Turkey drops objections to Finland and Sweden joining NATO

[CaptainRussia]

Poootin has turned Russia into a Pariah on the world stage. Even though many repubs in the US defend him and his evil actions, he is sending Russian down the road to destruction.

The opposite, Russia and China are turning the US into a pariah state by allying with the countries that you scrwed over. The Kissinger era policies are the reason why countries like Iran, Syria and South Africa are Major allies of Russia when they used to be pro US.

 

[rightwinger]

NATO funded resistance working going well in Syria, Iraq and Yemen, does it?
As you probably noticed, your terrorists are being crushed there and you will ultimately lose the wars.

Putin has put you in a position you can’t get out of

He has exposed your military as a paper Tiger incapable of facing a western power

He can’t support deployed military forces and Ukraine will not let him off the hook

The Russian economy is incapable of providing basic necessities. Spare parts and replacing failing equipment will grind you to a halt

Meanwhile, NATO has expanded on your borders and Ukraine is building a strong western alliance

Trump was right…..Putin is a “genius”

 

[CaptainRussia]

Putin has put you in a position you can’t get out of

He has exposed your military as a paper Tiger incapable of facing a western power

He can’t support deployed military forces and Ukraine will not let him off the hook

The Russian economy is incapable of providing basic necessities. Spare parts and replacing failing equipment will grind you to a halt

Meanwhile, NATO has expanded on your borders and Ukraine is building a strong western alliance

Trump was right…..Putin is a “genius”

Russia has just taken Ukraines most important areas and broken through all their defenses as well as killed their most professional soldiers. They are now mobilizing for the 6th time, not a sign a country is winning.

NATO and strong alliance? 2 of your NATO countries on the brink of war again, Turkey and Greece. The former is about to turn on you anytime now.
NATO has neither the manpower, human resources or capacity to fight any war with Russia, let alone China in their own backyard.

If you deploy your forces or nukes in Finland, there will be a nuclear Armageddon from which no western country will ever recover.

 

[rightwinger]

Russia has just taken Ukraines most important areas and broken through all their defenses as well as killed their most professional soldiers. They are now mobilizing for the 6th time, not a sign a country is winning.

NATO and strong alliance? 2 of your NATO countries on the brink of war again, Turkey and Greece. The former is about to turn on you anytime now.
NATO has neither the manpower, human resources or capacity to fight any war with Russia, let alone China in their own backyard.

If you deploy your forces or nukes in Finland, there will be a nuclear Armageddon from which no western country will ever recover.

A shallow victory

Problem for Putin is the rest of the world is not willing to shake hands and walk away

Problem with forceful occupation of territory is holding it

The US tried it for 20 years in Afghanistan and realized it is not worth it

Putin’s economy can’t support two years of occupation

 

[rightwinger]

Problem for Putin is he is not being treated as a Liberator like he claims

Targeting civilians and leveling cities does not earn you many friends.

NATO will be providing those citizens with the tools they need to drive Putin crazy

 

[JohnDB]

Russia has just taken Ukraines most important areas and broken through all their defenses as well as killed their most professional soldiers. They are now mobilizing for the 6th time, not a sign a country is winning.

NATO and strong alliance? 2 of your NATO countries on the brink of war again, Turkey and Greece. The former is about to turn on you anytime now.
NATO has neither the manpower, human resources or capacity to fight any war with Russia, let alone China in their own backyard.

If you deploy your forces or nukes in Finland, there will be a nuclear Armageddon from which no western country will ever recover.

So a purhric victory is better than a loss?

It's better to destroy the whole world than admit defeat?
That's a classic definition of narcissistic behavior.

None of the goals Russia has claimed it wanted are achievable. It's lost more in food security, financial security, world estimation, and perceived defensive capabilities than Sadaam Hussein.

Currently ISIL is reforming to attack once again because of the failures in Ukraine. They think that the Kremlin would make a nice new throne. But they might have to fight China and North Korea for it....both are eyeballing the Kremlin as well. And Currently China knows which side of the bread the butter is on.....both Taiwan and PRC.

Nope....nothing you have said is even remotely true. Of course the rural life in Russia hasn't changed much....but they don't use rubles out there...they don't even drive to town on a regular basis. Dairy products come from the neighbors in exchange for eggs or chickens.
Nobody buys bread...they make their own.

 

[rightwinger]

So a purhric victory is better than a loss?

It's better to destroy the whole world than admit defeat?
That's a classic definition of narcissistic behavior.

None of the goals Russia has claimed it wanted are achievable. It's lost more in food security, financial security, world estimation, and perceived defensive capabilities than Sadaam Hussein.

Currently ISIL is reforming to attack once again because of the failures in Ukraine. They think that the Kremlin would make a nice new throne. But they might have to fight China and North Korea for it....both are eyeballing the Kremlin as well. And Currently China knows which side of the bread the butter is on.....both Taiwan and PRC.

Nope....nothing you have said is even remotely true. Of course the rural life in Russia hasn't changed much....but they don't use rubles out there...they don't even drive to town on a regular basis. Dairy products come from the neighbors in exchange for eggs or chickens.
Nobody buys bread...they make their own.

With the rest of the world boycotting Russia, China can fill the void.
Not as equal trading partners but making Russia a colonial holding depending on China for its survival

 

[JohnDB]

With the rest of the world boycotting Russia, China can fill the void.
Not as equal trading partners but making Russia a colonial holding depending on China for its survival

Actually sanctions can be applied that make trade with Russia (Even for China) difficult.

"If you do business with Russia you don't do business with us" type thing.

Currently since PRC has its own separate banking system from the Western World it can support Russia with banking.

PRC allows money in but not out. Hong Kong used to until PRC nationalized Hong Kong Banks. Taiwan does still....and that's been a major part of the issue there.
Taiwan is wealthy enough to buy PRC. The banking system there is flush with actual cash. Also Taiwan makes computer chips. Which EVERY chipmaker has financial investments in.

The USA makes the equipment that makes the fast microchips. Nobody else can. It's not exactly stealable technology either and it's not like PRC hasn't tried. Which has caused a huge rift between US/PRC relations.

 

[gipper]

Actually sanctions can be applied that make trade with Russia (Even for China) difficult.

"If you do business with Russia you don't do business with us" type thing.

Currently since PRC has its own separate banking system from the Western World it can support Russia with banking.

PRC allows money in but not out. Hong Kong used to until PRC nationalized Hong Kong Banks. Taiwan does still....and that's been a major part of the issue there.
Taiwan is wealthy enough to buy PRC. The banking system there is flush with actual cash. Also Taiwan makes computer chips. Which EVERY chipmaker has financial investments in.

The USA makes the equipment that makes the fast microchips. Nobody else can. It's not exactly stealable technology either and it's not like PRC hasn't tried. Which has caused a huge rift between US/PRC relations.

Sanctions on Russia have backfired. Russia is doing great economically, not the west.

Foreign Policy Fail: Biden’s Sanctions Are a Windfall For Russia!​

It’s easy to see why, according to a new Harris poll, 71 percent of Americans said they do not want Joe Biden to run for re-election. As Americans face record gas prices and the highest inflation in 40 years, President Biden admits he could not care less. His Administration is committed to fight a proxy war with Russia through Ukraine and Americans just need to suck it up.

Last week a New York Times reporter asked Biden how long he expects Americans to pay record gasoline prices over his Administration’s Ukraine policy. “As long as it takes,” replied the president without hesitation.

“Russia cannot defeat Ukraine,” added Biden as justification for his Administration’s pro-pain policy toward Americans. The president has repeatedly tried to deflect blame for the growing economic crisis by claiming Russia is solely behind recent inflation. "The reason why gas prices are up is because of Russia. Russia, Russia, Russia," he said in the same press conference.

But Biden has a big problem: Americans do not believe him
Foreign Policy Fail: Biden's Sanctions Are a Windfall For Russia! - Antiwar.com Original

 

[JohnDB]

Sanctions on Russia have backfired. Russia is doing great economically, not the west.

Uhhhh
A 300% inflation on imported goods says otherwise.

They are not doing well at all. Their media outlets are all state controlled. Nobody in Russia knows what's going on in the rest of the world or how they started the conflict in Ukraine or how this has destabaled Russia.

Russian leaders need to find some sanity and quickly. Or there isn't going to be a Russia anymore.

 

[gipper]

Uhhhh
A 300% inflation on imported goods says otherwise.

They are not doing well at all. Their media outlets are all state controlled. Nobody in Russia knows what's going on in the rest of the world or how they started the conflict in Ukraine or how this has destabaled Russia.

Russian leaders need to find some sanity and quickly. Or there isn't going to be a Russia anymore.

Wrong. Propaganda.

Could it be old dumb Joe is a Russian spy? Lol

According to a recent New York Times article, increasing global oil and gas prices have enabled Russia to finance its war on Ukraine. US sanctions did not bring the Russian economy to its knees, as Biden promised. They actually brought the American economy to its knees while Russian profits soared.

As Newsweek noted last week, Russian television pundits are joking that with the financial windfall Russia has seen since sanctions were imposed, “Biden is of course our agent.”
Foreign Policy Fail: Biden's Sanctions Are a Windfall For Russia! - Antiwar.com Original

 

[JohnDB]

Wrong. Propaganda.

Could it be old dumb Joe is a Russian spy? Lol

According to a recent New York Times article, increasing global oil and gas prices have enabled Russia to finance its war on Ukraine. US sanctions did not bring the Russian economy to its knees, as Biden promised. They actually brought the American economy to its knees while Russian profits soared.

As Newsweek noted last week, Russian television pundits are joking that with the financial windfall Russia has seen since sanctions were imposed, “Biden is of course our agent.”
Foreign Policy Fail: Biden's Sanctions Are a Windfall For Russia! - Antiwar.com Original

Those that I'm talking to that I have known say that it's bad in the big cities but nothing has changed in the extreme rural areas. But then that would be consistent and not what people want to hear.

If a family likes imported goods like automobiles, clothing, and foods then they are screwed. If they don't use any of those things then they are fine. They have sugar once again...dunno where they got it but for the time being they have some.

This winter when the automobiles start playing bumpercars....that's when it will really get bad. Most automobiles are imports in Russia. Not domestically manufactured with domestically made parts.

And if industry can't produce because they can't get parts for equipment....it gets worse and worse.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

To the contrary, the Russian ruble, which Biden gladly mocked back in February, has since risen to a seven-year high against the euro.

Thinly traded markets are easily manipulated.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Putin has no way of artificially supporting the Ruble.

Why do you feel that?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The opposite, Russia and China are turning the US into a pariah state by allying with the countries that you scrwed over. The Kissinger era policies are the reason why countries like Iran, Syria and South Africa are Major allies of Russia when they used to be pro US.

Terror supporting shitholes gotta stick together, eh comrade?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Lol. You don’t know shit. Unlike our corrupt government officials and the Fed, Putin has no way of artificially supporting the Ruble.

Of course he does. Russian citizens may not convert their rubles into dollars or euros and Russia demands payment for Russian gas, thus artificially supporting the ruble. The strength of the ruble is not the result of a strong Russian economy. In fact, the Russian PM said recently the Russian economy is in decline because of the sanctions, but claimed the situation is not yet critical.

Russian PM Admits Economy Has Suffered 'Certain Slump' From Sanctions

The Russian economy saw a downtrend in the weeks following its invasion of Ukraine, with many foreign multinational companies pulling out of the country.

www.ibtimes.com

In addition, the economy is under such strain because of the war that the Duma is passing a bill giving the Russian government to seize whatever it needs from businesses to support the war.

"Russian lawmakers on Tuesday gave the first stamp of approval to two bills that would authorize the government to oblige businesses to supply the military with goods and their employees to work overtime to support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told parliament the moves were driven by the need to support the military at a time when Russia’s economy was under “colossal sanctions pressure” from the West, more than four months into what it calls its special military operation in Ukraine."

Russian parliament passes first vote on war economy measures

Russian lawmakers on Tuesday gave the first stamp of approval to two bills that would authorize the government to oblige businesses to supply the military

english.alarabiya.net

 

[JohnDB]

Of course he does. Russian citizens may not convert their rubles into dollars or euros and Russia demands payment for Russian gas, thus artificially supporting the ruble. The strength of the ruble is not the result of a strong Russian economy. In fact, the Russian PM said recently the Russian economy is in decline because of the sanctions, but claimed the situation is not yet critical.

Russian PM Admits Economy Has Suffered 'Certain Slump' From Sanctions

The Russian economy saw a downtrend in the weeks following its invasion of Ukraine, with many foreign multinational companies pulling out of the country.

www.ibtimes.com

In addition, the economy is under such strain because of the war that the Duma is passing a bill giving the Russian government to seize whatever it needs from businesses to support the war.

"Russian lawmakers on Tuesday gave the first stamp of approval to two bills that would authorize the government to oblige businesses to supply the military with goods and their employees to work overtime to support Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov told parliament the moves were driven by the need to support the military at a time when Russia’s economy was under “colossal sanctions pressure” from the West, more than four months into what it calls its special military operation in Ukraine."

Russian parliament passes first vote on war economy measures

Russian lawmakers on Tuesday gave the first stamp of approval to two bills that would authorize the government to oblige businesses to supply the military

english.alarabiya.net

Those orders are for Atlantis....(the mythical factories there)

Because parts for tanks, aircraft, artillery and trucks are just like everyone else...they come from everywhere.

Russia doesn't have much of even a steel industry anymore. Between Switzerland, Ukraine, Czech And Slovakia....that's most of the steel producers....and they destroyed the steel plant in Ukraine. Ukraine produces vanadium (element in tool steel) and Uranium (fuel for Nuke plants) and Chernobyl....

Russia doesn't produce vehicles...they tried and have failed. What they gonna do for trucks? Parts are all imported and nobody is shipping them any.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Those orders are for Atlantis....(the mythical factories there)

Because parts for tanks, aircraft, artillery and trucks are just like everyone else...they come from everywhere.

Russia doesn't have much of even a steel industry anymore. Between Switzerland, Ukraine, Czech And Slovakia....that's most of the steel producers....and they destroyed the steel plant in Ukraine. Ukraine produces vanadium (element in tool steel) and Uranium (fuel for Nuke plants) and Chernobyl....

Russia doesn't produce vehicles...they tried and have failed. What they gonna do for trucks? Parts are all imported and nobody is shipping them any.

Maybe Russia can start building Trabants?

 

[para bellum]

The question on my mind is this- Where will Russia relocate the Baltic Fleet?

 

[gipper]

The question on my mind is this- Where will Russia relocate the Baltic Fleet?

Why would they do that?