Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[dudmuck]

You think Trump's base of populist sheep are the" American People"

They are, snowflake. Dumbocrats vote with illegal aliens and dead people. Republicans vote with Americans.

You can't validate any of that and you know it.

You’re an idiot. And a partisan hack. And you know it.

1.8 Million Voters Are Dead (And Other Facts You Didn’t Know About Voter Fraud)

New Report Exposes Thousands of Illegal Votes in 2016 Election

"The Government Accountability Institute (GAI) is a conservative nonprofit investigative research organization located in Tallahassee, Florida. GAI was founded in 2012 by Peter Schweizer and Stephen Bannon with funding from Robert Mercer and family. Schweizer serves as the group's president."
GAI is basically same as breitbart.
Even Paul Ryan calls it out.

 

[Humorme]

And there you go. At least be big enough to admit that you got taken. That your anti Obama, your anti swamp savior turned out to be just another reptile preaching amnesty. After all the preaching here you are having to defend amnesty. Sad! Bigly!

Again: Tell us what you propose to put up for a vote in Congress. If you can't tell us what you want Congress to vote on, then shut the **** up.

I propose Trump do like he said he would do and like you specifically l said he would do and not promis amnesty after saying “no amnesty “ to get elected. Keep on, many remember your tantrums when they said amnesty was coming. When you get onboard with amnesty sweety?

So... Here is Trump's deal (one I predicted before Trump negotiated it BTW):

* ONE THIRD of the undocumented foreigners will have a path to citizenship

* The wall will not affect 46 percent of the undocumented foreigners that come here through legal means and then never leave

* So, once you subtract the alleged costs of 76 percent of the undocumented population, the wall becomes more expensive than any proposed benefit

* The anti-immigrant lobby likes to dwell on the alleged "costs" of undocumented foreigners being here. Their accounting is highly dishonest for an accounting ledger has two sides. Nobody has posted the amount of taxes the undocumented foreigner pays NOR, more importantly how much money they generate by producing more work for less money

* Presupposing that a wall is erected and you give a third of those undocumented foreigners a pathway to citizenship, it will leave the door open for their families to come here.

Oh, the right will claim that Trump is saying that parents of Dreamers and so forth will not qualify as people that come here, but don't forget that the United States Supreme Court will weigh in. Of the NINE Justices, you have six Catholics and three Jews. There is no way in Hell that the Court is going to allow the government to separate families over a federal civil misdemeanor like improper entry.

* We are nearing statistical zero unemployment, thereby negating any need for a wall

* AFTER you've paid for the wall and the Dreamers and their families become Democrats, they will undo all of that effort and the wall will become irrelevant... So, why the wall?

With the wall comes armed drones and drones with cameras along with an army of ninja clad federal mercenaries that won't go away just because the wall becomes irrelevant. And so there will come a ONE WORLD POLICE FORCE with the tools and manpower to watch every American 24 / 7 / 365 and jeopardize every Liberty our forefathers fought, bled and died in order to secure.

You don't get to add the people given amnesty to the yearly total, moron. That's a one time deal.The wall will take care of 60% of the yearly total, and that's well worth it. That will ensure we don't ever have to grant an amnesty again, which is precisely why youre against it. You're just another open-borders douchebag.

Your fantasies about what the wall leads to are hilarious, to say the least. Where has this ever happened?

There is a village somehere missing its idiot.

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

 

[bripat9643]

Because Mexicans can’t walk on water...

But they can float on rafts or rickety boats.

A risk that many will not be willing to take. And of those that do, a certain percentage will die trying. Of the percentage left after that, the majority will be caught by the coast guard or border patrol.

So what's new? Bodies are frequently being found along the southern border. Some illegals.get caught trying to cross over and and some get through. I don't see those dynamics changing much if illegals are forced to divert to seafaring or hitching rides as stowaways on ships. But we aren't just talking about Mexicans here. We are talking about illegal immigrants from around the world.

And refugees from Cuba are still welcomed with open arms...while Trump has tried to curb the trickle of Haitians brave enough to
head out to sea on rickety rafts and leaking biats.

That's because you are a snowflake moron. You don't see what you don't want to see. If walls didn't work, then you wouldn't care if Trump built one. The fact that they do work marvelously well is the reason you a whining like a little girl over the prospect of Trump building one.

I'm complaining abiut the wall because I think my tax dollars could be better spent on something of far more importance...like infrastructure and Obamacare

The voters overruled your opinion.

Sucks, don't it?

 

[bripat9643]

Again: Tell us what you propose to put up for a vote in Congress. If you can't tell us what you want Congress to vote on, then shut the **** up.

I propose Trump do like he said he would do and like you specifically l said he would do and not promis amnesty after saying “no amnesty “ to get elected. Keep on, many remember your tantrums when they said amnesty was coming. When you get onboard with amnesty sweety?

So... Here is Trump's deal (one I predicted before Trump negotiated it BTW):

* ONE THIRD of the undocumented foreigners will have a path to citizenship

* The wall will not affect 46 percent of the undocumented foreigners that come here through legal means and then never leave

* So, once you subtract the alleged costs of 76 percent of the undocumented population, the wall becomes more expensive than any proposed benefit

* The anti-immigrant lobby likes to dwell on the alleged "costs" of undocumented foreigners being here. Their accounting is highly dishonest for an accounting ledger has two sides. Nobody has posted the amount of taxes the undocumented foreigner pays NOR, more importantly how much money they generate by producing more work for less money

* Presupposing that a wall is erected and you give a third of those undocumented foreigners a pathway to citizenship, it will leave the door open for their families to come here.

Oh, the right will claim that Trump is saying that parents of Dreamers and so forth will not qualify as people that come here, but don't forget that the United States Supreme Court will weigh in. Of the NINE Justices, you have six Catholics and three Jews. There is no way in Hell that the Court is going to allow the government to separate families over a federal civil misdemeanor like improper entry.

* We are nearing statistical zero unemployment, thereby negating any need for a wall

* AFTER you've paid for the wall and the Dreamers and their families become Democrats, they will undo all of that effort and the wall will become irrelevant... So, why the wall?

With the wall comes armed drones and drones with cameras along with an army of ninja clad federal mercenaries that won't go away just because the wall becomes irrelevant. And so there will come a ONE WORLD POLICE FORCE with the tools and manpower to watch every American 24 / 7 / 365 and jeopardize every Liberty our forefathers fought, bled and died in order to secure.

You don't get to add the people given amnesty to the yearly total, moron. That's a one time deal.The wall will take care of 60% of the yearly total, and that's well worth it. That will ensure we don't ever have to grant an amnesty again, which is precisely why youre against it. You're just another open-borders douchebag.

Your fantasies about what the wall leads to are hilarious, to say the least. Where has this ever happened?

There is a village somehere missing its idiot.

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

 

[bripat9643]

Not caring about people being horribly exploited so you can get cheap lettuce is why you are a total tool and a horrible person.

This imbecile doesn't seem to realize that we have a coast gaurd for a reason.

But there is no wall on the coastlines so why do we need one on the southern border? And the coastlines are even longer than the Southern border.

You can't be this stupid.

Oh...I'm not...when you grow up you will see that.

Your posts indicate otherwise.

Says the moron who supports a known pathological liar and possible Manchurian Candidate for president. Now THAT is the height of stupidity.

Do you actually believe anyone is falling for that horseshit? You voted for the most corrupt criminal ever to run for public office. She holds the record on taking bribes.

 

[P@triot]

You think Trump's base of populist sheep are the" American People"

They are, snowflake. Dumbocrats vote with illegal aliens and dead people. Republicans vote with Americans.

You can't validate any of that and you know it.

You’re an idiot. And a partisan hack. And you know it.

1.8 Million Voters Are Dead (And Other Facts You Didn’t Know About Voter Fraud)

New Report Exposes Thousands of Illegal Votes in 2016 Election

"The Government Accountability Institute (GAI) is a conservative nonprofit investigative research organization located in Tallahassee, Florida. GAI was founded in 2012 by Peter Schweizer and Stephen Bannon with funding from Robert Mercer and family. Schweizer serves as the group's president."
GAI is basically same as breitbart.
Even Paul Ryan calls it out.

When you can’t deny the message - attack the messenger. The left’s favorite idiotic tactic.

 

[dudmuck]

You think Trump's base of populist sheep are the" American People"

They are, snowflake. Dumbocrats vote with illegal aliens and dead people. Republicans vote with Americans.

You can't validate any of that and you know it.

You’re an idiot. And a partisan hack. And you know it.

1.8 Million Voters Are Dead (And Other Facts You Didn’t Know About Voter Fraud)

New Report Exposes Thousands of Illegal Votes in 2016 Election

"The Government Accountability Institute (GAI) is a conservative nonprofit investigative research organization located in Tallahassee, Florida. GAI was founded in 2012 by Peter Schweizer and Stephen Bannon with funding from Robert Mercer and family. Schweizer serves as the group's president."
GAI is basically same as breitbart.
Even Paul Ryan calls it out.

When you can’t deny the message - attack the messenger. The left’s favorite idiotic tactic.

Paul Ryan denied the message, and it went right over your head.

 

[P@triot]

Paul Ryan denied the message, and it went right over your head.

A politician denied something? Wow! You don’t say?

 

[regent]

I wonder how many American citizens today can trace their family back to immigrants. Probably the only ones that can't are the native Americans and ex-slaves?

 

[bripat9643]

I wonder how many American citizens today can trace their family back to immigrants. Probably the only ones that can't are the native Americans and ex-slaves?

So?

 

[JQPublic1]

You think Trump's base of populist sheep are the" American People"

They are, snowflake. Dumbocrats vote with illegal aliens and dead people. Republicans vote with Americans.

You can't validate any of that and you know it.

You’re an idiot. And a partisan hack. And you know it.

1.8 Million Voters Are Dead (And Other Facts You Didn’t Know About Voter Fraud)

New Report Exposes Thousands of Illegal Votes in 2016 Election

Yet only a few people have been arrested for actual voter and some were Republicans.
There have been just four documented cases of voter fraud in the 2016 election

Here's what we found:



Cases of voter fraud


A woman in Iowa who voted twice. Terri Lynn Rote had the enormous misfortune of bad timing. Right as the candidate she supported, Trump, was drawing attention to fraud cases, Rote decided to try to vote twice in Des Moines, and got caught. The case made national headlines simply by virtue of the fact that it happened when it did, and that she voted for Trump.

 

[JQPublic1]

You think Trump's base of populist sheep are the" American People"

They are, snowflake. Dumbocrats vote with illegal aliens and dead people. Republicans vote with Americans.

Russian hackers aren't Americans.

No they are not - but that doesn’t stop the Dumbocrats from employing them to help them win elections.​

You silly MF you know damn well what I meant. And so does Robert Mueller. Trump wanted to fire "the terminator" but his wiser staff advised him against it because that would be obstruction. KIss my arse you POS.

 

[JQPublic1]

But they can float on rafts or rickety boats.

A risk that many will not be willing to take. And of those that do, a certain percentage will die trying. Of the percentage left after that, the majority will be caught by the coast guard or border patrol.

So what's new? Bodies are frequently being found along the southern border. Some illegals.get caught trying to cross over and and some get through. I don't see those dynamics changing much if illegals are forced to divert to seafaring or hitching rides as stowaways on ships. But we aren't just talking about Mexicans here. We are talking about illegal immigrants from around the world.

And refugees from Cuba are still welcomed with open arms...while Trump has tried to curb the trickle of Haitians brave enough to
head out to sea on rickety rafts and leaking biats.

That's because you are a snowflake moron. You don't see what you don't want to see. If walls didn't work, then you wouldn't care if Trump built one. The fact that they do work marvelously well is the reason you a whining like a little girl over the prospect of Trump building one.

I'm complaining abiut the wall because I think my tax dollars could be better spent on something of far more importance...like infrastructure and Obamacare

The voters overruled your opinion.

Sucks, don't it?

The voters? What voters? The minority 30% of voters helped by the Electoral College to overrule the majority? Yes, that does suck and change is needed. If the designation "American People" is to be used it ought to refer to the majority...not a minority of RW populist extremists who consort with the likes of Putin and Trump.

 

[JQPublic1]

But there is no wall on the coastlines so why do we need one on the southern border? And the coastlines are even longer than the Southern border.

You can't be this stupid.

Oh...I'm not...when you grow up you will see that.

Your posts indicate otherwise.

Says the moron who supports a known pathological liar and possible Manchurian Candidate for president. Now THAT is the height of stupidity.

Do you actually believe anyone is falling for that horseshit? You voted for the most corrupt criminal ever to run for public office. She holds the record on taking bribes.

You don't know who I voted for but that didn't stop you from lying as if you knew. You're just like your lying leader. And the way you've been hugging his testicles Trump damn sure is your leader.
But your personal indictment of Hillary is but a meaningless temporary diversion from the most diabolical fiend ever to occupy the White House. He may not be the devil but the devil is in him.

 

[JQPublic1]

You think Trump's base of populist sheep are the" American People"

They are, snowflake. Dumbocrats vote with illegal aliens and dead people. Republicans vote with Americans.

You can't validate any of that and you know it.

You’re an idiot. And a partisan hack. And you know it.

1.8 Million Voters Are Dead (And Other Facts You Didn’t Know About Voter Fraud)

New Report Exposes Thousands of Illegal Votes in 2016 Election

"The Government Accountability Institute (GAI) is a conservative nonprofit investigative research organization located in Tallahassee, Florida. GAI was founded in 2012 by Peter Schweizer and Stephen Bannon with funding from Robert Mercer and family. Schweizer serves as the group's president."
GAI is basically same as breitbart.
Even Paul Ryan calls it out.

When you can’t deny the message - attack the messenger. The left’s favorite idiotic tactic.

Hey dummy...Did you miss the part where Paul Ryan called out the source, too? You just can't bring your self to face the truth. You are a lost soul..seduced by the false promises of a demogogue...

 

[Humorme]

I propose Trump do like he said he would do and like you specifically l said he would do and not promis amnesty after saying “no amnesty “ to get elected. Keep on, many remember your tantrums when they said amnesty was coming. When you get onboard with amnesty sweety?

So... Here is Trump's deal (one I predicted before Trump negotiated it BTW):

* ONE THIRD of the undocumented foreigners will have a path to citizenship

* The wall will not affect 46 percent of the undocumented foreigners that come here through legal means and then never leave

* So, once you subtract the alleged costs of 76 percent of the undocumented population, the wall becomes more expensive than any proposed benefit

* The anti-immigrant lobby likes to dwell on the alleged "costs" of undocumented foreigners being here. Their accounting is highly dishonest for an accounting ledger has two sides. Nobody has posted the amount of taxes the undocumented foreigner pays NOR, more importantly how much money they generate by producing more work for less money

* Presupposing that a wall is erected and you give a third of those undocumented foreigners a pathway to citizenship, it will leave the door open for their families to come here.

Oh, the right will claim that Trump is saying that parents of Dreamers and so forth will not qualify as people that come here, but don't forget that the United States Supreme Court will weigh in. Of the NINE Justices, you have six Catholics and three Jews. There is no way in Hell that the Court is going to allow the government to separate families over a federal civil misdemeanor like improper entry.

* We are nearing statistical zero unemployment, thereby negating any need for a wall

* AFTER you've paid for the wall and the Dreamers and their families become Democrats, they will undo all of that effort and the wall will become irrelevant... So, why the wall?

With the wall comes armed drones and drones with cameras along with an army of ninja clad federal mercenaries that won't go away just because the wall becomes irrelevant. And so there will come a ONE WORLD POLICE FORCE with the tools and manpower to watch every American 24 / 7 / 365 and jeopardize every Liberty our forefathers fought, bled and died in order to secure.

You don't get to add the people given amnesty to the yearly total, moron. That's a one time deal.The wall will take care of 60% of the yearly total, and that's well worth it. That will ensure we don't ever have to grant an amnesty again, which is precisely why youre against it. You're just another open-borders douchebag.

Your fantasies about what the wall leads to are hilarious, to say the least. Where has this ever happened?

There is a village somehere missing its idiot.

. You speak as if the Demon-crats won't ever be in power again... To tackle the problem within this nation (that has truly caused this massive problem) is the best bet, and yes secure that border.

One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.

Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.

The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.

What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.

The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.

1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here

2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country

3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you

4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.

 

[P@triot]

I wonder how many American citizens today can trace their family back to immigrants.

The real question is - I wonder how many American citizens today can trace their family back to legal immigrants.

You can always count on regent to post the passive/aggressive partisan crap with a disingenuous twist. My favorite part about it is that he actually believes he’s being “clever” and “outwitting” everyone into buying into his nonsense.

He’s a clone of wrongwinger in that capacity. Neither can make a rational case yet both believe they are “clever” with their nonsense (wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they were the same person).

 

[P@triot]

Trump wanted to fire "the terminator" but his wiser staff advised him against it because that would be obstruction. KIss my arse you POS.

First of all - it doesn’t matter what President Trump wants. It only matters what he does. Did he fire Robert Mueller? Yes or No?

Second - it wouldn’t have been “obstruction of justice” you dumb, dimwit. Mueller would have been simply replaced and the investigation would have continued.

 

[P@triot]

You are a lost soul..seduced by the false promises of a demogogue...

Well...admitting you have a problem is the first step, JQ. You were seriously seduced by Obama (and you are definitely a lost soul).

 

[JQPublic1]

Trump wanted to fire "the terminator" but his wiser staff advised him against it because that would be obstruction. KIss my arse you POS.

First of all - it doesn’t matter what President Trump wants. It only matters what he does. Did he fire Robert Mueller? Yes or No?

Second - it wouldn’t have been “obstruction of justice” you dumb, dimwit. Mueller would have been simply replaced and the investigation would have continued.

The most conspicuous issue is Trump is on record as wanting to fire Mueller which gives us a peek into his demented guilt ridden mind. Why even ponder firing the special prosecutor unless you're hiding something and he's getting too damn close to finding what that is? I wish the dumb sonnova byatch
had fired Mueller. Do you even have a clue as to why?

I'll give you a clue...We've seen this picture before when Nixon fired the special counsel in the Watergate scandal investigation. Obviously you are completely clueless about that outcome. Your ignorance is still reverberating around the forum. Let me school your stupid arse:

After Nixon fired the special prosecutor it didn't end there like he thought it would. You see...the court and Congress had something to say about it.

A Federal district judge ruled the firing of the Watergate special prosecutor was illegal. Subsequently, the congressional judiciary commitee issued articles of impeachment charging Nixon with ...are your eyes open.?..if not open them wide...i don't want you to miss this... Nixon was charged with Obstrucion of Justice...among other things.

My point here is that Trump's mindset in wanting to fire Mueller appeared to reflect desperation like that exemplified by Nixon under similar circumstances. The only reasonTrump didn't fire Mueller is because his counselors threatened to walk out on him if he did. Apparently they hadn't forgotten what happened to Nixon.

So now, let's sit back and see what happens.
As for my personal assessment...I think Mueller is about to deflate the orange balloon you know as dumb Donald Trump.