Trump's misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies...if the jury believes

[Dante]

People here at usmb and elsewhere have been arguing over and over again "what other crime?" -- yet when the other crime is mentioned they've ignored it completely. But in the courtroom the facts can't so easily be ignored. The jury is being reminded by the prosecution team over and over again, that records were doctored to further or conceal another crime - , an effort to illegally influence the 2016 election.

Alan Feuer
Reporting on Trump’s criminal trial

Just a reminder about the structure of the charges in this case: Trump has been indicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records related to reimbursing Cohen for the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels. Those misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies...

if the jury believes the records were doctored to further or conceal another crime —

in this instance, an effort to illegally influence the 2016 election.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/13/nyregion/trump-trial-michael-cohen

Frankie!!!
CrusaderFrank

 

[theHawk]

People here at usmb and elsewhere have been arguing over and over again "what other crime?" -- yet when the other crime is mentioned they've ignored it completely. But in the courtroom the facts can't so easily be ignored. The jury is being reminded by the prosecution team over and over again, that records were doctored to further or conceal another crime - , an effort to illegally influence the 2016 election.

Alan Feuer
Reporting on Trump’s criminal trial

Just a reminder about the structure of the charges in this case: Trump has been indicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records related to reimbursing Cohen for the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels. Those misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies...

if the jury believes the records were doctored to further or conceal another crime —

in this instance, an effort to illegally influence the 2016 election.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/13/nyregion/trump-trial-michael-cohen

^^ another 2016 election denier.

 

[Dante]

^^ another 2016 election denier.

clue: Mr. Trump is on trial.

 

[theHawk]

clue: Mr. Trump is on trial.

Yes we’re all aware of the kangaroo court and sham trial. It’s all you pathetic losers have left to cling to.

 

[Dante]

^^ another 2016 election denier.

Criminal defendant Mr. Trump.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

People here at usmb and elsewhere have been arguing over and over again "what other crime?" -- yet when the other crime is mentioned they've ignored it completely. But in the courtroom the facts can't so easily be ignored. The jury is being reminded by the prosecution team over and over again, that records were doctored to further or conceal another crime - , an effort to illegally influence the 2016 election.

Alan Feuer
Reporting on Trump’s criminal trial

Just a reminder about the structure of the charges in this case: Trump has been indicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records related to reimbursing Cohen for the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels. Those misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies...

if the jury believes the records were doctored to further or conceal another crime —

in this instance, an effort to illegally influence the 2016 election.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/13/nyregion/trump-trial-michael-cohen

If the crime is to illegally influence an election, it was brought in the wrong court. That's a federal crime and cannot be tried in state court. Everyone already knows this. The reason why it wasn't brought in federal court is because no federal prosecutor wanted a dead bang loser.

 

[Dante]

If the crime is to illegally influence an election, it was brought in the wrong court. That's a federal crime and cannot be tried in state court. Everyone already knows this. The reason why it wasn't brought in federal court is because no federal prosecutor wanted a dead bang loser.

Not true, but you can go beat that dead horse all you want.

misdemeanor charges are often bumped up to felonies -- in state courts

 

[EvilCat Breath]

If you believe that the jury is free to convict on the unchanged federal crime, they are not. It is completely reversible on appeal. Double jeopardy would apply. Trump should thereafter sue the City of New York.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Not true, but you can go beat that dead horse all you want.

misdemeanor charges are often bumped up to felonies -- in state courts

Not federal felonies.

 

[Dante]

Not federal felonies.

go away

 

[EvilCat Breath]

go away

Because I point out how foolish you are?

 

[Dante]

If you believe that the jury is free to convict on the unchanged federal crime, they are not. It is completely reversible on appeal. Double jeopardy would apply. Trump should thereafter sue the City of New York

4 hours ago
Alan Feuer
Reporting on Trump’s criminal trial
Just a reminder about the structure of the charges in this case: Trump has been indicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records related to reimbursing Cohen for the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels. Those misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies if the jury believes the records were doctored to further or conceal another crime — in this instance, an effort to illegally influence the 2016 election.

Michael Cohen has now testified that he, Trump and David Pecker, the publisher of The National Enquirer, entered into a plot to suppress negative stories about Trump. He says Pecker “would be able to help us to know in advance what was coming out” and try to stop it from doing so.
This is the conspiracy that prosecutors allege Trump participated in — one of the potential crimes that transforms the charges Trump is facing into felonies.

The Enquirer also helped promote negative stories about Trump’s G.O.P. primary rivals. Cohen is now describing them. Some of the smears were directed at Marco Rubio, the Florida senator who is currently a top contender to be Trump’s running mate.

Cohen says that he “immediately showed” such material to Trump, who would greet it with praise like “fantastic, unbelievable.”

Cohen seemingly understood the untapped power of a supermarket tabloid, which would reach voters “at the cash register of so many supermarkets and bodegas.” He testifies: “If we can place positive stories about Mr. Trump, that would be beneficial.” He adds, “And if we could place negative stories about some of the other candidates, that would also be beneficial.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/13/nyregion/trump-trial-michael-cohen

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[EvilCat Breath]

4 hours ago
Alan Feuer
Reporting on Trump’s criminal trial
Just a reminder about the structure of the charges in this case: Trump has been indicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records related to reimbursing Cohen for the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels. Those misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies if the jury believes the records were doctored to further or conceal another crime — in this instance, an effort to illegally influence the 2016 election.

Michael Cohen has now testified that he, Trump and David Pecker, the publisher of The National Enquirer, entered into a plot to suppress negative stories about Trump. He says Pecker “would be able to help us to know in advance what was coming out” and try to stop it from doing so.
This is the conspiracy that prosecutors allege Trump participated in — one of the potential crimes that transforms the charges Trump is facing into felonies.

The Enquirer also helped promote negative stories about Trump’s G.O.P. primary rivals. Cohen is now describing them. Some of the smears were directed at Marco Rubio, the Florida senator who is currently a top contender to be Trump’s running mate.

Cohen says that he “immediately showed” such material to Trump, who would greet it with praise like “fantastic, unbelievable.”

Cohen seemingly understood the untapped power of a supermarket tabloid, which would reach voters “at the cash register of so many supermarkets and bodegas.” He testifies: “If we can place positive stories about Mr. Trump, that would be beneficial.” He adds, “And if we could place negative stories about some of the other candidates, that would also be beneficial.”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/13/nyregion/trump-trial-michael-cohen

This is going nowhere. If these are their arguments, if they survive this trial, an appeal will make short work of them.

You know this is what all candidates do.

 

[Dante]

This is going nowhere. If these are their arguments, if they survive this trial, an appeal will make short work of them.

You know this is what all candidates do.

Nope. Not sure why you would want to set yourself up for another failure like the 2020 election and Jan 6.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Nope. Not sure why you would want to set yourself up for another failure like the 2020 election and Jan 6.

That's always a possibility with the kind of fraud democrats use.

 

[Dante]

We're getting there Frank. Hang on. From the courtroom:

Homing in for a moment on the charges in this case, Michael Cohen has bolstered the prosecution's claims on two key points from the witness stand today: He has linked Trump directly to the scheme to reimburse him for the Stormy Daniels hush money payment, which forms the basis for the falsification of business records charges. And he has said that Trump was personally concerned that Daniels’s story, if it got out, could affect his chances with female voters, which speaks directly to the underlying election conspiracy statute that elevates those charges from misdemeanors to felonies.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/13/nyregion/trump-trial-michael-cohen

 

[Dante]

That's always a possibility with the kind of fraud democrats use.

Like this? Trump Tower was like a Nazi program. Well kept records.

Maggie Haberman
Reporting from inside the courthouse

This testimony underscores how much of this case is actually about documentary evidence. On many of the most disputed points — how frequently Trump and Cohen spoke, for instance — the facts can be seen in phone records.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/13/nyregion/trump-trial-michael-cohen

 

[BackAgain]

People here at usmb and elsewhere have been arguing over and over again "what other crime?" -- yet when the other crime is mentioned they've ignored it completely. But in the courtroom the facts can't so easily be ignored. The jury is being reminded by the prosecution team over and over again, that records were doctored to further or conceal another crime - , an effort to illegally influence the 2016 election.

Alan Feuer
Reporting on Trump’s criminal trial

Just a reminder about the structure of the charges in this case: Trump has been indicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records related to reimbursing Cohen for the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels. Those misdemeanor charges can be bumped up to felonies...

if the jury believes the records were doctored to further or conceal another crime —

in this instance, an effort to illegally influence the 2016 election.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/13/nyregion/trump-trial-michael-cohen

Frankie!!!
CrusaderFrank

That screed makes sense only to very very stupid biased people who believe that one can attempt to “influence” an election (by legally paying a lawyer’s invoice for legal services — and noting it in the corporate business records) — and doing so AFTER the election.

The alleged (and fictional) “intent” must be presumed to have been designed to have an impact ON THE PAST.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Like this? Trump Tower was like a Nazi program. Well kept records.

Maggie Haberman
Reporting from inside the courthouse

This testimony underscores how much of this case is actually about documentary evidence. On many of the most disputed points — how frequently Trump and Cohen spoke, for instance — the facts can be seen in phone records.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/13/nyregion/trump-trial-michael-cohen

How often Trump spoke with his personal attorney is not an issue.