Trump's moves on RACE

What makes you right-wing whites believe everything equal now?

There are 8 black billionaires in this country. Does that mean we have reached the end of racism?

These 8 billionaires are worth just over 30 billion dollars. So I guess that means we have reached equality.

One white man, Eon Musk is worth at least 10 times more than all 8 of those black billionaires combined.

You watch a few athletes on TV, I guess that means everything is equal. But if you add up the black NFL, NBA, baseball players, rappers, singers and actors, that's not even 1 percent of the black population.

Oh, I forgot, we had a black president. And after that we had the most racist president in modern times.

If we set aside the legacy of slavery, and the racism that supported it - do you think government has a responsibility to makes sure that all interest groups are "equal" in terms of wealth or whatever?

For example, should government work to ensure that women make as much money as men, or short people are as well off as tall people, etc...?
 
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My biggest disappointment with Barack Obama was the fact that no American President has ever been better-equipped to firmly address America's profound racial issues, and he essentially voted "present" instead of tackling them head on.

Biden? Uh, no.

On the other hand, and this is not easy for me to say, Donald Trump does find himself in a position to address race. Why that is, is a separate issue. But the way he's handling it -- decrees that just summarily wipe away any number of issues centering around race -- is a mistake. Instead, he could be carefully explaining WHY he believes that initiatives like DEI are not in America's best interests, and neither are they in the best interest of those they purport to be "helping". Isn't that the point of all this?

The opportunity is right there, waiting for him. But he's not taking it. Obviously he personally doesn't have the capacity to communicate these things contemporaneously, but that's not necessarily needed. He can do it in a speech that is carefully written for him (as long as he sticks to the words, of course). Get the ideas out into society, get Americans to talk to each other about it. But it has to start with Trump.

Instead, they're just going to cram this stuff down the country's throat, with no explanations, no discussion, no communication. It's a terribly wasted opportunity.


If that subhuman gave a speech on DEI he'd lie thru his McD's cheeseburg stuffing gob from beginning to end, no matter if it was written for him or not.
 
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If we set aside the legacy of slavery, and the racism that supported it - do you think government has a responsibility to makes sure that all interest groups are "equal" in terms of wealth or whatever?
What about the legacy of Jim Crow and the modern racism that exists now? Things didn't end when slavery stopped and:

Black Reparations for Twentieth Century Federal Housing Discrimination: The Construction of White Wealth and the Effects of Denied Black Homeownership​

Boston University Public Interest Law Journal, Volume 29, Issue 135 (Winter 2019)

This paper examines the U.S. government’s instigation, participation, authorization, and perpetuation of federal housing discrimination against black-Americans from the 1930s to the 1980s and the damage that such discrimination caused and continues to cause today. Delving into the U.S. government’s twentieth century federal housing practices, this paper discusses how the government effectively barred black-Americans from obtaining quality housing and from investing in housing as wealth, while simultaneously subsidizing and endorsing white homeownership, white suburbs, and white wealth. Quantifying the U.S. government’s discriminatory practices with current wealth gaps between white- and black-American communities, this paper discusses the effects of twentieth century federal housing discrimination and argues that such government-initiated wrongs justify black reparations.

Part I examines the U.S. government’s housing practices—from the New Deal until the 1968 Fair Housing Act and its 1988 Amendments—to reveal that although the New Deal’s national housing programs revolutionized homeownership and home equity in the United States, the U.S. government’s federal housing programs were racially discriminatory. Specifically, and quite shockingly, the U.S. government actively created and promulgated racist neighborhood rating systems that constructed black neighborhoods and black property as unstable, volatile, hazardous, and not worthy of investment. Using these racist rating systems, the federal government endorsed racial covenants and invested federal money into the creation and accumulation of white wealth, the value of whiteness, white suburbia, and white homeownership. Meanwhile, the government denied blacks federal housing funding, fueling black stigma and barring black-Americans from the invaluable twentieth century opportunities of homeownership and home equity.

Understanding the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices, Part II discusses and quantifies the effects of the government’s housing discrimination on black-American households and communities. Finding that approximately 120 billion 1950s dollars—or more than 1.239 quintillion 2019 dollars—were invested to subsidize and create white-American wealth through homeownership, Part II discusses both the quantifiable and the less quantifiable effects of twentieth century federal housing discrimination. Mapping the impact of the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices to the black-white wealth gap, Part II argues that the black-white wealth gap may be attributable, at least in part, to twentieth century federal housing discrimination.

In conclusion, this paper argues in favor of black reparations for the discriminatory U.S. housing practices that persisted from the 1930s to the 1980s—and whose remnants pervasively continue to damage black-American communities today. At a minimum, this paper argues that the U.S. government should compensate black-Americans for the 1.239 quintillion dollars of discriminatory federal housing spending. In addition, recognizing the power of wealth accumulation, the U.S. government should consider the grave and lasting impact of its discriminatory housing practices in order to repair the government-initiated wrongs perpetrated merely one generation ago.


When you guys try questioning us about matters of race, you need to do the research we have done instead of just asking questions off the top of your head that ignore significant swaths of American history as well as a lack of understanding about the many different policies/programs whites were able to participate in after slavery ended that built white wealth that Blacks not only were denied but that black tax dollars helped to fund.
 
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Yes, I have. I have been discriminated against based on my white skin color.
No, you haven't. You probably applied at a business that was mostly white and somebody black got hired because they were better than you and you want to call that discrimination.
 
Vichy Mac, who has spent the last eight years whining about race is now suddenly concerned about race.

Trump won by appealing to racists like you, Mac. He's not going to fail to feed them the red meat.
As you know, President Trump is probably the least racist/prejudiced president we've ever had.

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What about the legacy of Jim Crow and the modern racism that exists now? ...
That's now what I'm asking about. I get that the legacy off all that matters. I'm just asking if, in general, you think government has a responsibility to ensure that very demographics are equal? It's not a trick question.
 
That's now what I'm asking about. I get that the legacy off all that matters. I'm just asking if, in general, you think government has a responsibility to ensure that very demographics are equal? It's not a trick question.
Did the government create the inequality? Yes. So there is your answer.
 
What about the legacy of Jim Crow and the modern racism that exists now? Things didn't end when slavery stepped and:

Black Reparations for Twentieth Century Federal Housing Discrimination: The Construction of White Wealth and the Effects of Denied Black Homeownership​

Boston University Public Interest Law Journal, Volume 29, Issue 135 (Winter 2019)

This paper examines the U.S. government’s instigation, participation, authorization, and perpetuation of federal housing discrimination against black-Americans from the 1930s to the 1980s and the damage that such discrimination caused and continues to cause today. Delving into the U.S. government’s twentieth century federal housing practices, this paper discusses how the government effectively barred black-Americans from obtaining quality housing and from investing in housing as wealth, while simultaneously subsidizing and endorsing white homeownership, white suburbs, and white wealth. Quantifying the U.S. government’s discriminatory practices with current wealth gaps between white- and black-American communities, this paper discusses the effects of twentieth century federal housing discrimination and argues that such government-initiated wrongs justify black reparations.

Part I examines the U.S. government’s housing practices—from the New Deal until the 1968 Fair Housing Act and its 1988 Amendments—to reveal that although the New Deal’s national housing programs revolutionized homeownership and home equity in the United States, the U.S. government’s federal housing programs were racially discriminatory. Specifically, and quite shockingly, the U.S. government actively created and promulgated racist neighborhood rating systems that constructed black neighborhoods and black property as unstable, volatile, hazardous, and not worthy of investment. Using these racist rating systems, the federal government endorsed racial covenants and invested federal money into the creation and accumulation of white wealth, the value of whiteness, white suburbia, and white homeownership. Meanwhile, the government denied blacks federal housing funding, fueling black stigma and barring black-Americans from the invaluable twentieth century opportunities of homeownership and home equity.

Understanding the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices, Part II discusses and quantifies the effects of the government’s housing discrimination on black-American households and communities. Finding that approximately 120 billion 1950s dollars—or more than 1.239 quintillion 2019 dollars—were invested to subsidize and create white-American wealth through homeownership, Part II discusses both the quantifiable and the less quantifiable effects of twentieth century federal housing discrimination. Mapping the impact of the U.S. government’s discriminatory housing practices to the black-white wealth gap, Part II argues that the black-white wealth gap may be attributable, at least in part, to twentieth century federal housing discrimination.

In conclusion, this paper argues in favor of black reparations for the discriminatory U.S. housing practices that persisted from the 1930s to the 1980s—and whose remnants pervasively continue to damage black-American communities today. At a minimum, this paper argues that the U.S. government should compensate black-Americans for the 1.239 quintillion dollars of discriminatory federal housing spending. In addition, recognizing the power of wealth accumulation, the U.S. government should consider the grave and lasting impact of its discriminatory housing practices in order to repair the government-initiated wrongs perpetrated merely one generation ago.


When you guys try questioning us about matters of race, you need to do the research we have done instead of just asking questions off the top of your head that ignore significant swaths of American history as well as a lack of understanding about the many different policies/programs whites were able to participate in after slavery ended that built white wealth that Blacks not only were denied but that black tax dollars helped to fund.
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I lived on Oahu for a 18 months. Blacks are prejudiced against by locals just as much or more so than whites.
In Hawaii, native born Hawaiians are about as prejudiced as any cracker living in the South during Jim Crow, so I'm sure Obama got a taste of real racism growing up. He also got a taste of it when his mother and father in law moved him to Indonesia. He never seemed to get along with his classmates. He was pampered by his mother and coddled by his communist grandparents. He always felt he was an outcast, but mostly because he didn't try to get along with people. I'm sure he also had abandonment issues because his father left when he was an infant.

and yet he turned out to be a pretty decent guy who dedicated his life to serving others.

As opposed to Trump, who grew up in the lap of luxury, and turned into a truly horrible human being.

Now, if you want to examine the depths of Trump's malignant narcissism, a good place to start is "Too much and not enough" by his niece, Mary Trump. She lays out the horrible dynamic of the Trump family.
 
The world is on to you…all legitimate people know we fucked ourselves BIG-TIME by being kind, compassionate, generous, TOLERANT and INCLUSIVE.
It’s time to unwind the retardation…1950’s here we come baby!!!
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You mean why did they start an empire that exploited all those people of color, only to have some of them take up residence.

For the record, the population of the UK is still 82% white.
 
Not really an answer. But whatever
Yes it is an answer. Government policy created the problem. If the government can create the problem, government is responsible for solving it.
 
Let's start talking about reality instead of asking dumb ass questions.

Why won't anyone answer it though?

“The net worth of just 400 billionaires, a group that could fit into a high school gym, is on par with the collective wealth of our more than 14 million African- American households.”
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I'm not sure you want to go straight for billionaires, that's an exclusive club with fewer members. Millionaires would be a more representative sample, wouldn't it?

Blacks are 13 percent of the population but have 4.7 percent of the wealth. Equality means we have 13 percent of the wealth.

Using total wealth held by a segment of the population isn't a good metric because in that number could be major corporations. Places like Amazon, Microsoft, etc skew that number.

A more realistic metric would be the number of people in the US with a net worth of 1 million or more. This is a more accurate depiction of the country and tells what percent of the population is doing well overall, rather than trying to use the net worth of an exclusive club of billionaires who own major shares of corporations.


According to this, about 20% of white families have a net worth of 1M or more (60% of the population)

About 5% of black households have a net worth of 1M or more (14% of the population)

So, doesn't this mean the distribution of total number of millionaires is about equal?

...in 2022, for every $100 in wealth held by white households, Black households held only $15.

Equality means that for every hundred someone white has, a black person has the same 100.

Ok, so then you answered the question that I asked curried goats, that if there are 15M white millionaires, then there should be 15M black millionaires, right?


All of these things I quoted were caused by white racist policies over the years. Now you can keep losing more than a trillion per year then bitch about a nation in debt and deficits, or you can work to ensure all have wealth equal to their proportion of the population.

How do you plan on making this happen? I've asked this before.

Those like you who live comfortably in Pleasantville, think you can make statements and those statements represent authoritative facts. They are not.

You don't know anything about me, or how I live. Do you think I'm rich? Lol
 
My biggest disappointment with Barack Obama was the fact that no American President has ever been better-equipped to firmly address America's profound racial issues, and he essentially voted "present" instead of tackling them head on.

Biden? Uh, no.

On the other hand, and this is not easy for me to say, Donald Trump does find himself in a position to address race. Why that is, is a separate issue. But the way he's handling it -- decrees that just summarily wipe away any number of issues centering around race -- is a mistake. Instead, he could be carefully explaining WHY he believes that initiatives like DEI are not in America's best interests, and neither are they in the best interest of those they purport to be "helping". Isn't that the point of all this?

The opportunity is right there, waiting for him. But he's not taking it. Obviously he personally doesn't have the capacity to communicate these things contemporaneously, but that's not necessarily needed. He can do it in a speech that is carefully written for him (as long as he sticks to the words, of course). Get the ideas out into society, get Americans to talk to each other about it. But it has to start with Trump.

Instead, they're just going to cram this stuff down the country's throat, with no explanations, no discussion, no communication. It's a terribly wasted opportunity.


nothing needs to be explained .. he said America believes in and supports meritocracy not hiring based on race or sexual orientation .. what more need to be explained ..
 

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