Trump’s Wall Costs $21.6 Billion; Illegal Immigration Costs $148.3 Billion Per Year

[P@triot]

Its just a partial wall. What good would a partial wall do in a prison?

That’s literally like saying that because the walls of Joliet Prison don’t go around the entire state of Illinois, they don’t work.

Just like the prisons, we just need the walls in the right places to be effective. It’s a fact. Just ask the rest of the world.

 

[P@triot]

But my point is balloons could be used to traverse a border wall repeatedely with low probability of immediate detection in a secluded area. Create a diversion a mile away and detection drops even more precipitously.

Hmm...if walls don’t work and are so “easy to traverse”...then why does every nation in the world use them? Why does every prison in the world use them? Why did the Catholic Church put a massive wall around the Vatican?

Consider the latest: On Jan. 7, Turkey announced it had completed half of a more than 100-mile wall along its border with Iran in terrain far more difficult than the Rio Grande Valley.

Feeling stupid yet? You should...

Trump's border wall is standard practice in other parts of the world

That is silly because the massive fortifications of the Middle Ages never relied on wall to keep people out.

That is silly. January 7th was not the “Middle Ages”, buttercup. It was less than 20 days ago.

 

[Rigby5]

Prisons never rely on walls

History, society, and reality drastically disagrees with you...

If you only build part of a wall, that is not going to prevent anyone from going anywhere. And Trump's wall does not circle Mexico or the US, so is not at all like a prison. And in a prison they prevent any tools to go under, over, or around. Trump's wall won't prevent anyone from getting the tools they need to under, over, or around.

If you built a partial wall as Trump proposes, what is to prevent anyone from using tools to under, over, or around?
In prisons they rely on guards to prevent people from having tools to go under, over, or around. And that would take many tens of thousands of guards. The cost would continue forever, not just a one time expense.

 

[P@triot]

A 100 mile wall is nothing like a 2000 mile wall, and you can see turkey is not relying on a wall, but on guard towers.

We won’t be relying on the wall either, buttercup. We’re not eliminating the Border Patrol. The wall will just make them exponentially more effective at their job.

By the way - if you’re going to attempt to argue with my by posting a picture of an armed guard - you might want to find one next time where there was only one guard for miles and miles (as far as the eye can see). Just say’n

 

[Rigby5]

But my point is balloons could be used to traverse a border wall repeatedely with low probability of immediate detection in a secluded area. Create a diversion a mile away and detection drops even more precipitously.

Hmm...if walls don’t work and are so “easy to traverse”...then why does every nation in the world use them? Why does every prison in the world use them? Why did the Catholic Church put a massive wall around the Vatican?

Consider the latest: On Jan. 7, Turkey announced it had completed half of a more than 100-mile wall along its border with Iran in terrain far more difficult than the Rio Grande Valley.

Feeling stupid yet? You should...

Trump's border wall is standard practice in other parts of the world

That is silly because the massive fortifications of the Middle Ages never relied on wall to keep people out.

That is silly. January 7th was not the “Middle Ages”, buttercup. It was less than 20 days ago.

What does Jan. 7 have to do with anything? Turkey has not completed its 100 mile wall yet, so it does nothing yet.
And Turkey is not trying to keep people our, but weapons of war, like armored vehicles, tanks, trucks, etc.
But since it is not done, we have no idea if Turkey's wall will help at all?

 

[P@triot]

If you built a partial wall as Trump proposes, what is to prevent anyone from using tools to under, over, or around?

Cost. Availability. Capability. Expertise. Homeland Security. Border Patrol.

Basically all of the common sense you insist on ignoring in order to push your bat-shit crazy ideological agenda.

 

[P@triot]

But since it is not done, we have no idea if Turkey's wall will help at all?

Sure we do. It’s called history.

 

[P@triot]

But since it is not done, we have no idea if Turkey's wall will help at all?

Do you have walls in the dwelling where you reside? Yes or no? If the answer is yes (and we all know it is), then shut the **** up. You’re being an argumentative hypocrite. You know damn well walls work to keep people out. That’s why you hide behind them and lock your doors.

 

[BULLDOG]

If you built a partial wall as Trump proposes, what is to prevent anyone from using tools to under, over, or around?

Cost. Availability. Capability. Expertise. Homeland Security. Border Patrol.

Basically all of the common sense you insist on ignoring in order to push your bag-shit crazy ideological agenda.

So the things we are already using?

 

[Rigby5]

A 100 mile wall is nothing like a 2000 mile wall, and you can see turkey is not relying on a wall, but on guard towers.

We won’t be relying on the wall either, buttercup. We’re not eliminating the Border Patrol. The wall will just make them exponentially more effective at their job.

By the way - if you’re going to attempt to argue with my by posting a picture of an armed guard - you might want to find one next time where there was only one guard for miles and miles (as far as the eye can see). Just say’n

There are not enough border patrol for 2000 miles of wall. The wall in Turkey is only 100 miles, so takes far fewer men.
Not sure what your point about the guard pict was?
If it was that you only need a guard every 1/4th mile or so, I suppose I would agree.
But that would still be about 24,000 additional guards, besides the existing border patrol, (8000 times 3 shifts).

 

[P@triot]

If you built a partial wall as Trump proposes, what is to prevent anyone from using tools to under, over, or around?

Cost. Availability. Capability. Expertise. Homeland Security. Border Patrol.

Basically all of the common sense you insist on ignoring in order to push your bag-shit crazy ideological agenda.

So the things we are already using?

Someone has a reading comprehension problem - uh BD? She said “what prevents someone from tunneling under the wall”? The answer is that your average Mexican doesn’t have the money for the tools to do that, the expertise to do that, the capability to do that, or the availability of the tools even if they did have all of those other things.

We’re talking about Mexico with the hypothetical wall. So why would you say “the things we are already using” when we’re talking about them and a situation which doesn’t even exist yet?

 

[Rigby5]

But since it is not done, we have no idea if Turkey's wall will help at all?

Do you have walls in the dwelling where you reside? Yes or no? If the answer is yes (and we all know it is), then shut the **** up. You’re being an argumentative hypocrite. You know damn well walls work to keep people out. That’s why you hide behind them and lock your doors.

The walls are to keep out the weather. I use a 9mm to keep out people. I keep doors locked to they have to make noise and wake me up.

 

[P@triot]

There are not enough border patrol for 2000 miles of wall.

Thank you!!! If we don’t have enough border patrol agents to cover 2,000 miles of wall, then we sure as shit don’t have enough border patrol agents to cover 2,000 miles of wide open space!

You just made the best argument yet why we need the wall. Thanks!

 

[P@triot]

But since it is not done, we have no idea if Turkey's wall will help at all?

Do you have walls in the dwelling where you reside? Yes or no? If the answer is yes (and we all know it is), then shut the **** up. You’re being an argumentative hypocrite. You know damn well walls work to keep people out. That’s why you hide behind them and lock your doors.

The walls are to keep out the weather. I use a 9mm to keep out people. I keep doors locked to they have to make noise and wake me up.

Bull shit. You can “keep weather out” with tarps! The walls are to keep people out and you ******* know it.

You’ve been exposed. If you had an ounce of shame, you’d feel really stupid right now.

 

[P@triot]

I use a 9mm to keep out people.

Well that’s a piss-poor choice. Clearly you are a progressive. Choosing your home defense firearms based on rap videos on MTV is not very wise. Believe me - your “gat” isn’t going to do much for you. I’ve got $100 that says you hold it sideways too

 

[JQPublic1]

Trump is no engineer

Which is why he isn’t designing the wall. You do realize when President Trump says he’s going to build a wall he does not mean that he, himself, will literally build the wall - don’t you?

or expert on security so what makes his wall demand so crucial...

Thankfully it doesn’t take an “expert on security” to understand that walls keep people out. That’s why your home has them.

Also - it doesn’t matter one bit what Donald Trump wants. The wall is what the American people want. That’s why they elected him.

Trump initiated the concept of a wall as grand as that Great Wall of China. He repeatedly made references to it. That kind of wall would cost three or 4 times as much just to build a 1000 mile stretch. He has no idea of costs for things built by the government.. So yes...likely some one knowledgeable about engineering and construction costs pulled him aside and schooled him. And I'm still not sure if he knows the difference between a wall and a big fence.

Trump is a dumb fool who just wants to do something spectacular . He came up with the concept of a wall that could become the largest manmade structure on earth...and his name will be associated with it. I don't want my tax dollars paying for some damn tribute to dumb Donald's ego.

The American people don't want to waste money on a wall. Last time i checked the PEW poll indicated over 60% of Americans were against it.

 

[JQPublic1]

But my point is balloons could be used to traverse a border wall repeatedely with low probability of immediate detection in a secluded area. Create a diversion a mile away and detection drops even more precipitously.

Hmm...if walls don’t work and are so “easy to traverse”...then why does every nation in the world use them? Why does every prison in the world use them? Why did the Catholic Church put a massive wall around the Vatican?

So why stop with a wall on the southern border? Why not encircle the entire continental USA with a wall? That could stop illegals from sneaking around the wall via two oceans and the Canadian border.

Consider the latest: On Jan. 7, Turkey announced it had completed half of a more than 100-mile wall along its border with Iran in terrain far more difficult than the Rio Grande Valley.

Feeling stupid yet? You should...

Trump's border wall is standard practice in other parts of the world

Why should i feel stupid about a quote I never posted? I think the stupidity here belongs to you in this case.

 

[bripat9643]

The way to make the wall work is to make it into a long hotel with thousands of rooms. Hotels are a Trump specialty and it could have huge signs saying "TRUMPS WALL HOTEL."

You would sound a lot smarter if you quit posting.

 

[bripat9643]

But my point is balloons could be used to traverse a border wall repeatedely with low probability of immediate detection in a secluded area. Create a diversion a mile away and detection drops even more precipitously.

Hmm...if walls don’t work and are so “easy to traverse”...then why does every nation in the world use them? Why does every prison in the world use them? Why did the Catholic Church put a massive wall around the Vatican?

Consider the latest: On Jan. 7, Turkey announced it had completed half of a more than 100-mile wall along its border with Iran in terrain far more difficult than the Rio Grande Valley.

Feeling stupid yet? You should...

Trump's border wall is standard practice in other parts of the world

That is silly because the massive fortifications of the Middle Ages never relied on wall to keep people out.
The walls were for defenders to shoot from, and it was the defenders that kept people out.
A 100 mile wall is nothing like a 2000 mile wall, and you can see turkey is not relying on a wall, but on guard towers.

The idiot claims walls don't work, and then posts a pic of a wall.

If the wall wasn't necessary, then why did they build it? Ever seen a line of gaurd towers without a wall? Me neither.

 

[bripat9643]

But my point is balloons could be used to traverse a border wall repeatedely with low probability of immediate detection in a secluded area. Create a diversion a mile away and detection drops even more precipitously.

Hmm...if walls don’t work and are so “easy to traverse”...then why does every nation in the world use them? Why does every prison in the world use them? Why did the Catholic Church put a massive wall around the Vatican?

So why stop with a wall on the southern border? Why not encircle the entire continental USA with a wall? That could stop illegals from sneaking around the wall via two oceans and the Canadian border.

Consider the latest: On Jan. 7, Turkey announced it had completed half of a more than 100-mile wall along its border with Iran in terrain far more difficult than the Rio Grande Valley.

Feeling stupid yet? You should...

Trump's border wall is standard practice in other parts of the world

Why should i feel stupid about a quote I never posted? I think the stupidity here belongs to you in this case.

It isn't necessary, moron.

You can always count on snowflakes to devolve into pure idiocy.