Trump's Tariffs Plan

[Slyhunter]

Trump wants to do reciprocal Tariffs, which I am for. It's a simple idea, you Tariff our stuff, we will Tariff your stuff the same amount. If you have unfair trade advantages with us, like using slave or prison labor, then we Tariff your stuff enough to remove that advantage. The Democrats would be for these Tariffs, if they were pro-America. But they're Globalists. That is the only reason I can think of for doing so.

Anyhow, the Chinese think they have a way around this. But, with proper investigation and policing, we can counter by raising Tariffs to any country for those goods created by Chinese owned Businesses.

China’s plan to get around Western tariffs: Fill the world with factories

In response to the trade war, the Asian giant is investing billions of dollars abroad in plants, especially in industries linked to the energy transition

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[wamose]

Trump wants to do reciprocal Tariffs, which I am for. It's a simple idea, you Tariff our stuff, we will Tariff your stuff the same amount. If you have unfair trade advantages with us, like using slave or prison labor, then we Tariff your stuff enough to remove that advantage. The Democrats would be for these Tariffs, if they were pro-America. But they're Globalists. That is the only reason I can think of for doing so.

Anyhow, the Chinese think they have a way around this. But, with proper investigation and policing, we can counter by raising Tariffs to any country for those goods created by Chinese owned Businesses.

China’s plan to get around Western tariffs: Fill the world with factories

In response to the trade war, the Asian giant is investing billions of dollars abroad in plants, especially in industries linked to the energy transition

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Protectionism is good and if it results in bringing production back to America, that's all the better. MAGA

 

[Slyhunter]

Protectionism is good and if it results in bringing production back to America, that's all the better. MAGA

If we do Protectionism, then our reciprocal Tariff plan is out the window, and other countries Protectionism will continue.

 

[candycorn]

Trump wants to do reciprocal Tariffs, which I am for. It's a simple idea, you Tariff our stuff, we will Tariff your stuff the same amount. If you have unfair trade advantages with us, like using slave or prison labor, then we Tariff your stuff enough to remove that advantage. The Democrats would be for these Tariffs, if they were pro-America. But they're Globalists. That is the only reason I can think of for doing so.

Anyhow, the Chinese think they have a way around this. But, with proper investigation and policing, we can counter by raising Tariffs to any country for those goods created by Chinese owned Businesses.

China’s plan to get around Western tariffs: Fill the world with factories

In response to the trade war, the Asian giant is investing billions of dollars abroad in plants, especially in industries linked to the energy transition

english.elpais.com

The blob tried that when he was in earlier.

Massive failure on every front.

 

[candycorn]

Protectionism is good and if it results in bringing production back to America, that's all the better. MAGA

It won't. They simply will move to a non-tariffed nation.

 

[Slyhunter]

It won't. They simply will move to a non-tariffed nation.

Yup, and we then tariff any good made by a Chinese owned company regardless of what country it comes from then, for example.

 

[candycorn]

Yup, and we then tariff any good made by a Chinese owned company regardless of what country it comes from then, for example.

Ahh a tax on consumers....

Another terrible idea.

Or do you think an American company will spring up out of nowhere and make $0.99 goods?

 

[my2¢]

The Democrats would be for these Tariffs, if they were pro-America. But they're Globalists. That is the only reason I can think of for doing so.

For me tariffs bring back the matter of Herbert Hoover, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, and the Great Depression. So, from 60 years ago what was engrained in me is that tariffs are bad. But this isn't 1930, I'm open minded. But saying these tariffs are a simple matter of being pro-America, that's just blind faith.

 

[Slyhunter]

Ahh a tax on consumers....

Another terrible idea.

Or do you think an American company will spring up out of nowhere and make $0.99 goods?

If we set it up where it is impossible for them to sell their stuff here without the equally high tariff's they charge for our stuff, then maybe they will lower the tariff's of our stuff in trade for use lowering ours in kind. IE. reciprocal Tariffs. Ye, who are so blind.

 

[Slyhunter]

For me tariffs bring back the matter of Herbert Hoover, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, and the Great Depression. So, from 60 years ago what was engrained in me is that tariffs are bad. But this isn't 1930, I'm open minded. But saying these tariffs are a simple matter of being pro-America, that's just blind faith.

No, remember when they said the immigrants would die in huge amounts if Texas didn't remove the barbwire in that river?
Well, any 2 have died since then. The reason why is they knowing they will die, so they don't cross there.

Reciprocal Tariffs, mean if China Tariffs for cars at 100%, which they do, then we will Tariff Chinese goods in trade at 100%. Thy lower their we lower ours.

If Canada Tariffs Beef at high amounts as a means to protect their local Farmers, and they do, then we will match them percentage point for percentage point.

It means, even for our companies, no unfair propping up by Government. They succeed and fail in a Global marketplace, but on an even playing field.

 

[candycorn]

If we set it up where it is impossible for them to sell their stuff here without the equally high tariff's they charge for our stuff, then maybe they will lower the tariff's of our stuff in trade for use lowering ours in kind. IE. reciprocal Tariffs. Ye, who are so blind.

You’re completely ignoring the American demand for cheap stuff and lots of it. Yet your’e calling someone who is pointing it out to you “so blind”.

Why didn’t the tariffs work the first time they were tried? Trump had 3 years to bring China to its knees. Nothing happened... He’s not going to have 3 years this time.

 

[Slyhunter]

You’re completely ignoring the American demand for cheap stuff and lots of it. Yet your’e calling someone who is pointing it out to you “so blind”.

Why didn’t the tariffs work the first time they were tried? Trump had 3 years to bring China to its knees. Nothing happened... He’s not going to have 3 years this time.

Is our want for cheap stuff worth backing those who enslave other people for whatever reason? We might as well have slaves here, then.

I don't know why it didn't work last time. I am not certain it was actually tried.

It is not fair that countries protect their own industries with high tariffs and we don't. It is either reciprocal tariffs or a tariff war.

 

[Slyhunter]

Biden has left Trump's China tariffs in place. Here's why

Former President Donald Trump started a controversial trade war with China three years ago, putting tariffs on roughly $350 billion of Chinese-made goods -- and despite the change in administration, those duties remain in place.

edition.cnn.com

The US still has tariffs on 66% of Chinese exports​

There is currently a tariff on the majority of the goods being shipped from China into the United States. The average rate is 19% -- more than six times higher than before the trade war began in 2018, according to the Peterson Institute for International Economics. American importers pay those duties.
The taxes have raised the price for items such as baseball hats, luggage, bicycles, TVs, sneakers and a variety of materials used by American manufacturers.

the goods deficit with China alone narrowed after Trump implemented the tariffs. The trade gap totaled $311 billion in 2020, down from a record high of $419 billion in 2018.

 

[bendog]

Trump wants to do reciprocal Tariffs, which I am for. It's a simple idea, you Tariff our stuff, we will Tariff your stuff the same amount. If you have unfair trade advantages with us, like using slave or prison labor, then we Tariff your stuff enough to remove that advantage. The Democrats would be for these Tariffs, if they were pro-America. But they're Globalists. That is the only reason I can think of for doing so.

Anyhow, the Chinese think they have a way around this. But, with proper investigation and policing, we can counter by raising Tariffs to any country for those goods created by Chinese owned Businesses.

China’s plan to get around Western tariffs: Fill the world with factories

In response to the trade war, the Asian giant is investing billions of dollars abroad in plants, especially in industries linked to the energy transition

english.elpais.com

Biden has left Trump's China tariffs in place. Here's why

Former President Donald Trump started a controversial trade war with China three years ago, putting tariffs on roughly $350 billion of Chinese-made goods -- and despite the change in administration, those duties remain in place.

edition.cnn.com

I don't think Trump works with "reciprocal" tariffs. HE's more a "first responder" in tariff terms.

Trump tariffs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But that's not necessarily a criticism. IT may be that working families are willing to pay higher costs for Trump's tariffs. We'd need to ask the WalMart moms. No criticism of them either.

The tariffs are still there because they are a tax payable to the federal govt. AND THAT SEEMS THE ONLY TAX THAT THE GOP SUPPORTS. It taxes the poorest the most in terms of amt of income paid in taxes, BUT IT'S THE GOP. And it a way its the same an a rate hike to halt inflation: goods cost more so we don't buy so much AND Taxes inevitably take money out of the economy: unfortunately both parties are addicted to deficits to buy votes from idiots, and THAT adds money to the economy and is potentially inflationary.

PS thanks for the non flame thread

 

[candycorn]

Is our want for cheap stuff worth backing those who enslave other people for whatever reason? We might as well have slaves here, then.

And there it is.

You said the quiet part out loud.

MAGA at it’s finest.

I don't know why it didn't work last time. I am not certain it was actually tried.

Sure you do. You won’t say this though. You’re fine with having slavery brought back here as you just said. Still trying to process that one. But lets put a pin in that for a moment there Johnny Reb.... if it were this simple--just puatting massive tarrifs up, a President would have tried it already. The blob isn’t some brilliant strategists. In fact; just the opposite which is why he lied aobut who pays them; because he knows people like you will believe it.

The reason massive tarrifs don’t work is because we make more than we can consume of a lot of products. Agriculture (our largest industry) for example. So if you put up these tariffs recklessly--to stick it to a bunch of people to please your constituency, you shoot yourself in the foot. Hence your blob bailing out the already subsidized farmers twice.

It is not fair that countries protect their own industries with high tariffs and we don't. It is either reciprocal tariffs or a tariff war.

Are you under the impression that the playing field was level to start with? LOL. Thats cute.

Its the curse of any nation that exports goods. There are going to be inequities. In our case, they are massive. The US has the problem of what Dave Ramsey calls “stuffitis”...we’re addicted to buying crap we don’t need and we want it cheap. Thus our trade deficit.

 

[candycorn]

I don't think Trump works with "reciprocal" tariffs. HE's more a "first responder" in tariff terms.

Trump tariffs - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But that's not necessarily a criticism. IT may be that working families are willing to pay higher costs for Trump's tariffs. We'd need to ask the WalMart moms. No criticism of them either.

The tariffs are still there because they are a tax payable to the federal govt. AND THAT SEEMS THE ONLY TAX THAT THE GOP SUPPORTS. It taxes the poorest the most in terms of amt of income paid in taxes, BUT IT'S THE GOP. And it a way its the same an a rate hike to halt inflation: goods cost more so we don't buy so much AND Taxes inevitably take money out of the economy: unfortunately both parties are addicted to deficits to buy votes from idiots, and THAT adds money to the economy and is potentially inflationary.

PS thanks for the non flame thread

Are you going to comment on his wanting to bring slavery back?

 

[Slyhunter]

And there it is.

You said the quiet part out loud.

MAGA at it’s finest.

IE. We should not buy from countries that use slave labor. High tariffs would ensure our products or elsewhere are cheaper then those.

Sure you do. You won’t say this though. You’re fine with having slavery brought back here as you just said. Still trying to process that one. But lets put a pin in that for a moment there Johnny Reb.... if it were this simple--just puatting massive tarrifs up, a President would have tried it already. The blob isn’t some brilliant strategists. In fact; just the opposite which is why he lied aobut who pays them; because he knows people like you will believe it.

You twisted my words.
Biden kept the tariffs in place Dingo.

The reason massive tarrifs don’t work is because we make more than we can consume of a lot of products. Agriculture (our largest industry) for example. So if you put up these tariffs recklessly--to stick it to a bunch of people to please your constituency, you shoot yourself in the foot. Hence your blob bailing out the already subsidized farmers twice.

You're not doing it to please your constituency. Nor would we do it recklessly. Reciprocal tariff simply means we match their tariffs. No protectionism allowed, by anyone.

Are you under the impression that the playing field was level to start with? LOL. Thats cute.

No, it never has been. That is the point.

Its the curse of any nation that exports goods. There are going to be inequities. In our case, they are massive. The US has the problem of what Dave Ramsey calls “stuffitis”...we’re addicted to buying crap we don’t need and we want it cheap. Thus our trade deficit.

Which is why all our manufactories are moving out. We need to keep them here without being stupid and trying to force them to stay.

 

[Slyhunter]

Are you going to comment on his wanting to bring slavery back?

He doesn't, Dingo.

 

[candycorn]

IE. We should not buy from countries that use slave labor. High tariffs would ensure our products or elsewhere are cheaper then those.

LOL... Not sure what is more hilarious. That you think that would work or that you really think that tariffs would create this change.

For example. If you would open your eyes.... The tarriffs were in place for years under both Trump and Biden (the ones he kept in place). So what has happened to the American alternatives to the Chinese imports? Clearly the Chinese products are a lot more expensive now, right? Nope. American manufacturers have raised their prices to take advantage.

You're not doing it to please your constituency. Nor would we do it recklessly. Reciprocal tariff simply means we match their tariffs. No protectionism allowed, by anyone.

Meanwhile back in reality, the other day your blob said he’d put 200% tariffs on John Deere if they moved their manufacturing.

Just out of nowhere.

Look...here is a news story confirming it!!!!

Trump threatens Deere with 200% tariffs if it shifts manufacturing to Mexico

The tractor giant's plan to move some production south of the border is tied up in election politics as the economy becomes more central to campaign messaging.

www.supplychaindive.com

Donald Trump threatens 200% tariff if John Deere moves production to Mexico

Former President Donald Trump, campaigning in Pennsylvania, threatened a 200% tariff if Deere carries out plan to move some production to Mexico.

www.desmoinesregister.com

Even the right leaning WSJ Editorial page said he was absolutely crazy for doing so:

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/donald-trump-tariffs-john-deere-mexico-79daf213

I’m sure you’ll rush to defend your blob who essentially did the EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID--"You're not doing it to please your constituency. Nor would we do it recklessly. Reciprocal tariff simply means we match their tariffs. No protectionism allowed, by anyone."

C’mon lets hear it.

Which is why all our manufactories are moving out. We need to keep them here without being stupid and trying to force them to stay.

The only way to do that would be to, gasp, get corporate America to accept a lower profit margin. Tariffs won’t do it. Of course, neither would anything else as long as they serve the stockholders instead of the greater good. Perhaps we should teach ethics in business schools and how the local factory fits into national defense, national prosperity, and all that stuff. Oh wait...that would require a federal approach to education. Can’t have that now, can we?

 

[candycorn]

He doesn't, Dingo.

Sure Johnny Reb.