Trumps generals in Kiev trying to sell trumps surrender to Ukraine

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"Reports had surfaced on Wednesday that the US and Russia had prepared a new proposed framework to end the war, requiring major concessions from Ukraine including giving up territory and dramatically shrinking its military."

Trump, forever Putin's useful idiot.
 

Trumps generals in Kiev trying to sell trumps surrender to Ukraine​

You might want to reword that. I don't think it conveys your intention.
Basically the taco is keen to give putin everything that he wants.
That would be nice. I am tired of the war in Ukraine and putting an end to it would be splendid!
Eurooe cant stand for this.
What, giving Putin everything he wants? Of course it can, and it must.
Trump is making the world more dangerous.
Yeah sure, and more guns will decrease shootings, more babies will increase the family income, and opening the border floodgates with insure the nation's prosperity. Do you realize there are other books to read?
 
"Reports had surfaced on Wednesday that the US and Russia had prepared a new proposed framework to end the war, requiring major concessions from Ukraine including giving up territory and dramatically shrinking its military."

Trump, forever Putin's useful idiot.
says another useful idiot....
 
"Reports had surfaced on Wednesday that the US and Russia had prepared a new proposed framework to end the war, requiring major concessions from Ukraine including giving up territory and dramatically shrinking its military."

Trump, forever Putin's useful idiot.
It beggars belief. Maybe Ukraine shouldnt have invaded Russia. And Zekensky should have worn a suit.
 
Basically the taco is keen to give putin everything that he wants. Eurooe cant stand for this.
Trump is making the world more dangerous. Putin must have some great pix of the orange one.

If Europe wants to keep funding Ukraine's war, they are free to do so.

All Trump had to do was come up with a peace plan, and frankly, he has. Probably the best deal Zelenskyy is going to get.

Zelenskyy is already in trouble. His government has just been found to be profiting while Ukrainians are going cold. He's about to lose Pokrovsk. Thousands of young men are fleeing the country, and he's conscripting 50-somethings to keep the fight going.

So let's look at what's in the plan.

1) Russia keeps Donbas and Crimea, which they mostly had when they started this.
2) The front lines in Zaporphoria and Kherson become the new border
3) Elections in Ukraine in 100 days (Zelenskyy has suspended them)
4) Legalization of the Russian Orthodox Church
5) Russia gets back into the G-7
6) Sanctions get lifted.
7) Ukraine's military gets capped at 600K (it was only 220K when this started, and probalby can't afford to keep a large army, anyway, once Western aid stops)
8) Call for Russian Assets (100 billion) to be spent rebuilding Ukraine

None of this sounds terribly unreasonable.
 
If Europe wants to keep funding Ukraine's war, they are free to do so.

All Trump had to do was come up with a peace plan, and frankly, he has. Probably the best deal Zelenskyy is going to get.

Zelenskyy is already in trouble. His government has just been found to be profiting while Ukrainians are going cold. He's about to lose Pokrovsk. Thousands of young men are fleeing the country, and he's conscripting 50-somethings to keep the fight going.

So let's look at what's in the plan.

1) Russia keeps Donbas and Crimea, which they mostly had when they started this.
2) The front lines in Zaporphoria and Kherson become the new border
3) Elections in Ukraine in 100 days (Zelenskyy has suspended them)
4) Legalization of the Russian Orthodox Church
5) Russia gets back into the G-7
6) Sanctions get lifted.
7) Ukraine's military gets capped at 600K (it was only 220K when this started, and probalby can't afford to keep a large army, anyway, once Western aid stops)
8) Call for Russian Assets (100 billion) to be spent rebuilding Ukraine

None of this sounds terribly unreasonable.
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This is an amazing development. French President Macron expressed support for the direction of the U.S.-led Ukraine peace plan. The 28-point peace plan presented by Trump is almost perfect, by which Russia will enshrine the policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine in law, in exchange for formally acquiring Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk. If Ukraine refuses to accept the new peace plan by Thanksgiving, it will lose American support and become more vulnerable.

21. Territories:
  • Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognized as de facto Russian, including by the United States.
  • Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact.
  • Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions.
  • Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarized buffer zone, internationally recognized as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarized zone.

 
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Basically the taco is keen to give putin everything that he wants. Eurooe cant stand for this.
Trump is making the world more dangerous. Putin must have some great pix of the orange one.

Fight three years, Russia makes almost no gains, and the Ukraine is expected to capitulate just to make Trump happy.
 
Basically the taco is keen to give putin everything that he wants. Eurooe cant stand for this.
Trump is making the world more dangerous. Putin must have some great pix of the orange one.
Are you and germany still gearing up for war?To defend democracy
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Its what happens when the two most evil men in the woeld hatch a plan together.

I think everyone here knows I'm critical of almost everything Trump does.

But this isn't a bad plan.

The Russians don't get much that they don't already have. They have to give up some of the territory they've seized and pay reparations.
 
I think everyone here knows I'm critical of almost everything Trump does.

But this isn't a bad plan.

The Russians don't get much that they don't already have. They have to give up some of the territory they've seized and pay reparations.
Its a shit plan and rewards evil.
 
Its a shit plan and rewards evil.

Yes, it does.

The West never should have let it get this far.

The proximate cause of all this trouble is when Obama and the EU instigated the Maidan revolution, because Victor Yanukovych decided that a 15 billion dollar deal with Russia was better than an 800 million dollar deal the EU was offering.

This, in turn, made the Ethnic Russians in Donbas and Crimea say, "We're outta here!"

I would make the comparison to Korea. By 1951, the Korean War ground down to a stalemate. Rather than let it escalate into WWIII, the UN decided to a "shit plan" that 'rewarded evil", because all the alternatives were worse.

Same thing here.
 
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In 1972, the United States began secret negotiations to end the war in Vietnam without the participation of its official ally—the government of South Vietnam. At that time, President Nguyen Van Thieu still believed he was a full partner of Washington and learned about the real content of the agreement not through diplomatic channels but from leaks to the European press.

He was convinced that the terms of surrender could not be agreed upon without him, but the US had already made a different decision: the peace must be signed within a certain timeframe, and Saigon's unwillingness changed nothing.

From that moment on, a series of urgent trips by Kissinger began—Paris, Moscow, London—with the same pace and tension now visible in European and American capitals around Ukraine.

Washington made Thieu a formal party but excluded him from the process: his opinion was not considered, his objections were ignored, and his internal scandals and falling approval ratings were used as an argument that he was "obstructing peace." Thieu tried to resist, but the US made it clear that military and financial aid would be cut off if he did not sign the document already agreed upon by the great powers.

South Vietnam found itself in a position where the fate of the country was decided behind its back, and all it could do was sign an agreement considered a defeat. "This is an ultimatum, this is capitulation disguised as peace," Thieu protested. It did not help him.

When a great power decides that a war must end, the opinion of an ally ceases to matter. They can object, try to maintain control, argue, hide internal scandals, but the outcome is already determined—in the final phases of a conflict, the fate of a country is always written by those who pay for the war, not those who fight it.

Something very similar to the 28 points for Ukraine, right?
 
In 1972, the United States began secret negotiations to end the war in Vietnam without the participation of its official ally—the government of South Vietnam. At that time, President Nguyen Van Thieu still believed he was a full partner of Washington and learned about the real content of the agreement not through diplomatic channels but from leaks to the European press.

He was convinced that the terms of surrender could not be agreed upon without him, but the US had already made a different decision: the peace must be signed within a certain timeframe, and Saigon's unwillingness changed nothing.

From that moment on, a series of urgent trips by Kissinger began—Paris, Moscow, London—with the same pace and tension now visible in European and American capitals around Ukraine.

Washington made Thieu a formal party but excluded him from the process: his opinion was not considered, his objections were ignored, and his internal scandals and falling approval ratings were used as an argument that he was "obstructing peace." Thieu tried to resist, but the US made it clear that military and financial aid would be cut off if he did not sign the document already agreed upon by the great powers.

South Vietnam found itself in a position where the fate of the country was decided behind its back, and all it could do was sign an agreement considered a defeat. "This is an ultimatum, this is capitulation disguised as peace," Thieu protested. It did not help him.

When a great power decides that a war must end, the opinion of an ally ceases to matter. They can object, try to maintain control, argue, hide internal scandals, but the outcome is already determined—in the final phases of a conflict, the fate of a country is always written by those who pay for the war, not those who fight it.
The US created the phoney land of "South" Vietnam and the US taketh away. It could not have ended any other way.
Something very similar to the 28 points for Ukraine, right?
Particularly in the point I mentioned in my comment above.

1). The CIA sabotaged the Democratic elections in Vietnam, proclaimed a false nation, and put their puppet as its leader.

2). The CIA sabotaged the Democratically elected leadership in Ukraine and put their puppet as its leader.

You can say it was the US that dictated the fall of their fiasco but in actuality the US lost both wars fair and square.
 

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