Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[dblack]

I'm not a fan of illegal immigrants but they are not thieves. The lawbreakers who hire them are the anti-American thieves. Obviously, employers who hire illegals are the real core of the problem. It would be a whole lot cheaper to bring the hammer down on the employers of illegals than to build a wall.

There you go. Democrats and Republicans are equally jazzed about the iron fist of government. They just have different targets in mind.

 

[Crixus]

So... Here is Trump's deal (one I predicted before Trump negotiated it BTW):

* ONE THIRD of the undocumented foreigners will have a path to citizenship

* The wall will not affect 46 percent of the undocumented foreigners that come here through legal means and then never leave

* So, once you subtract the alleged costs of 76 percent of the undocumented population, the wall becomes more expensive than any proposed benefit

* The anti-immigrant lobby likes to dwell on the alleged "costs" of undocumented foreigners being here. Their accounting is highly dishonest for an accounting ledger has two sides. Nobody has posted the amount of taxes the undocumented foreigner pays NOR, more importantly how much money they generate by producing more work for less money

* Presupposing that a wall is erected and you give a third of those undocumented foreigners a pathway to citizenship, it will leave the door open for their families to come here.

Oh, the right will claim that Trump is saying that parents of Dreamers and so forth will not qualify as people that come here, but don't forget that the United States Supreme Court will weigh in. Of the NINE Justices, you have six Catholics and three Jews. There is no way in Hell that the Court is going to allow the government to separate families over a federal civil misdemeanor like improper entry.

* We are nearing statistical zero unemployment, thereby negating any need for a wall

* AFTER you've paid for the wall and the Dreamers and their families become Democrats, they will undo all of that effort and the wall will become irrelevant... So, why the wall?

With the wall comes armed drones and drones with cameras along with an army of ninja clad federal mercenaries that won't go away just because the wall becomes irrelevant. And so there will come a ONE WORLD POLICE FORCE with the tools and manpower to watch every American 24 / 7 / 365 and jeopardize every Liberty our forefathers fought, bled and died in order to secure.

You don't get to add the people given amnesty to the yearly total, moron. That's a one time deal.The wall will take care of 60% of the yearly total, and that's well worth it. That will ensure we don't ever have to grant an amnesty again, which is precisely why youre against it. You're just another open-borders douchebag.

Your fantasies about what the wall leads to are hilarious, to say the least. Where has this ever happened?

There is a village somehere missing its idiot.

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

 

[Crixus]

I propose Trump do like he said he would do and like you specifically l said he would do and not promis amnesty after saying “no amnesty “ to get elected. Keep on, many remember your tantrums when they said amnesty was coming. When you get onboard with amnesty sweety?

So... Here is Trump's deal (one I predicted before Trump negotiated it BTW):

* ONE THIRD of the undocumented foreigners will have a path to citizenship

* The wall will not affect 46 percent of the undocumented foreigners that come here through legal means and then never leave

* So, once you subtract the alleged costs of 76 percent of the undocumented population, the wall becomes more expensive than any proposed benefit

* The anti-immigrant lobby likes to dwell on the alleged "costs" of undocumented foreigners being here. Their accounting is highly dishonest for an accounting ledger has two sides. Nobody has posted the amount of taxes the undocumented foreigner pays NOR, more importantly how much money they generate by producing more work for less money

* Presupposing that a wall is erected and you give a third of those undocumented foreigners a pathway to citizenship, it will leave the door open for their families to come here.

Oh, the right will claim that Trump is saying that parents of Dreamers and so forth will not qualify as people that come here, but don't forget that the United States Supreme Court will weigh in. Of the NINE Justices, you have six Catholics and three Jews. There is no way in Hell that the Court is going to allow the government to separate families over a federal civil misdemeanor like improper entry.

* We are nearing statistical zero unemployment, thereby negating any need for a wall

* AFTER you've paid for the wall and the Dreamers and their families become Democrats, they will undo all of that effort and the wall will become irrelevant... So, why the wall?

With the wall comes armed drones and drones with cameras along with an army of ninja clad federal mercenaries that won't go away just because the wall becomes irrelevant. And so there will come a ONE WORLD POLICE FORCE with the tools and manpower to watch every American 24 / 7 / 365 and jeopardize every Liberty our forefathers fought, bled and died in order to secure.

You don't get to add the people given amnesty to the yearly total, moron. That's a one time deal.The wall will take care of 60% of the yearly total, and that's well worth it. That will ensure we don't ever have to grant an amnesty again, which is precisely why youre against it. You're just another open-borders douchebag.

Your fantasies about what the wall leads to are hilarious, to say the least. Where has this ever happened?

There is a village somehere missing its idiot.

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

So what’s the vetting process the Donald will use to temper his amnesty so that no bad guys get amnesty? I say deport all Dreamers who have any legal issues, Or dropped out of high schoolers that would get rid of 2/3’s of them.

 

[beagle9]

You think Trump's base of populist sheep are the" American People"

They are, snowflake. Dumbocrats vote with illegal aliens and dead people. Republicans vote with Americans.

Russian hackers aren't Americans.

No they are not - but that doesn’t stop the Dumbocrats from employing them to help them win elections.​

You silly MF you know damn well what I meant. And so does Robert Mueller. Trump wanted to fire "the terminator" but his wiser staff advised him against it because that would be obstruction. KIss my arse you POS.

. No cullusion, no case, and thus far no cullusion. So how long do you figure that the taxpayers should be taken on this rollercoaster ride ?? Remember you are defending a case that even the compromised FBI agents have said that "there is no there, there". If anything a case is building in the other direction, but Bob Mueller doesn't need to be the one residing over that case, because he has been compromised in the alledged cullusion case.

 

[danielpalos]

Yeah, we should just call it a defeat. There is nothing that can be done, just let the 3rd world hordes invade and take over, they will find a way anyway. Laws should not even be attempted to be enforced as the criminals will find a way anyway.

Or just maybe, the wall will actually drastically reduce illegal immigration. Sure those with resources can find a way to get in, but guess what, that eliminates a lot of illegal immigration.

Okay, I know i have to talk to conservatives like they are retards, but...

Let's say you are having a problem with mice. You are having a problem with mice because you have a big old chuck of delicious cheese in the middle of your kitchen. That's why you have a problem with mice.

NOW- you can try to make the doors tougher, plug up every nook and crany in the foundation, but guess what, buddy, you are still going to have a mouse problem. Because as long as you have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in!

Now, we are having a problem with undocumented labor. The reason why we are having a problem is because we have a bunch of jobs that Americans don't want to do, that pay a lot better than jobs in Mexico.

So we can try to plug up the border, but as long as we have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in. And an undocumented worker is a lot more resourceful than a mouse.

The simple solution would be to enforce workplace compliance to make sure no one is hiring illegals. That will probably mean costs of services and goods will shoot straight up because Americans still won't want to pick lettuce or clean up other people's puke and shit for a living.

Or we can just accept that we've always had a need for unskilled labor to do undesirable jobs, and craft our policy in a way to control it.

Yes, America is great nation, and everyone wants to get in. Just as our fridges are full of goodies from a mouse's perspective.

The solution: A wall.

Your "solution": Give up, they are going to get our goods anyway so why resist. What a tard... I would rather get a mouse trap unlike you as an insane person.

Just let thieves thieve too, they are going to get what they want anyway so might as well not have any restrictions or laws.

The problem is that right wing solutions are nothing but socialism on a national basis, instead of the fine Capital plans they should have.

We have a Commerce Clause.

Right wing policies are instituted to benefit the wealthy and they throw a bone with not much meat on it to their sheep to quiet them

With alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror?

 

[beagle9]

You don't get to add the people given amnesty to the yearly total, moron. That's a one time deal.The wall will take care of 60% of the yearly total, and that's well worth it. That will ensure we don't ever have to grant an amnesty again, which is precisely why youre against it. You're just another open-borders douchebag.

Your fantasies about what the wall leads to are hilarious, to say the least. Where has this ever happened?

There is a village somehere missing its idiot.

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

. Walls have worked all over the world in order to cover up the corruption within those very nations that built those walls.

Look, all that is needed is to enforce the laws here, take away the drugs incentives from the traffickers and dealers, seriously crack down on employers through audits, stiff fines and jail time, and go after slum lords who are providing shelter to illegals that is more than likely being subsidized through government housing subsidies etc.

Dry up the incentives, and dry up the problem. It's just that simple.

The problem is that we have way too many Americans profiting from the illegals, trafficking, and every other bad that goes along with the problem.

Yes, border security is essential, and listening to the people who know best (the border patrol), is also essential on securing the border.

Can you imagine how frustrating it must be to the border patrol when they enforce the border, and then the country is undermining their efforts as soon as they attempt to do the right thing ?? It's no different than undermining the law enforcement in high crime areas, where the law enforcement ends up backing off, and then throwing their hands in the air.... It's the same undermining taking place, and usually it's the do gooder liberals that are the culprits, but then they're are others doing it for profit.

 

[bripat9643]

That's because you are a snowflake moron. You don't see what you don't want to see. If walls didn't work, then you wouldn't care if Trump built one. The fact that they do work marvelously well is the reason you a whining like a little girl over the prospect of Trump building one.

Well, no, we don't want him building one because...

It makes us look like a really ugly people
It's going to cost a lot of money we could be spending on better things.
It's going to be really bad for the environment
It's going to require the government to seized the private land of lots of Americans to build it.

Bullshit
Bullshit
Bullshit
When did seizing property ever bother Democrats? The EPA does it all the time, and without compensation.

 

[bripat9643]

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

. Walls have worked all over the world in order to cover up the corruption within those very nations that built those walls.

Look, all that is needed is to enforce the laws here, take away the drugs incentives from the traffickers and dealers, seriously crack down on employers through audits, stiff fines and jail time, and go after slum lords who are providing shelter to illegals that is more than likely being subsidized through government housing subsidies etc.

Dry up the incentives, and dry up the problem. It's just that simple.

The problem is that we have way too many Americans profiting from the illegals, trafficking, and every other bad that goes along with the problem.

Yes, border security is essential, and listening to the people who know best (the border patrol), is also essential on securing the border.

Can you imagine how frustrating it must be to the border patrol when they enforce the border, and then the country is undermining their efforts as soon as they attempt to do the right thing ?? It's no different than undermining the law enforcement in high crime areas, where the law enforcement ends up backing off, and then throwing their hands in the air.... It's the same undermining taking place, and usually it's the do gooder liberals that are the culprits, but then they're are others doing it for profit.

It's already against the law for employers to hire illegals, so your proposed solution obviously does't work. You see, you solution depends on Democrat bureaucrats and politicians to do their jobs, and that is never going to happen. The wall doesn't depend that.

The border patrol supports the wall. Why don't you listen to them?

 

[bripat9643]

Says the man who claimed President Trump would “never” get elected...

The people voted against him. He didn't get "elected".

Yes he did, dumbass. According to the rules, he was elected. You don't get to change the rules after the fact.

 

[JQPublic1]

Yeah, we should just call it a defeat. There is nothing that can be done, just let the 3rd world hordes invade and take over, they will find a way anyway. Laws should not even be attempted to be enforced as the criminals will find a way anyway.

Or just maybe, the wall will actually drastically reduce illegal immigration. Sure those with resources can find a way to get in, but guess what, that eliminates a lot of illegal immigration.

Okay, I know i have to talk to conservatives like they are retards, but...

Let's say you are having a problem with mice. You are having a problem with mice because you have a big old chuck of delicious cheese in the middle of your kitchen. That's why you have a problem with mice.

NOW- you can try to make the doors tougher, plug up every nook and crany in the foundation, but guess what, buddy, you are still going to have a mouse problem. Because as long as you have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in!

Now, we are having a problem with undocumented labor. The reason why we are having a problem is because we have a bunch of jobs that Americans don't want to do, that pay a lot better than jobs in Mexico.

So we can try to plug up the border, but as long as we have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in. And an undocumented worker is a lot more resourceful than a mouse.

The simple solution would be to enforce workplace compliance to make sure no one is hiring illegals. That will probably mean costs of services and goods will shoot straight up because Americans still won't want to pick lettuce or clean up other people's puke and shit for a living.

Or we can just accept that we've always had a need for unskilled labor to do undesirable jobs, and craft our policy in a way to control it.

Yes, America is great nation, and everyone wants to get in. Just as our fridges are full of goodies from a mouse's perspective.

The solution: A wall.

Your "solution": Give up, they are going to get our goods anyway so why resist. What a tard... I would rather get a mouse trap unlike you as an insane person.

Just let thieves thieve too, they are going to get what they want anyway so might as well not have any restrictions or laws....or walls which the Clinton's chose to deal with that problem.

I'm not a fan of illegal immigrants but they are not thieves. The lawbreakers who hire them are the anti-American thieves. Obviously, employers who hire illegals are the real core of the problem. It would be a whole lot cheaper to bring the hammer down on the employers of illegals than to build a wall.

I agree they are not thieves, although they have still committed a crime. I am making fun of JQPublic's far left way of problem solving, which if you extended to anything else, it would become obvious how retarded it is.

Although he probably advocates not having locked doors, burglar alarms or other protections. Most likely not because he believes they don't work, he just sides with thieves and illegals over honest hard working Americans. It's the far left way.

I don't consciously set out to push far left nor far right doctrine.I see myself as a pragmatic apolitical thinker. I am versatile enough to take a bit of conservative and liberal philosophy to construct my own unique worldview. I'm not a follower nor am I a person who does things just because everyone else does.
That being said, let's examine your bizarre narrative. You seem to have a problem with prosecuting employers who hire illegals. You are so disturbed by that prospect you say I'm retarded for mentioning it. Why is that? You aren't making any sense. Please elaborate if you can....

And while you're at it...explain the outlandish analogy you created out of thin air. You just agreed that illegal immigrants aren't thieves then you place the word thieves in your analogy. Stranger still is your flawed reasoning where you seemed to be comparing the security devices used to protect a fully enclosed structure (a home ) with a 2000 mi. linear barrier that does not fully enclose those it is supposed to protect..
A PEW poll shows that over 60% of Americans don't support dumb Donald's Folly.
It isn't that we are siding with illegals, we just believe the illegal immigrant problem extends far beyond Mexico. And we know that arresting and indicting those who hire illegals is a cheaper and more practical approach
that eliminates the incentive for illegals to come here.

I

 

[bripat9643]

So you are admitting they want to sabotage the wall. Only a scumbag traitor would admit such a thing, or do it.

I'm saying the wall won't work because you can dig under it, climb over it, bust holes into it, go around it, or just find another way to get in.

Low flying Cessna. Problem solved.

That's all been shown to be bullshit. Walls work everywhere they've been tried. That's the fact that you can't get around.

And you did say that Democrats would demolish the wall after it was built. You're a ******* traitor.

 

[bripat9643]

We spend $200 Billion a year fighting The Mexican Drug Cartels and Illegal Immigrants.

Build the damn wall and we actually save money.

Only if you believe in fake reality.

Because if you spend billions deporting every single undocumented but working family you not only have the costs of rounding up and deporting 13 million men women children to the other side of Trump's Great Hate Wall and supporting the 'already born here' orphans that you create, you also lose the economic gains to society plus the taxes they pay,

Building the HATE WALL will leave no cost savings impact on the millions already here. But it is supposedly the cost of that 13 million upon which the OP's $billions is based.

You have a very weak fake reality argument.

You should take it down. It is very stupid.

Rounding up the dreamers is a cost separate from the cost of building the wall. You can't knock the wall based on what it actually costs, so you try to change the terms of the debate to the cost of deporting illegal aliens, which is a separate issue.

There are no economic gains to me from illegal aliens. Only a few wealthy people benefit from having cheap servants.

 

[JQPublic1]

I'm not a fan of illegal immigrants but they are not thieves. The lawbreakers who hire them are the anti-American thieves. Obviously, employers who hire illegals are the real core of the problem. It would be a whole lot cheaper to bring the hammer down on the employers of illegals than to build a wall.

There you go. Democrats and Republicans are equally jazzed about the iron fist of government. They just have different targets in mind.

What iron fist? An iron fist was needed after Reagan opened the floodgates of illegal immigration when he was president. Thereafter, the cheap labor caused the iron fist to be replaced by kid gloves.

 

[postman]

Rounding up the dreamers is a cost separate from the cost of building the wall

And Trump said he would deport most of them within his first 100 days.

Since that hasn't happened within his first year, can we mark that down as another of Trumps 2,000+ lies.

 

[beagle9]

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

. Walls have worked all over the world in order to cover up the corruption within those very nations that built those walls.

Look, all that is needed is to enforce the laws here, take away the drugs incentives from the traffickers and dealers, seriously crack down on employers through audits, stiff fines and jail time, and go after slum lords who are providing shelter to illegals that is more than likely being subsidized through government housing subsidies etc.

Dry up the incentives, and dry up the problem. It's just that simple.

The problem is that we have way too many Americans profiting from the illegals, trafficking, and every other bad that goes along with the problem.

Yes, border security is essential, and listening to the people who know best (the border patrol), is also essential on securing the border.

Can you imagine how frustrating it must be to the border patrol when they enforce the border, and then the country is undermining their efforts as soon as they attempt to do the right thing ?? It's no different than undermining the law enforcement in high crime areas, where the law enforcement ends up backing off, and then throwing their hands in the air.... It's the same undermining taking place, and usually it's the do gooder liberals that are the culprits, but then they're are others doing it for profit.

It's already against the law for employers to hire illegals, so your proposed solution obviously does't work. You see, you solution depends on Democrat bureaucrats and politicians to do their jobs, and that is never going to happen. The wall doesn't depend that.

The border patrol supports the wall. Why don't you listen to them?

. Enforcement, enforcement, enforcement, enforcement... If no enforcement, then the wall will just be an obstruction to the viewing of the beautiful countryside.

 

[Humorme]

You don't get to add the people given amnesty to the yearly total, moron. That's a one time deal.The wall will take care of 60% of the yearly total, and that's well worth it. That will ensure we don't ever have to grant an amnesty again, which is precisely why youre against it. You're just another open-borders douchebag.

Your fantasies about what the wall leads to are hilarious, to say the least. Where has this ever happened?

There is a village somehere missing its idiot.

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

 

[Humorme]

You don't get to add the people given amnesty to the yearly total, moron. That's a one time deal.The wall will take care of 60% of the yearly total, and that's well worth it. That will ensure we don't ever have to grant an amnesty again, which is precisely why youre against it. You're just another open-borders douchebag.

Your fantasies about what the wall leads to are hilarious, to say the least. Where has this ever happened?

There is a village somehere missing its idiot.

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Anyone who thinks undocumented foreigners don't have Rights is ignorant of grade school civics. Besides, my argument is not about what Rights foreigners do or do not have. READ before you criticize.

 

[Humorme]

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

. Walls have worked all over the world in order to cover up the corruption within those very nations that built those walls.

Look, all that is needed is to enforce the laws here, take away the drugs incentives from the traffickers and dealers, seriously crack down on employers through audits, stiff fines and jail time, and go after slum lords who are providing shelter to illegals that is more than likely being subsidized through government housing subsidies etc.

Dry up the incentives, and dry up the problem. It's just that simple.

The problem is that we have way too many Americans profiting from the illegals, trafficking, and every other bad that goes along with the problem.

Yes, border security is essential, and listening to the people who know best (the border patrol), is also essential on securing the border.

Can you imagine how frustrating it must be to the border patrol when they enforce the border, and then the country is undermining their efforts as soon as they attempt to do the right thing ?? It's no different than undermining the law enforcement in high crime areas, where the law enforcement ends up backing off, and then throwing their hands in the air.... It's the same undermining taking place, and usually it's the do gooder liberals that are the culprits, but then they're are others doing it for profit.

You've pretty much answered your own question. Undocumented foreigners are here as a result of the free market. You want to live in a socialist shithole - so don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining.

 

[Humorme]

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

. Walls have worked all over the world in order to cover up the corruption within those very nations that built those walls.

Look, all that is needed is to enforce the laws here, take away the drugs incentives from the traffickers and dealers, seriously crack down on employers through audits, stiff fines and jail time, and go after slum lords who are providing shelter to illegals that is more than likely being subsidized through government housing subsidies etc.

Dry up the incentives, and dry up the problem. It's just that simple.

The problem is that we have way too many Americans profiting from the illegals, trafficking, and every other bad that goes along with the problem.

Yes, border security is essential, and listening to the people who know best (the border patrol), is also essential on securing the border.

Can you imagine how frustrating it must be to the border patrol when they enforce the border, and then the country is undermining their efforts as soon as they attempt to do the right thing ?? It's no different than undermining the law enforcement in high crime areas, where the law enforcement ends up backing off, and then throwing their hands in the air.... It's the same undermining taking place, and usually it's the do gooder liberals that are the culprits, but then they're are others doing it for profit.

It's already against the law for employers to hire illegals, so your proposed solution obviously does't work. You see, you solution depends on Democrat bureaucrats and politicians to do their jobs, and that is never going to happen. The wall doesn't depend that.

The border patrol supports the wall. Why don't you listen to them?

Nobody is required to obey an unconstitutional act. Jobs belong to the employer that created them. We aren't living in Hitler's reconstituted socialist utopia just yet... so that slavish "it's the law" pretext will only carry you so far.

 

[Humorme]

We spend $200 Billion a year fighting The Mexican Drug Cartels and Illegal Immigrants.

Build the damn wall and we actually save money.

Only if you believe in fake reality.

Because if you spend billions deporting every single undocumented but working family you not only have the costs of rounding up and deporting 13 million men women children to the other side of Trump's Great Hate Wall and supporting the 'already born here' orphans that you create, you also lose the economic gains to society plus the taxes they pay,

Building the HATE WALL will leave no cost savings impact on the millions already here. But it is supposedly the cost of that 13 million upon which the OP's $billions is based.

You have a very weak fake reality argument.

You should take it down. It is very stupid.

Rounding up the dreamers is a cost separate from the cost of building the wall. You can't knock the wall based on what it actually costs, so you try to change the terms of the debate to the cost of deporting illegal aliens, which is a separate issue.

There are no economic gains to me from illegal aliens. Only a few wealthy people benefit from having cheap servants.

You do not understand the economics of your own country.