Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[JQPublic1]

You are a lost soul..seduced by the false promises of a demogogue...

Well...admitting you have a problem is the first step, JQ. You were seriously seduced by Obama (and you are definitely a lost soul).

 

[whutTHEYsay]

bripat9643, post: 16874740

We've all heard the snowflake lies about the cost of the wall..

The wall is supposed to cost the American Federal taxpayer zero. So the only lies getting an assist by the OP is candidate Trumpo's huge lie that Mexico will be paying for the Great Hate Wall plus any suggestion or innuendo that Federal tax dollars go directly in huge sums to assist illegal immigrants is another lie.

The cited calculations by hate based conservative groups are lies since they are not factoring in the economic plus these working people bring to the economy.

Certain studies can be found that calculate illegal immigration presents a wash on the economy.

"After weighing the financial pros against the cons, she says the U.S. economy comes out slightly ahead due to the presence of illegal aliens."

Expensive Aliens: How Much Do Illegal Immigrants Really Cost?

According to the above linked report conservative hate groups don't calculate this windfall for Americans into to their hate calculations;

"At the same time, those whose jobs are paid legally – at least fifty percent, by some estimates – end up paying social security and other payroll taxes without ever collecting benefits. Since illegal immigrants are believed to constitute up to 5 percent of the U.S. economy, their tax contributions will mean a revenue windfall for legal residents."

And fancy this statistic:

"While the state and local tax contributions of undocumented immigrants vary by region, we found that undocumented immigrants nationwide pay on average 8% of their incomes in taxes to state and local governments. In contrast, the top 1% of taxpayers nationwide pay on average just 5.4%."

Undocumented immigrants pay up on Tax Day: Column

So if one third of undocumented working families own homes and most of the rest live somewhere paying rent it does not appear that hate based calculations include the income to realtors? grocery stores, banks, electric companies, trucking companies and on and on which income and sales are taxed.

They earn money and spend mony. The number cited in this OP is a bold faced lie just like Trumpo's promise that Mexico will pay for the wall.

Nice try to shift those lies into the left.

It won't work because it is fake reality.

 

[Norman]

So many illegals in the country.

Get them out already and build a wall to not have us end up in this situation again.

 

[Johann]

The wall won't do shit because most illegals are simply legal immigrants/visitors that overstay their Visa.

I voted for Trump but lets be real.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

We spend $200 Billion a year fighting The Mexican Drug Cartels and Illegal Immigrants.

Build the damn wall and we actually save money.

Only if you believe in fake reality.

Because if you spend billions deporting every single undocumented but working family you not only have the costs of rounding up and deporting 13 million men women children to the other side of Trump's Great Hate Wall and supporting the 'already born here' orphans that you create, you also lose the economic gains to society plus the taxes they pay,

Building the HATE WALL will leave no cost savings impact on the millions already here. But it is supposedly the cost of that 13 million upon which the OP's $billions is based.

You have a very weak fake reality argument.

You should take it down. It is very stupid.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

So many illegals in the country.

Get them out already and build a wall to not have us end up in this situation again.

Same goes for you. Unless you want mass deportations for other reasons than saving money,


NotfooledbyW, post: 19162436,

We spend $200 Billion a year fighting The Mexican Drug Cartels and Illegal Immigrants.

Build the damn wall and we actually save money.

Only if you believe in fake reality.

Because if you spend billions deporting every single undocumented but working family you not only have the costs of rounding up and deporting 13 million men women children to the other side of Trump's Great Hate Wall and supporting the 'already born here' orphans that you create, you also lose the economic gains to society plus the taxes they pay,

Building the HATE WALL will leave no cost savings impact on the millions already here. But it is supposedly the cost of that 13 million upon which the OP's $billions is based.

You have a very weak fake reality argument.

You should take it down. It is very stupid.

What is your motive. Pure law enforcement? You would deport Dreamers as well,

 

[bripat9643]

The wall won't do shit because most illegals are simply legal immigrants/visitors that overstay their Visa.

I voted for Trump but lets be real.

That's snowflake illegal alian lie #126. Overstays account for 40% of illegal aliens in the country. ICE has quoted this figure numerous times, but snowflakes like you keep bumping it up because they think no one will call them on it.

Solving 60% of the problem is solving most of it. Only a sleazy lying snowflake would claim that's not worth it.

 

[JoeB131]

That's because you are a snowflake moron. You don't see what you don't want to see. If walls didn't work, then you wouldn't care if Trump built one. The fact that they do work marvelously well is the reason you a whining like a little girl over the prospect of Trump building one.

Well, no, we don't want him building one because...

It makes us look like a really ugly people
It's going to cost a lot of money we could be spending on better things.
It's going to be really bad for the environment
It's going to require the government to seized the private land of lots of Americans to build it.

 

[JoeB131]

Says the man who claimed President Trump would “never” get elected...

The people voted against him. He didn't get "elected".

 

[JoeB131]

So you are admitting they want to sabotage the wall. Only a scumbag traitor would admit such a thing, or do it.

I'm saying the wall won't work because you can dig under it, climb over it, bust holes into it, go around it, or just find another way to get in.

Low flying Cessna. Problem solved.

 

[JoeB131]

The real question is - I wonder how many American citizens today can trace their family back to legal immigrants.

Distinction without a difference. Most of our history, you got here, you were a legal immigrant.

All my grandparents did was have to get on a boat from Germany. Oh, no one was happy to see German immigrants between two wars with Germany, but they had no problem getting in.

 

[Norman]

So you are admitting they want to sabotage the wall. Only a scumbag traitor would admit such a thing, or do it.

I'm saying the wall won't work because you can dig under it, climb over it, bust holes into it, go around it, or just find another way to get in.

Low flying Cessna. Problem solved.

Yeah, we should just call it a defeat. There is nothing that can be done, just let the 3rd world hordes invade and take over, they will find a way anyway. Laws should not even be attempted to be enforced as the criminals will find a way anyway.

Or just maybe, the wall will actually drastically reduce illegal immigration. Sure those with resources can find a way to get in, but guess what, that eliminates a lot of illegal immigration.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, we should just call it a defeat. There is nothing that can be done, just let the 3rd world hordes invade and take over, they will find a way anyway. Laws should not even be attempted to be enforced as the criminals will find a way anyway.

Or just maybe, the wall will actually drastically reduce illegal immigration. Sure those with resources can find a way to get in, but guess what, that eliminates a lot of illegal immigration.

Okay, I know i have to talk to conservatives like they are retards, but...

Let's say you are having a problem with mice. You are having a problem with mice because you have a big old chuck of delicious cheese in the middle of your kitchen. That's why you have a problem with mice.

NOW- you can try to make the doors tougher, plug up every nook and crany in the foundation, but guess what, buddy, you are still going to have a mouse problem. Because as long as you have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in!

Now, we are having a problem with undocumented labor. The reason why we are having a problem is because we have a bunch of jobs that Americans don't want to do, that pay a lot better than jobs in Mexico.

So we can try to plug up the border, but as long as we have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in. And an undocumented worker is a lot more resourceful than a mouse.

The simple solution would be to enforce workplace compliance to make sure no one is hiring illegals. That will probably mean costs of services and goods will shoot straight up because Americans still won't want to pick lettuce or clean up other people's puke and shit for a living.

Or we can just accept that we've always had a need for unskilled labor to do undesirable jobs, and craft our policy in a way to control it.

 

[eddiew37]

Republicans Mess with them ?
Koch Network Warns Trump Against ‘Arbitrary’ Immigration Cuts
By
John McCormick
January 27, 2018, 6:12 PM EST

• Influential group says immigrants are key to nation’s future
• Charles Koch has expressed strong support for the ‘dreamers’

The Koch political network on Saturday called on President Donald Trump and members of Congress to avoid any "arbitrary" reductions in immigration as part of negotiations over the future of undocumented "dreamers" brought to the U.S. as children.



“Immigrants are essential to the success of our country and addressing the plight of the dreamers is a top priority for this network," Brian Hooks, a senior official with the Koch organization, said in a statement. "We are committed to working with Congress and the White House to find a solution that does this without arbitrarily reducing the number of people who come here to contribute."



A statement from the group -- the most influential conservative organization outside the Republican Party -- was issued as hundreds of donors and potential donors gathered for a weekend summit at a desert resort near Palm Springs, California.



It was delivered following a proposal Thursday from the Trump administration that calls for a path to citizenship for as many as 1.8 million undocumented immigrants brought to the U.S. as children. But Trump also called for a reduction of legal immigration, as well as a $25 billion trust fund to pay for a southern border wall and other enhanced border security measures.



‘Moral Imperative’
A reduction in immigration runs counter to the views of the group’s top benefactors, billionaires Charles and David Koch. Charles Koch in December wrote an opinion piece with Apple Inc. Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook that said it was a "political, economic and moral imperative" to quickly help the young immigrants with a permanent solution so they can "plan their lives and develop their talents.”

Keeping the Kochs and their donors happy is important for the GOP in an election year

 

[Norman]

Yeah, we should just call it a defeat. There is nothing that can be done, just let the 3rd world hordes invade and take over, they will find a way anyway. Laws should not even be attempted to be enforced as the criminals will find a way anyway.

Or just maybe, the wall will actually drastically reduce illegal immigration. Sure those with resources can find a way to get in, but guess what, that eliminates a lot of illegal immigration.

Okay, I know i have to talk to conservatives like they are retards, but...

Let's say you are having a problem with mice. You are having a problem with mice because you have a big old chuck of delicious cheese in the middle of your kitchen. That's why you have a problem with mice.

NOW- you can try to make the doors tougher, plug up every nook and crany in the foundation, but guess what, buddy, you are still going to have a mouse problem. Because as long as you have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in!

Now, we are having a problem with undocumented labor. The reason why we are having a problem is because we have a bunch of jobs that Americans don't want to do, that pay a lot better than jobs in Mexico.

So we can try to plug up the border, but as long as we have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in. And an undocumented worker is a lot more resourceful than a mouse.

The simple solution would be to enforce workplace compliance to make sure no one is hiring illegals. That will probably mean costs of services and goods will shoot straight up because Americans still won't want to pick lettuce or clean up other people's puke and shit for a living.

Or we can just accept that we've always had a need for unskilled labor to do undesirable jobs, and craft our policy in a way to control it.

Yes, America is great nation, and everyone wants to get in. Just as our fridges are full of goodies from a mouse's perspective.

The solution: A wall.

Your "solution": Give up, they are going to get our goods anyway so why resist. What a tard... I would rather get a mouse trap unlike you as an insane person.

Just let thieves thieve too, they are going to get what they want anyway so might as well not have any restrictions or laws....or walls which the Clinton's chose to deal with that problem.

 

[danielpalos]

Upgrading infrastructure will require labor. And, improve the efficiency of our economy.

 

[danielpalos]

Yeah, we should just call it a defeat. There is nothing that can be done, just let the 3rd world hordes invade and take over, they will find a way anyway. Laws should not even be attempted to be enforced as the criminals will find a way anyway.

Or just maybe, the wall will actually drastically reduce illegal immigration. Sure those with resources can find a way to get in, but guess what, that eliminates a lot of illegal immigration.

Okay, I know i have to talk to conservatives like they are retards, but...

Let's say you are having a problem with mice. You are having a problem with mice because you have a big old chuck of delicious cheese in the middle of your kitchen. That's why you have a problem with mice.

NOW- you can try to make the doors tougher, plug up every nook and crany in the foundation, but guess what, buddy, you are still going to have a mouse problem. Because as long as you have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in!

Now, we are having a problem with undocumented labor. The reason why we are having a problem is because we have a bunch of jobs that Americans don't want to do, that pay a lot better than jobs in Mexico.

So we can try to plug up the border, but as long as we have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in. And an undocumented worker is a lot more resourceful than a mouse.

The simple solution would be to enforce workplace compliance to make sure no one is hiring illegals. That will probably mean costs of services and goods will shoot straight up because Americans still won't want to pick lettuce or clean up other people's puke and shit for a living.

Or we can just accept that we've always had a need for unskilled labor to do undesirable jobs, and craft our policy in a way to control it.

Yes, America is great nation, and everyone wants to get in. Just as our fridges are full of goodies from a mouse's perspective.

The solution: A wall.

Your "solution": Give up, they are going to get our goods anyway so why resist. What a tard... I would rather get a mouse trap unlike you as an insane person.

Just let thieves thieve too, they are going to get what they want anyway so might as well not have any restrictions or laws.

The problem is that right wing solutions are nothing but socialism on a national basis, instead of the fine Capital plans they should have.

We have a Commerce Clause.

 

[eddiew37]

Yeah, we should just call it a defeat. There is nothing that can be done, just let the 3rd world hordes invade and take over, they will find a way anyway. Laws should not even be attempted to be enforced as the criminals will find a way anyway.

Or just maybe, the wall will actually drastically reduce illegal immigration. Sure those with resources can find a way to get in, but guess what, that eliminates a lot of illegal immigration.

Okay, I know i have to talk to conservatives like they are retards, but...

Let's say you are having a problem with mice. You are having a problem with mice because you have a big old chuck of delicious cheese in the middle of your kitchen. That's why you have a problem with mice.

NOW- you can try to make the doors tougher, plug up every nook and crany in the foundation, but guess what, buddy, you are still going to have a mouse problem. Because as long as you have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in!

Now, we are having a problem with undocumented labor. The reason why we are having a problem is because we have a bunch of jobs that Americans don't want to do, that pay a lot better than jobs in Mexico.

So we can try to plug up the border, but as long as we have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in. And an undocumented worker is a lot more resourceful than a mouse.

The simple solution would be to enforce workplace compliance to make sure no one is hiring illegals. That will probably mean costs of services and goods will shoot straight up because Americans still won't want to pick lettuce or clean up other people's puke and shit for a living.

Or we can just accept that we've always had a need for unskilled labor to do undesirable jobs, and craft our policy in a way to control it.

Yes, America is great nation, and everyone wants to get in. Just as our fridges are full of goodies from a mouse's perspective.

The solution: A wall.

Your "solution": Give up, they are going to get our goods anyway so why resist. What a tard... I would rather get a mouse trap unlike you as an insane person.

Just let thieves thieve too, they are going to get what they want anyway so might as well not have any restrictions or laws.

The problem is that right wing solutions are nothing but socialism on a national basis, instead of the fine Capital plans they should have.

We have a Commerce Clause.

Right wing policies are instituted to benefit the wealthy and they throw a bone with not much meat on it to their sheep to quiet them

 

[JQPublic1]

Yeah, we should just call it a defeat. There is nothing that can be done, just let the 3rd world hordes invade and take over, they will find a way anyway. Laws should not even be attempted to be enforced as the criminals will find a way anyway.

Or just maybe, the wall will actually drastically reduce illegal immigration. Sure those with resources can find a way to get in, but guess what, that eliminates a lot of illegal immigration.

Okay, I know i have to talk to conservatives like they are retards, but...

Let's say you are having a problem with mice. You are having a problem with mice because you have a big old chuck of delicious cheese in the middle of your kitchen. That's why you have a problem with mice.

NOW- you can try to make the doors tougher, plug up every nook and crany in the foundation, but guess what, buddy, you are still going to have a mouse problem. Because as long as you have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in!

Now, we are having a problem with undocumented labor. The reason why we are having a problem is because we have a bunch of jobs that Americans don't want to do, that pay a lot better than jobs in Mexico.

So we can try to plug up the border, but as long as we have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in. And an undocumented worker is a lot more resourceful than a mouse.

The simple solution would be to enforce workplace compliance to make sure no one is hiring illegals. That will probably mean costs of services and goods will shoot straight up because Americans still won't want to pick lettuce or clean up other people's puke and shit for a living.

Or we can just accept that we've always had a need for unskilled labor to do undesirable jobs, and craft our policy in a way to control it.

Yes, America is great nation, and everyone wants to get in. Just as our fridges are full of goodies from a mouse's perspective.

The solution: A wall.

Your "solution": Give up, they are going to get our goods anyway so why resist. What a tard... I would rather get a mouse trap unlike you as an insane person.

Just let thieves thieve too, they are going to get what they want anyway so might as well not have any restrictions or laws....or walls which the Clinton's chose to deal with that problem.

I'm not a fan of illegal immigrants but they are not thieves. The lawbreakers who hire them are the anti-American thieves. Obviously, employers who hire illegals are the real core of the problem. It would be a whole lot cheaper to bring the hammer down on the employers of illegals than to build a wall.

 

[Norman]

Yeah, we should just call it a defeat. There is nothing that can be done, just let the 3rd world hordes invade and take over, they will find a way anyway. Laws should not even be attempted to be enforced as the criminals will find a way anyway.

Or just maybe, the wall will actually drastically reduce illegal immigration. Sure those with resources can find a way to get in, but guess what, that eliminates a lot of illegal immigration.

Okay, I know i have to talk to conservatives like they are retards, but...

Let's say you are having a problem with mice. You are having a problem with mice because you have a big old chuck of delicious cheese in the middle of your kitchen. That's why you have a problem with mice.

NOW- you can try to make the doors tougher, plug up every nook and crany in the foundation, but guess what, buddy, you are still going to have a mouse problem. Because as long as you have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in!

Now, we are having a problem with undocumented labor. The reason why we are having a problem is because we have a bunch of jobs that Americans don't want to do, that pay a lot better than jobs in Mexico.

So we can try to plug up the border, but as long as we have something they want, they are going to find a way to get in. And an undocumented worker is a lot more resourceful than a mouse.

The simple solution would be to enforce workplace compliance to make sure no one is hiring illegals. That will probably mean costs of services and goods will shoot straight up because Americans still won't want to pick lettuce or clean up other people's puke and shit for a living.

Or we can just accept that we've always had a need for unskilled labor to do undesirable jobs, and craft our policy in a way to control it.

Yes, America is great nation, and everyone wants to get in. Just as our fridges are full of goodies from a mouse's perspective.

The solution: A wall.

Your "solution": Give up, they are going to get our goods anyway so why resist. What a tard... I would rather get a mouse trap unlike you as an insane person.

Just let thieves thieve too, they are going to get what they want anyway so might as well not have any restrictions or laws....or walls which the Clinton's chose to deal with that problem.

I'm not a fan of illegal immigrants but they are not thieves. The lawbreakers who hire them are the anti-American thieves. Obviously, employers who hire illegals are the real core of the problem. It would be a whole lot cheaper to bring the hammer down on the employers of illegals than to build a wall.

I agree they are not thieves, although they have still committed a crime. I am making fun of JQPublic's far left way of problem solving, which if you extended to anything else, it would become obvious how retarded it is.

Although he probably advocates not having locked doors, burglar alarms or other protections. Most likely not because he believes they don't work, he just sides with thieves and illegals over honest hard working Americans. It's the far left way.