Trump's Gauntlet

[Marener]

His behavior demands no defense. Your house of cards fell last night. It is a new day.

Obstructing justice by defying a court ordered subpoena needs no defense?

Why not?

 

[Marener]

That is one of THE most lamest charges. Anybody can commit this if the interrogators are good.

Huh? Has nothing to do with interrogation but willfully obstructing an investigation by refusing to comply with a subpoena.

If you did that, don’t you think you’d be prosecuted for it?

 

[Concerned American]

Obstructing justice by defying a court ordered subpoena needs no defense?

Why not?

Why are you trying to quote law that you haven't the slightest clue of? Please link to your shithouse lawyer degree. LMAO

 

[Marener]

Why are you trying to quote law that you haven't the slightest clue of? Please link to your shithouse lawyer degree. LMAO

It’s not complicated. If you get a court ordered subpoena for something, you have to turn it over. If you don’t, it’s obstruction of justice.

What’s not to understand?

Why doesn’t that need to be defended?

 

[Concerned American]

If you get a court ordered subpoena

From an illegal prosecutor? Let it go. Your criminals have been slapped down. Get used to it.

 

[Marener]

From an illegal prosecutor? Let it go. Your criminals have been slapped down. Get used to it.

You just want people to ignore it, don’t you? Because you have no defense.

Trump could have fought the subpoena in court if he thought the prosecutor was illegal. Instead, he lied to the DoJ and obstructed justice.

But we aren’t supposed to talk about your double standards, are we? If you or I did that, we’d be in trouble.

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

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No matter your opinion of Trump, the gauntlet he had to face for a second term is unprecedented and impressive.

Here is the timeline

1. In April 2016 — before Trump even won the GOP nomination — Politico reported that there was talk of impeaching Trump soon after he took office, were he to be nominated for the presidency and win. Then-U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., said at the time that if Trump insisted on building a wall at the U.S.-Mexico border despite Congress’s opposition, his actions could lead down a path toward impeachment.

2. On 6/18/16, the first assassination attempt of Trump was conducted in Las Vegas

3. In December 2016, five Democratic senators, including 2020 presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren, announced they would introduce a bill to require Trump to divest assets that could pose a conflict of interest in his role as president. They said the legislation would symbolically make violations of federal conflict-of-interest rules "a high crime or misdemeanor under the impeachment clause of the U.S. Constitution."

Democrats wanted Trump impeached from the start because he deserved it

Trump started committing impeachable offenses years ago, a letter writer says.

www.latimes.com

4. On 9/6/17 a man in North Dakota admitted to trying to kill Trump with a forklift.

5. In December of 2019, Covid hit the US as the media continually blamed Trump for the outbreak. Every day the media would proclaim how many lives died under Trump and that Trump was to blame. Trump fast forwarded a vaccine to try and combat the virus, only to have it Ok'd to be used a week after the election in which he lost to Biden, essentially because the world blamed Trump for the virus and its ill effects and his supposed incompetence to manage the virus. After Biden came into office, more people died under his watch with a vaccine to fight it, yet was not held to account like Trump. In fact, Biden accused Trump of xenophobia for stopping plane rides from China to the US when the outbreak first occurred. Then to add insult to injury, Biden mandated the Trump vaccine as he used it to club dissent from the Trump supporters and never gave Trump the credit for the vaccine in the first place.

6. On 1/16/20 the first articles of impeachment were passed by the House for Obstruction of Justice over a Russian collusion charge that took an investigation 3 years to determine, only to have it fall short in the Senate.

7. On 1/13/21, the second articles of impeachment were passed by the House, despite the fact that Trump was going to leave office in less than a month anyway. This was over a charge of trying to of trying to create an insurrection to overthrow the election results. It too later fell flat in the Senate.

8. In 2019, Jean Caroll sued Trump for defamation, for saying she was lying about him raping her in 1995. In a New York court, she won millions.

9. In 2022, Jean Caroll sued Trump again for defamation once again, as he defended himself once again as being innocent and her lying. Another New York court agreed as she won more money. Meanwhile, Biden was accused by Tara Reid of rape which he denied saying she was lying, and nothing was done about it.

10. 3/23, Indictments for Trump falsifying records with 34 charges was presented in another New York Court and upheld, later turning a misdemeanor into a felony for bad bookkeeping.

11. On 6/23 another indictment was issued with 40 charges related to Trump having confidential documents that should be returned, much like Biden and Pence and Obama had in their possession but never pursued legally as a criminal for.

12. On 8/23 another indictment was issued against Trump with 4 charges of trying to overthrow an election

13. On 8/23 another indictment was issued with 8 charges for trying to change election outcomes.

So, what can the Left do to Trump it has not already tried to do? Will they do everything in their power to crash the economy, or maybe hope China springs another virus?

The Democrats have essentially neutered themselves in challenging the election results because they have demonized anyone who might challenge them.

I think it was a mistake by the courts to not allow the case brought by Trump to be heard. I realize that courts have the right to dismiss cases they deem unsubstantiated, but that was not normal court case. The courts had a duty to present the case before the American people to show them if was unsubstantiated, but failed epically.

No confidence, no trust, no respect for the orange bag O' shit. Couldn't care less if he lives or dies.

 

[Concerned American]

So much hatred for a man who has shown nothing but love for you and your fellow Americans. You should seek help.

 

[Votto]

Sure. Because the rule of law doesn’t actually matter, right?

Why are you so happy that Trump can break the law and get away with it? How is the country better because of this?

Trump litigated his plight in the public forum, and the public cried lawfare!

Combine this with whining democrats who said Trump is the worst of criminals, comparing him to Hitler, and then apparently finding no way to either lock him in jail or prove to the public that he actually as bad, or worse, than Hitler, has destroyed your credibility and the credibility of the entire establishment.

 

[Votto]

No confidence, no trust, no respect for the orange bag O' shit. Couldn't care less if he lives or dies.

I don't believe you.

1/3 democrats polled wished that the assassins had not failed to murder Trump and I think you are one of them.

But then, when you convince people someone is really Hitler, then the only decent thing to do is murder him, right? In fact you would almost have a moral obligation to do so in order to try and save lives.

 

[Marener]

Trump litigated his plight in the public forum, and the public cried lawfare!

Combine this with whining democrats who said Trump is the worst of criminals, comparing him to Hitler, and then apparently finding no way to either lock him in jail or prove to the public that he actually as bad, or worse, than Hitler, has destroyed your credibility and the credibility of the entire establishment.

There’s a reason that we don’t try people by public opinion. That’s a terrible system of justice and our founders would be appalled at the idea.

You guys never cared about the evidence anyways and told yourself lies to excuse his criminal behavior.

 

[Votto]

There’s a reason that we don’t try people by public opinion. That’s a terrible system of justice and our founders would be appalled at the idea.

You guys never cared about the evidence anyways and told yourself lies to excuse his criminal behavior.

Trump had both a court of law and the court of public opinion.

So what? When the court of law is seen to be "unfair" like turning a misdemeanor into a felony to target a political opponent you swore publicly to destroy before any charges were filed, then the public has a right to cry foul.

 

[Marener]

Trump had both a court of law and the court of public opinion.

So what? When the court of law is seen to be "unfair" like turning a misdemeanor into a felony to target a political opponent you swore publicly to destroy before any charges were filed, then the public has a right to cry foul.

Nothing about the classified documents was unfair. He was actually given every opportunity to comply with the government but he chose to commit felonies instead. No one targeted him for it. It was his own making.

 

[Votto]

Nothing about the classified documents was unfair. He was actually given every opportunity to comply with the government but he chose to commit felonies instead. No one targeted him for it. It was his own making.

Sure there was. Biden had them to, only, no one gave a damn. Pence also had them, and no one gave a damn.

In fact, Biden had them as a Senator when only the President should have had them, yet no one gives a damn.

Guess what, with such hypocrisy, no one gives a damn.

 

[Marener]

Sure there was. Biden had them to, only, no one gave a damn. Pence also had them, and no one gave a damn.

In fact, Biden had them as a Senator when only the President should have had them, yet no one gives a damn.

Guess what, with such hypocrisy, no one gives a damn.

If Trump would have just given the documents back as Biden and Pence had done, that would have been the end of it.

The problem is that Trump didn't do that. He hid them and lied about having returned them. This is obstruction of justice and witness tampering. Why are you okay with that?

 

[Concerned American]

There’s a reason that we don’t try people by public opinion. That’s a terrible system of justice and our founders would be appalled at the idea.

You guys never cared about the evidence anyways and told yourself lies to excuse his criminal behavior.

Finding people liable for crimes that have never been charged or tried is lawfare. Manufacturing crimes where none exist with no victims is lawfare. Manufacturing collusion charges where none exists is malfeasance. Creating scam impeachments with no evidence is malfeasance. Accusing multiple people of a crime that has never been charged and incarcerating them is miscarriage of justice and summarily executing American citizens for the crime of trespassing is MURDER under the cover of authority. You guys never cared about evidence and every last one of you are guilty of criminal behavior. Try again fascist.

 

[Concerned American]

Sure there was. Biden had them to, only, no one gave a damn. Pence also had them, and no one gave a damn.

In fact, Biden had them as a Senator when only the President should have had them, yet no one gives a damn.

Guess what, with such hypocrisy, no one gives a damn.

Last night's vote was a referendum on your point!

 

[Marener]

Finding people liable for crimes that have never been charged or tried is lawfare. Manufacturing crimes where none exist with no victims is lawfare. Manufacturing collusion charges where none exists is malfeasance. Creating scam impeachments with no evidence is malfeasance. Accusing multiple people of a crime that has never been charged and incarcerating them is miscarriage of justice and summarily executing American citizens for the crime of trespassing is MURDER under the cover of authority. You guys never cared about evidence and every last one of you are guilty of criminal behavior. Try again fascist.

People are prosecuted for having classified documents all the time. People are prosecuted for obstruction of justice all the time. People are prosecuted for witness tampering all the time. You're delusional.

Crimes were not manufactured. Trump chose to commit these acts.

Fascists are the ones who make sure the justice system excuses their behavior and punishes their enemies. That's exactly what Trump and his cult followers are doing.

 

[whitehall]

Pretty ironic that an attempt on Trump's life, although it was relatively ignored in the media) was an issue in his historic victory.

 

[Concerned American]

People are prosecuted for having classified documents all the time.

LMAO, your house of cards collapses a bit more every day. Haven't you heard? Jack Smith, the illegal prosecutor, has resigned effective immediately. His boss, Merrick Garland, will be forcibly retired on Jan. 20.