

[Woodznutz]

No, for very real reasons.

For one, as others have pointed out the land simply does not support any kind of meaningful plants because of the ground.

Second, doing so would be incredibly destructive to the ecology that lives there now. Desert wildlife (plants and animals) are among the most endangered on the planet, and it always makes me shake my head when people casually discuss completely destroying their habitat in the belief that doing so will improve things. And among those animals are the Saharan Cheetah, the Dama Gazelle, the Ostrich, the Egyptian tortoise, and others.

And finally, not only is doing so extremely expensive in power demands, doing so also generally causes large damage to the oceans near where it does because of the huge amounts of brine pumped back into the ocean. Desalinization is not very efficient, processing around five gallons of sea water to produce one gallon of drinkable water. And that four gallons of highly concentrated brine that is pumped back into the ocean as a waste product devastates the local marine ecology.

So in reality, people that want to do things like this really wants to destroy two ecosystems, in order to create a fantasy ecosystem that will fail the moment that somebody stops maintaining the system.

For every one person concerned about the earth there are tens of thousands who don't give a shit (I made up those numbers, but I believe they are accurate if not understated).

 

[DennisPTate]

For every one person concerned about the earth there are tens of thousands who don't give a shit (I made up those numbers, but I believe they are accurate if not understated).

I think that you are correct but there is another way to look at all of this. The people who recognize that it will cost billions of dollars in investment to find the best and most efficient ways to turn deserts green, might be the same people who could become the most vocal and active in an effort to restore intelligent Central Banking policies to the USA and Canada.

"As every environmentalist knows, over the last few centuries we humans have created an ecologically unsustainable industrial economy. Unless we radically reform our way of doing things and create a sustainable economic system we are doomed to suffer drastic changes. What most environmentalists--and indeed most economists--do not know is that over the last few centuries we humans have also created an economically unsustainable financial system. Unless we radically reform this financial system it will recurringly break down and thwart our efforts to heal the planet.

Our current financial system diverts us from our real problems to ask, "Where is the money going to come from?" This should be the least of our worries. As long as we have vast unmet human needs and idle human and nonhuman resources, and resources which can be diverted from wasteful activities such as the military, finance should never be allowed to stand in the way of doing what must be done. Could anything be more insane than for the human race to die out because we "couldn't afford" to save ourselves?" (John Hotson)
......

[Here is a related article by Economist John Hotson, Economist Harold Chorney and Economist Mario Seccarrecia].

“Clearly the current problem of the Canadian government's deficit is not its absolute size, or its size relative to the GDP, but the insane way it is being financed. A return to the policies of the World War II era, when the Bank of Canada produced almost one-half of the new money at near-zero interest, would do wonders for the economy, while greatly shrinking the deficit... The first order of business for a post-Mulroney-era government must be to regain effective control of the Bank of Canada and make it the primary source of money creation.

“It is ludicrous for the government to put billions of dollars into circulation by borrowing from the private banks, when it can create the extra money it needs, virtually free.​

Banks create money​

“We have to keep in mind that our monetary economy only grows when the money supply grows. Under the present debt-driven system, the only way we can increase the money supply is by borrowing it into existence from the private banks, thereby increasing our indebtedness to them.

“It can't be stressed too much that the private banks, unlike non-bank lenders, create the money they lend. They do not — as is so widely imagined, even by the bankers themselves — lend their depositors' money. The amount of new money created by a bank loan, however, is only sufficient to pay back the principal. No money is created to pay the interest, except that which is paid to the holders of bank deposits. That's why debts must continually grow faster and faster in order for each layer of additional debt and interest to be paid.

“If that strikes you as a very dumb and dangerous way to operate a monetary system, you're right. Clearly it would be much safer and more sensible to have at least a large amount of the needed new money spent into circulation debt free by the federal government — or lent by it interest free to the junior levels of government which lack the power to create money. Reform of the monetary system is therefore the key to controlling the deficit and lowering the public debt.” (End of the three economists' pamphlet.)​

Appendix B — The Bank of Canada Must Finance our Country, Debt-Free, Say Three Economists

Here are excerpts from a pamphlet published in 1992 entitled The Deficit Made Me Do It!, edited by Ed Finn, of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives, in which three economists (Harold Chorney, John Hotson, and Mario Seccareccia) debunk the myths about government debt, and repeat, in their...

famguardian.org

 

[Mushroom]

For every one person concerned about the earth there are tens of thousands who don't give a shit (I made up those numbers, but I believe they are accurate if not understated).

Or people that claim they care, but in reality are pursuing their own agendas.

 

[Woodznutz]

Or people that claim they care, but in reality are pursuing their own agendas.

If we look at the problem, not the solution, 'holistically', we will likely discover that there are more efforts to destroy the earth going on than can be overcome by 'holistic' solutions.

The very nature of destruction favors the destroyers. That which takes centuries to build can be wiped away in few hours.

 

[Foxfyre]

My online friend Carl Cantrell has an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that struck me as being exceptionally insightful and because it sounds a lot like statements in Isaiah chapter thirty five this is potentially not as divisive as the Al Gore, Carbon Tax Theory that practically put America into something of an intellectual Civil War.

We know that astonishingly good technology now exists to desalinate sea water on a massive scale. Obviously every cubic meter of sea water that is desalinated and ends up replenishing a depleted underground aquifer in a nation that has lots of desert sounds like great news for anybody who owns real estate that is vulnerable to the threat of rising ocean levels.



I believe that the Carl Cantrell alternative theory on stabilization of the climate has the potential to play a part in the Part Two to the Abraham Peace Accords. There is an ancient Islamic prediction for our time period that fits amazingly well with what Carl has proposed.

I checked 'other' on the poll asm in my opinion, there is no effort to stabilize the climate or anything else. There is an intense effort to control as much of the people and their liberties and resources as they think they can get away with.

I think it possible that adding seven billion people to the one billion who were here at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution could have added a teensy percentage of 'green house' gasses to the atmosphere. But all eight billion of us are here and short of unprecedented massive genocide, we are pretty much stuck with that eight billion.

There is zero evidence produced by anybody that all the trillions of dollars expended, all the draconian mandates, rules, regulations to limit the people's liberty, choices, options, opportunity has produced reduction of CO2 or any other so-called greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. By the way they conduct business and live their lives, there is equally no evidence that those in power promoting those mandates, rules, regulations are personally concerned about climate change.

All they really have accomplished so far is to scare the crap out of children and youth who are not allowed to see any scientific data/evidence/arguments other than that promoting AGW. And they have been able to demand and get compliance from the gullible.

So yes. Of course we should continue to research/study everything about our planet and what is happening on it. And do what we can to eliminate or mitigate what is provably harmful.

But if we are going to be pouring infinite resources into climate change, that should be focused on helping humankind adapt constructively to inevitable climate change.

Desalinization/utilization of ocean water is definitely something we should be seriously looking at.

I have been arguing this for some time now:

Thread 'A Balanced View of Climate Change'

Mar 14, 2024

Paraphrased from my source for this thread: more than a million people are killed and multi millions injured in traffic accidents every year that goes by. We could reduce that carnage to near zero if we just reduced traffic speeds to 3 miles an hour. Anybody willing to agree to that to save all those lives? I think 99.9% of people world wide would think that an unreasonable remedy for the problem.

So let's look at unreasonable 'remedies' for the climate change problem.

I have long argued that whether human activity is the driving force behind climate change or not, human kind is here...

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[Woodznutz]

I checked 'other' on the poll asm in my opinion, there is no effort to stabilize the climate or anything else. There is an intense effort to control as much of the people and their liberties and resources as they think they can get away with.

I think it possible that adding seven billion people to the one billion who were here at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution could have added a teensy percentage of 'green house' gasses to the atmosphere. But all eight billion of us are here and short of unprecedented massive genocide, we are pretty much stuck with that eight billion.

There is zero evidence produced by anybody that all the trillions of dollars expended, all the draconian mandates, rules, regulations to limit the people's liberty, choices, options, opportunity has produced reduction of CO2 or any other so-called greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere. By the way they conduct business and live their lives, there is equally no evidence that those in power promoting those mandates, rules, regulations are personally concerned about climate change.

All they really have accomplished so far is to scare the crap out of children and youth who are not allowed to see any scientific data/evidence/arguments other than that promoting AGW. And they have been able to demand and get compliance from the gullible.

So yes. Of course we should continue to research/study everything about our planet and what is happening on it. And do what we can to eliminate or mitigate what is provably harmful.

But if we are going to be pouring infinite resources into climate change, that should be focused on helping humankind adapt constructively to inevitable climate change.

Desalinization/utilization of ocean water is definitely something we should be seriously looking at.

I have been arguing this for some time now:

Thread 'A Balanced View of Climate Change'

Mar 14, 2024

Paraphrased from my source for this thread: more than a million people are killed and multi millions injured in traffic accidents every year that goes by. We could reduce that carnage to near zero if we just reduced traffic speeds to 3 miles an hour. Anybody willing to agree to that to save all those lives? I think 99.9% of people world wide would think that an unreasonable remedy for the problem.

So let's look at unreasonable 'remedies' for the climate change problem.

I have long argued that whether human activity is the driving force behind climate change or not, human kind is here...

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Most of our attempts seem like a losing battle.

 

[Foxfyre]

Most of our attempts seem like a losing battle.

Trading and/or selling carbon credits isn't an attempt. It is a means of really significant/oppressive taxation without calling it taxes.

Exempting most of the world's largest population concentrations from the climate control protocols is not really an attempt. It does underscore how unserious the pretended attempt really is.

Falsifying or cherry picking data, disallowing differing opinions, moving the goal posts again and again as the model predictions come and go and are consistently wrong is not an attempt. It is dishonest manipulation.

 

[EMH]

Yes, I refused to take the C o v i d 1 9 vaccine and I was forced to retire from my job as a school janitor one day before I would have been put on Unpaid Administrative Leave anyway.

Then I had to leave our house that we already had listed and I drove to Mississauga, where I rather easily found a job where I did not have to take that particular vaccine. [I have taken lots of other vaccines, but I refused to take that one].

I am extremely pleased that you refused. I tried my best to get everyone here to refuse it.

Search results for query: murderous fraud vax

www.usmessageboard.com

12 pages of it...

 

[EMH]

Most of our attempts seem like a losing battle.

The CO2 FRAUD is the most anti environmental crime ever.

$20 trillion has been wasted over nothing. Millions of people have spent hours thinking about complete BS like "carbon footprint." CO2 FRAUD is misdiagnosing things like the fires and rejecting solutions like desalination. CO2 is absolutely by far the most horrific crime ever against the actual Earth environment.

 

[Woodznutz]

Those are all good points but Allan Savory Ph. D. believes that herd animals can turn deserts green. Backing them up with at least some sea water desalination seems logical though.


Can sheep save the planet? Yes! says Allan Savory

Two things I disagree with.

1."Saving civilization as we know it" just perpetuates all of our problems.

2. Burn the grass. There aren't enough sheep in the world to do what he suggests.

 

[DennisPTate]

Two things I disagree with.

1."Saving civilization as we know it" just perpetuates all of our problems.

2. Burn the grass. There aren't enough sheep in the world to do what he suggests.

Good points but in other lectures he expands his explanation of what sheep can do to also cattle, buffalo, goats and even elephants.




I also believe that mega-scale desalination of sea water such as is being done at the Israeli "Sorek" desalination facility could really assist those sheep, cattle, goats or other herd animals.