Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[Liquid Reigns]

You've pretty much answered your own question. Undocumented foreigners are here as a result of the free market. You want to live in a socialist shithole - so don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining.

Illegals are here because most are nothing more than economic refugees, they can simply make more per hour, day, week, month, year, here than they can back home, all the while sending money back so that their family can be higher on the social ladder.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Nobody is required to obey an unconstitutional act. Jobs belong to the employer that created them. We aren't living in Hitler's reconstituted socialist utopia just yet... so that slavish "it's the law" pretext will only carry you so far.

If you believe the act is unconstitutional than take it to court, until then you are required to obey said law/act. Since you have yet to have done such, your ramblings amount to squat.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

You do not understand the economics of your own country.

You don't understand economics at all. SHRUG

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

Walls/fences seem to work where ever they are implemented. SHRUG

 

[beagle9]

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

 

[beagle9]

Arizona is in need of heavier enforcement including an upgraded barrier/wall/fence from what I heard. My family member told me that she has a friend living in Arizona near the border, and she said her friend when moved there purchased a home in a very good neighborhood, but after the Mexicans started flooding in she had to put bars on her windows and doors, and video cams on the premises. She said they have gangs now, and she is stuck in a situation that she can't get out of due her elderly age now. Her property has devalued so badly, that she has lost just about all of her investments in the community over the years.

Now this bullcrap had a starting point, and it has had enablers, and it has a way to aquire an assessment of the damages to be evaluated by the right people, but all this is being ignored by political advocates of open borders, and people with a dam anti-American agenda.

 

[Crixus]

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Way out of context, but you do know some Jews over there got a wall that works now right? Is it because Gawdah, is on there side? You think God likes mexicans more then Jews?

 

[beagle9]

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Way out of context, but you do know some Jews over there got a wall that works now right? Is it because Gawdah, is on there side? You think God likes mexicans more then Jews?

. What kind of blabbering you got going on in your post ? I just said that Israel had a wall, but the wall is useless without the enforcement aspect of it all... We don't have the enforcement attitude here, and if we can't find that attitude, then a wall will be useless unless we think that it can somehow operate on it's own like a driverless car etc. The Jews have the right attitude, and the enforcement will.

 

[Bush92]

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall and the cost of illegal immigration. Here's a more credible examination of the facts.

Trump's Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year—Do The Math | National Economics Editorial​

President Donald Trump announced that he will fulfill his campaign promise to build a nearly 2,000 mile long wall (not a fence) along America’s southern border with Mexico.

The idea is that a physical barrier will act as a low-cost deterrent, and will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants entering America via Mexico—the hope is that once an illegal alien (particularly a criminal migrant) is deported, they won’t return.

The plan is simple and time-tested—China’s Great Wall did it’s job, so did Hadrian’s Wall in Roman Britain—and yet it’s come under fire from the mainstream media.

They claim that the wall will be prohibitively expensive, that illegal immigrants contribute to America’s economy (so there’s no reason to deport them), and that the wall won’t work.

They’re factually wrong on all accounts—let’s look at the numbers.

How Much Will Trump’s Wall Cost? $21.6 Billion.
The first question we must address is very straightforward: how much would it cost to build a wall along the Mexican border?

We don’t know for sure (construction costs rarely align with initial estimates), but we have a few good estimates.

Senate leader Mitch McConnell said Congress estimates the wall will cost $15 billion at most—he said it would likely fall within a range of $12 to $15 billion.

However, according to more recent information acquired by Reuters, the border wall will cost $21.6 billion, and will take roughly 3.5 years to build. This is according to a document from the Department of Homeland Security.

It’s probably our best current estimate, and this article will proceed under using this cost assumption.

On the high end (which can’t be totally discounted, given the nature of construction projects), the left-wing advocacy group cum “newspaper” the Huffington Post said the wall would cost roughly $40 billion. Their evidence is based on a study done by MIT (although their assumptions about the size and building materials may be why the projection is so high).

Either way, the cost of the wall pales in comparison to the cost of illegal immigrants in America.

. . . . . . . .​

Fuel and rounds for Apache attack helicopters even cheaper than that.

 

[Crixus]

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Way out of context, but you do know some Jews over there got a wall that works now right? Is it because Gawdah, is on there side? You think God likes mexicans more then Jews?

. What kind of blabbering you got going on in your post ? I just said that Israel had a wall, but the wall is useless without the enforcement aspect of it all... We don't have the enforcement attitude here, and if we can't find that attitude, then a wall will be useless unless we think that it can somehow operate on it's own like a driverless cars etc.

I know. It’s thenpot. Honestly, if we would just let the guys and gals who take care of this do their jobs with the laws we have now we would probably be good with just fixing up what we have now.

 

[JQPublic1]

Arizona is in need of heavier enforcement including an upgraded barrier/wall/fence from what I heard. My family member told me that she has a friend living in Arizona near the border, and she said her friend when moved there purchased a home in a very good neighborhood, but after the Mexicans started flooding in she had to put bars on her windows and doors, and video cams on the premises. She said they have gangs now, and she is stuck in a situation that she can't get out of due her elderly age now. Her property has devalued so badly, that she has lost just about all of her investments in the community over the years.

Now this bullcrap had a starting point, and it has had enablers, and it has a way to aquire an assessment of the damages to be evaluated by the right people, but all this is being ignored by political advocates of open borders, and people with a dam anti-American agenda.

You assume all the Mexicans flooding in are illegals. Are they? Could most be American citizens?

 

[JQPublic1]

You've pretty much answered your own question. Undocumented foreigners are here as a result of the free market. You want to live in a socialist shithole - so don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining.

Illegals are here because most are nothing more than economic refugees, they can simply make more per hour, day, week, month, year, here than they can back home, all the while sending money back so that their family can be higher on the social ladder.

So why do our " patriotic" employers hire illegals? Obviously they have no sense of loyalty to the native American labor force.
One answer to that question is quite sobering.
Cheap labor is essential to keeping food prices low. We have addressed that reality by issuing seasonal work visas to migrants looking to pick fruit and work the farms.
At least there is some measure of control there...

 

[Liquid Reigns]

So why do our " patriotic" employers hire illegals? Obviously they have no sense of loyalty to the native American labor force.
One answer to that question is quite sobering.
Cheap labor is essential to keeping food prices low. We have addressed that reality by issuing seasonal work visas to migrants looking to pick fruit and work the farms.
At least there is some measure of control there...

When an illegal worker gives the employer the required I-9 documentation, how is the employer suppose to know the illegal is actually illegal?

Cheap labor is not essential to keeping food prices low, the increase cost of gasoline has a greater impact on the cost of your food then does field labor.

The H2A should be used much more.

 

[Humorme]

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Since you want to bring up history, America is blind to their history. It is my primary objection to the nutty wall idea.

The founders of this country believed America to be the New Jerusalem of the Bible (that city without walls.) Many a political speech has been made since 1630 and John Winthrop's City on a Hill sermon has been preached that reference that historic sermon.

Those who want to tamper with our history and our destiny are demanding something that will destroy our country. Those who want the wall only see it in terms of the dollars it takes the build the wall.... not the costs of manning and defending it. Worse, they are oblivious to the costs in terms of Liberties and Freedoms that will be forfeited.

 

[Humorme]

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.

Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.

. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.

Way out of context, but you do know some Jews over there got a wall that works now right? Is it because Gawdah, is on there side? You think God likes mexicans more then Jews?

I'd say God likes Mexicans better than Jews, but that's beside the point. How much "wall" do the Israelis have compared to what you're proposing?

How many Rights will the cost... the Fourth Amendment falling by the wayside along with private property Rights being axed are just for starters.

 

[Humorme]

You've pretty much answered your own question. Undocumented foreigners are here as a result of the free market. You want to live in a socialist shithole - so don't pee down my back and tell me it's raining.

Illegals are here because most are nothing more than economic refugees, they can simply make more per hour, day, week, month, year, here than they can back home, all the while sending money back so that their family can be higher on the social ladder.

So why do our " patriotic" employers hire illegals? Obviously they have no sense of loyalty to the native American labor force.
One answer to that question is quite sobering.
Cheap labor is essential to keeping food prices low. We have addressed that reality by issuing seasonal work visas to migrants looking to pick fruit and work the farms.
At least there is some measure of control there...

I've responded to this in hundreds of threads on this board. Let me make this clear to you:

NO American employer owes any of you a job. The greatest hallmark of our constitutional Republic is that of private property Rights. You can pass all the laws you like, but just as a singer owns the words they commit to paper when they write a song, the employer owns the job he / she creates. It's not yours to force employers to hire you for.

Once the employer does hire those you find objectionable, you have every RIGHT to boycott that business. NOBODY is twisting your arm and telling you to buy from Walmart. Walmart was convicted of hiring contractors that hire undocumented foreigners. So, if we use your analogy, YOU KNEW - or, at the least had a duty to know that Walmart used undocumented foreigners. So, if those foreigners "stole" your jobs, then you are guilty of receiving stolen property when you shop there. How far do you want to try and invoke unconstitutional laws when the solution is simple:

Let the free market work. You can shop at places that only hire Americans. Be responsible for yourself.

 

[Liquid Reigns]

Since you want to bring up history, America is blind to their history. It is my primary objection to the nutty wall idea.

The founders of this country believed America to be the New Jerusalem of the Bible (that city without walls.) Many a political speech has been made since 1630 and John Winthrop's City on a Hill sermon has been preached that reference that historic sermon.

Those who want to tamper with our history and our destiny are demanding something that will destroy our country. Those who want the wall only see it in terms of the dollars it takes the build the wall.... not the costs of manning and defending it. Worse, they are oblivious to the costs in terms of Liberties and Freedoms that will be forfeited.

John Winthrop preached in a 1630 sermon "A Model of Christian Charity" preached by Puritan John Winthrop while still aboard the ship Arbella. Winthrop admonished the future Massachusetts Bay colonists that their new community would be "as a city upon a hill", watched by the world—which became the ideal that the New England colonists placed upon their hilly capital city of Boston.[1] The Puritans' community in New England would set an example of communal charity, affection, and unity to the world or, if the Puritans failed to uphold their covenant of God, "we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world" of God's judgment. The sermon doesn't refer to the now US as being the New Jerusalem, it only refers to the Puritans colony as being a leading example of communal charity, affection, and unity to the world.

Those who try to re-write our history, /\/\/\/\/\, are the ones attempting to destroy our country. What liberties have you lost from immigration law, and how does the border wall effect you?

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I'd say God likes Mexicans better than Jews, but that's beside the point. How much "wall" do the Israelis have compared to what you're proposing?

How many Rights will the cost... the Fourth Amendment falling by the wayside along with private property Rights being axed are just for starters.

What rights as a US Citizen have you lost due to immigration law? Short answer = NONE. SHRUG

 

[Liquid Reigns]

I've responded to this in hundreds of threads on this board. Let me make this clear to you:

NO American employer owes any of you a job. The greatest hallmark of our constitutional Republic is that of private property Rights. You can pass all the laws you like, but just as a singer owns the words they commit to paper when they write a song, the employer owns the job he / she creates. It's not yours to force employers to hire you for.

Once the employer does hire those you find objectionable, you have every RIGHT to boycott that business. NOBODY is twisting your arm and telling you to buy from Walmart. Walmart was convicted of hiring contractors that hire undocumented foreigners. So, if we use your analogy, YOU KNEW - or, at the least had a duty to know that Walmart used undocumented foreigners. So, if those foreigners "stole" your jobs, then you are guilty of receiving stolen property when you shop there. How far do you want to try and invoke unconstitutional laws when the solution is simple:

Let the free market work. You can shop at places that only hire Americans. Be responsible for yourself.

And yet society limits whom the employer can hire, otherwise we would see sweatshops with 6 y.o. kids working their fingers to the bone.

Walmart was never convicted of hiring contractors that hire illegals. You claiming laws are unconstitutional, yet you have done nothing to challenge them in court to get them overturned.

 

[beagle9]

Arizona is in need of heavier enforcement including an upgraded barrier/wall/fence from what I heard. My family member told me that she has a friend living in Arizona near the border, and she said her friend when moved there purchased a home in a very good neighborhood, but after the Mexicans started flooding in she had to put bars on her windows and doors, and video cams on the premises. She said they have gangs now, and she is stuck in a situation that she can't get out of due her elderly age now. Her property has devalued so badly, that she has lost just about all of her investments in the community over the years.

Now this bullcrap had a starting point, and it has had enablers, and it has a way to aquire an assessment of the damages to be evaluated by the right people, but all this is being ignored by political advocates of open borders, and people with a dam anti-American agenda.

You assume all the Mexicans flooding in are illegals. Are they? Could most be American citizens?

. Not sure, but it sounded like it was mostly illegals by the way the border was included in the story as a means to stop the problem.