Trust but verify

[OODA_Loop]

Your a poopy head.

You're not your.

 

[Chuz Life]

Supposedly so. At least under age girls.


I don't know. Do you? Why would someone that rich leave evidence laying around? And if there is evidence, wouldn't some of the victims who were there be the most likely repository? And they have had years to file charges; where are those cases? And those girls were there; were you there?


What videos? Because you have a photo of some cassette tapes? How do you know what is on them? And if these were rich and famous people, don't you think the girls who were there would know who they were and be able to name names?

I don't have time to waste on gaslighting like this. Maxwell is in prison for her role in the Epstein rapes and trafficking. Many victims have (or at least tried) to come forward.

Additionally, many GOP leaders have called for more transparency AND criminal investigations, releasing of the evidence etc. Including Bondi, J.D. Vance, and many many others.

https://x.com/i/grok/share/pxEczWC84QCx7ec4sAuKvau3Y

 

[toobfreak]

I don't have time to waste on gaslighting like this.

No gaslighting, just presenting both sides of the issue.

Maxwell is in prison for her role in the Epstein rapes and trafficking. Many victims have (or at least tried) to come forward. Additionally, many GOP leaders have called for more transparency AND criminal investigations, releasing of the evidence etc. Including Bondi, J.D. Vance, and many many others.

Right. And all I'm saying is that victims have tried to advance the case since the 1990s just as your link says, and all of it has gone exactly NO WHERE.

So yell at Trump, yell at the clouds if you want, but there is obviously something HUGE holding this investigation back. I will be interested now to see if anything finally cracks in the case.

 

[Chuz Life]

No gaslighting, just presenting both sides of the issue.


Right. And all I'm saying is that victims have tried to advance the case since the 1990s just as your link says, and all of it has gone exactly NO WHERE.

So yell at Trump, yell at the clouds if you want, but there is obviously something HUGE holding this investigation back. I will be interested now to see if anything finally cracks in the case.

I can't tell from your comments if you are hoping (wanting) for me to ignore any and all the crumbs that may also implicate Trump himself.

I voted for Trump. I appreciate so many of the things he has done so far and I hope he's around for his full term and then we have a chance to elect Vance.

That said, if he is actually guilty of child molestation, trafficking or even if he has allowed the office of the Presidency to be corrupted by it? That would be the end of my support for him. Period.

MAGA is bigger than Trump.

 

[toobfreak]

I can't tell from your comments if you are hoping (wanting) for me to ignore any and all the crumbs that may also implicate Trump himself. I voted for Trump. I appreciate so many of the things he has done so far and I hope he's around for his full term and then we have a chance to elect Vance.

That said, if he is actually guilty of child molestation, trafficking or even if he has allowed the office of the Presidency to be corrupted by it? That would be the end of my support for him. Period. MAGA is bigger than Trump.

This has nothing to do with Trump. Don't you think that if there was evidence to hang Trump for rape or pedophilia that the democrats would have exploited it? And if Trump were guilty, then why would he run on exposing the tapes?

All I'm saying here is to restrain our wild leaps of presumption until more facts come out, that until we have hard evidence on the table, all of this is just speculation and inference. Apparently they have enough to hold Maxwell on, but not enough to charge anyone else, except Jeff, and he is dead.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

MAGA would try to find a new Trump and wither away.

 

[The Duke]

Note how Dumald isn't demanding proof be produced by Murdoch?

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Retard, if Trump was in there in any kind of way they would have put him in prison for it already, you ******* idiot.
Obviously there wasn't because they had to make up some other bullshit. Dumbass!

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Something is foul in the WH.

Release all the fails. That they won't is guilt written large.

 

[The Duke]

The only grand jury testimony will be the evidence the prosecutor had against Epstein to convince them to indict.

That's it. That's what grand juries do.

Trump is depending on his cult being ignorant of that fact and bleeving he is being transparent.

You're right about that, and that's what's going to get released today. The unbolded, notsomuch.

 

[The Duke]

No gaslighting, just presenting both sides of the issue.


Right. And all I'm saying is that victims have tried to advance the case since the 1990s just as your link says, and all of it has gone exactly NO WHERE.

So yell at Trump, yell at the clouds if you want, but there is obviously something HUGE holding this investigation back. I will be interested now to see if anything finally cracks in the case.

90s? It's gotta be Bubba and the woman that wanted to ride him to power. It cain't be nobody else.
Her and Huma and Bezos and that Podesta asshole are pretty sick.

 

[Chuz Life]

This has nothing to do with Trump. Don't you think that if there was evidence to hang Trump for rape or pedophilia that the democrats would have exploited it? And if Trump were guilty, then why would he run on exposing the tapes?

All I'm saying here is to restrain our wild leaps of presumption until more facts come out, that until we have hard evidence on the table, all of this is just speculation and inference. Apparently they have enough to hold Maxwell on, but not enough to charge anyone else, except Jeff, and he is dead.

We are all free to follow our noses and guts.

Several reasons for why the Dimz didn't release the evidence to take Trump down have been provided by others, already. Shared involvement, national security, global economy etc.

The thing is - None of those compel me to give ANYONE who may be implicated, a free pass.

 

[toobfreak]

We are all free to follow our noses and guts. Several reasons for why the Dimz didn't release the evidence to take Trump down have been provided by others, already. Shared involvement, national security, global economy etc. The thing is - None of those compels me to give ANYONE who may be implicated, a free pass.

All fair points, just that, other than Maxwell and Epstein, we don't know who we are giving any free passes to. And if there was actionable proof against Trump, don't you think democrats would have used it? They've had ten years to do so.

 

[Chuz Life]

All fair points, just that, other than Maxwell and Epstein, we don't know who we are giving any free passes to. And if there was actionable proof against Trump, don't you think democrats would have used it? They've had ten years to do so.

I thought I had answered this - let me make it clear.

If Epstein's operation was to corrupt world leaders indiscriminately, it is PLAUSIBLE that they couldn't release the evidence on Trump without throwing themselves under the bus as well. (and vice versa)

When you consider that even members of the Royal family were associated with Epstein's operation, it's not that hard to imagine that he had enough dirt on all of them for blackmail or any other kind of manipulation.

 

[yidnar]

Note how Dumald isn't demanding proof be produced by Murdoch?

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why would Trump order the release of the Grand Jury info if he's afraid of what's in it ? another dem claim and hope of "we got em this time" fails ! how does it feel to be proven wrong time and time again ?

 

[yidnar]

It's just... this does keep me up at night. This needs a resolution, and the victims need justice!

Get it done, damn it! Stop stalling!

they're getting it done ! and they have to vet those that did bad things and those that may have had coffee with Epstein at a legitimate business meeting .. it takes time .. the Grand Jury info and evidence is the most telling and transparent info ever released on the matter ..

 

[yidnar]

There are also flight records of Trump trips on Epstein's jet on several occasions.

correct .. Epstein was a financier that actually did legitimate business with many people .. the flight logs aren't proof of anything .. witness testimony and evidence acquired by the Grand Jury will probably reveal more about what happened than anything else ..

 

[yidnar]

The FBI found two hidden cameras in Epstein's apartment.

I think they found some on his island as well.

that could be part of the info Grand Jury release .

 

[yidnar]

The only grand jury testimony will be the evidence the prosecutor had against Epstein to convince them to indict.

That's it. That's what grand juries do.

Trump is depending on his cult being ignorant of that fact and bleeving he is being transparent.

much much more info than the Dems released in the 4 yrs they held power .

 

[Zincwarrior]

much much more info than the Dems released in the 4 yrs they held power .

Focus on the now. Why is Trump protecting pedos?

 

[yidnar]

I can't tell from your comments if you are hoping (wanting) for me to ignore any and all the crumbs that may also implicate Trump himself.

I voted for Trump. I appreciate so many of the things he has done so far and I hope he's around for his full term and then we have a chance to elect Vance.

That said, if he is actually guilty of child molestation, trafficking or even if he has allowed the office of the Presidency to be corrupted by it? That would be the end of my support for him. Period.

MAGA is bigger than Trump.

Trump isn't implicated .. the Biden admin had all the info and evidence for 4 yrs .. do you honestly believe they would have withheld evidence incriminating Trump ! after all they spent 4 yrs trying to imprison him on BS ..