Trump's 4% GDP growth promise update

[Harpy Eagle]

He is hopeless. I used his own standard for what constitutes a lie so he had to shift paths once again to keep defending Trump.

Going by Correll’s standards the prince from Nigeria that wants to give you 25 million dollars is not lying.

You are using a reason I gave in one specific example as an universal standard. That is ironically dishonest of you.


YOur pretense that you do not understand the concept of discernment is you literally being insane.

You use the same standard for every Trump statement you have been asked about. I applied that same standard to someone other than Trump and I now insane...literally...which I assume to mean you believe me to be insane. Or was that just hyperbole?

Sorry, you're jumping around a lot. I thought you were referring to one specific example, where I said that I did not find it to be a lie because it was so lacking in credibility, that it was not a serious attempt to deceive.


But yes, as a general rule, a complete lack of credibility is a strong indicator that a statement might be hyperbole.


Context matters, of course.


Your desire to nail everything down to black and white, demanding a specific rule or two, while ignoring the massive complexity in normal human communication,


is either insane or dishonest.

It is you that gave the two rules for something being a lie, all I did was apply them outside of the realm of your god in the White House.

But now that you have added in the complexity of human communication...is it not only expected but also normal that different people viewing the same thing being said might come away with different opinions of what was said?

Is the opinion he is lying any less valid than your view that he just says a lot of things he does not mean?

Yes, because you are being absurd in the pursuit of a partisan point, while I am not being absurd, nor in the pursuit of a political point.

Which is nothing more than your opinion, and considering you are 100 times more political than I am...it is a faulty opinion.

 

[Correll]

You are using a reason I gave in one specific example as an universal standard. That is ironically dishonest of you.


YOur pretense that you do not understand the concept of discernment is you literally being insane.

You use the same standard for every Trump statement you have been asked about. I applied that same standard to someone other than Trump and I now insane...literally...which I assume to mean you believe me to be insane. Or was that just hyperbole?

Sorry, you're jumping around a lot. I thought you were referring to one specific example, where I said that I did not find it to be a lie because it was so lacking in credibility, that it was not a serious attempt to deceive.


But yes, as a general rule, a complete lack of credibility is a strong indicator that a statement might be hyperbole.


Context matters, of course.


Your desire to nail everything down to black and white, demanding a specific rule or two, while ignoring the massive complexity in normal human communication,


is either insane or dishonest.

It is you that gave the two rules for something being a lie, all I did was apply them outside of the realm of your god in the White House.

But now that you have added in the complexity of human communication...is it not only expected but also normal that different people viewing the same thing being said might come away with different opinions of what was said?

Is the opinion he is lying any less valid than your view that he just says a lot of things he does not mean?

Yes, because you are being absurd in the pursuit of a partisan point, while I am not being absurd, nor in the pursuit of a political point.

Which is nothing more than your opinion, and considering you are 100 times more political than I am...it is a faulty opinion.

Except that I have a well thought out and supported analysis, and what you have is a pretense of not understanding simple english definitions.


So, there is that.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

You use the same standard for every Trump statement you have been asked about. I applied that same standard to someone other than Trump and I now insane...literally...which I assume to mean you believe me to be insane. Or was that just hyperbole?

Sorry, you're jumping around a lot. I thought you were referring to one specific example, where I said that I did not find it to be a lie because it was so lacking in credibility, that it was not a serious attempt to deceive.


But yes, as a general rule, a complete lack of credibility is a strong indicator that a statement might be hyperbole.


Context matters, of course.


Your desire to nail everything down to black and white, demanding a specific rule or two, while ignoring the massive complexity in normal human communication,


is either insane or dishonest.

It is you that gave the two rules for something being a lie, all I did was apply them outside of the realm of your god in the White House.

But now that you have added in the complexity of human communication...is it not only expected but also normal that different people viewing the same thing being said might come away with different opinions of what was said?

Is the opinion he is lying any less valid than your view that he just says a lot of things he does not mean?

Yes, because you are being absurd in the pursuit of a partisan point, while I am not being absurd, nor in the pursuit of a political point.

Which is nothing more than your opinion, and considering you are 100 times more political than I am...it is a faulty opinion.

Except that I have a well thought out and supported analysis, and what you have is a pretense of not understanding simple english definitions.


So, there is that.

No, you have what you think is a well thought out and supported analysis...but what you think you have and realty are two far disparate things.

 

[Correll]

Sorry, you're jumping around a lot. I thought you were referring to one specific example, where I said that I did not find it to be a lie because it was so lacking in credibility, that it was not a serious attempt to deceive.


But yes, as a general rule, a complete lack of credibility is a strong indicator that a statement might be hyperbole.


Context matters, of course.


Your desire to nail everything down to black and white, demanding a specific rule or two, while ignoring the massive complexity in normal human communication,


is either insane or dishonest.

It is you that gave the two rules for something being a lie, all I did was apply them outside of the realm of your god in the White House.

But now that you have added in the complexity of human communication...is it not only expected but also normal that different people viewing the same thing being said might come away with different opinions of what was said?

Is the opinion he is lying any less valid than your view that he just says a lot of things he does not mean?

Yes, because you are being absurd in the pursuit of a partisan point, while I am not being absurd, nor in the pursuit of a political point.

Which is nothing more than your opinion, and considering you are 100 times more political than I am...it is a faulty opinion.

Except that I have a well thought out and supported analysis, and what you have is a pretense of not understanding simple english definitions.


So, there is that.

No, you have what you think is a well thought out and supported analysis...but what you think you have and realty are two far disparate things.

Dude, one of you were claiming that lies can't be credible. LOL!!!!


Your entire position is based on not knowing the meanings of standard english words, and pretending that people have no ability to discern.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

It is you that gave the two rules for something being a lie, all I did was apply them outside of the realm of your god in the White House.

But now that you have added in the complexity of human communication...is it not only expected but also normal that different people viewing the same thing being said might come away with different opinions of what was said?

Is the opinion he is lying any less valid than your view that he just says a lot of things he does not mean?

Yes, because you are being absurd in the pursuit of a partisan point, while I am not being absurd, nor in the pursuit of a political point.

Which is nothing more than your opinion, and considering you are 100 times more political than I am...it is a faulty opinion.

Except that I have a well thought out and supported analysis, and what you have is a pretense of not understanding simple english definitions.


So, there is that.

No, you have what you think is a well thought out and supported analysis...but what you think you have and realty are two far disparate things.

Dude, one of you were claiming that lies can't be credible. LOL!!!!


Your entire position is based on not knowing the meanings of standard english words, and pretending that people have no ability to discern.

Sorry, that was not me, do try and keep up. I agreed with you that the best lies seem credible.

 

[edthecynic]

People can be mistaken, and tell say something they think is true, yet are wrong about, and it is not a lie, because there is no intent to deceive.

Again STUPIDITY is no excuse for lying. If you are too STUPID to know you are lying then you are a STUPID liar. If you intended to lie you are a PREMEDITATED liar. YOU are a PREMEDITATED liar, not a STUPID liar, and so is Tramp.

 

[edthecynic]

it is clear from their actions that dems are opposed to any efforts to secure our border.

Now that IS a Trumpian LIE, and you know it!
The Dems clearly want to secure the border with methods and technology that works. Tramp and the GOP don't because they want to keep the issue to inflame their base. Thus they support an ineffective wall as the ONLY way to secure the border.
Your Tramp scripted lies fool no one, not even yourself, therefore your lies are PREMEDITATED!

NO, they obviously don't. For that matter, the GOP leadership doesn't either.


The tens of millions of illegals living in this country, shows that what we have done, didn't work.


I truly believe that a Wall, will help control the border.

The GOP have BLOCKED all immigration reform offered by bipartisan committees. The GOP owns the immigration problem.

By "immigration reform" I assume you mean, various forms of amnesty?


Good. Block it all. Deport them all.

No, by immigration reform I mean immigration reform. Only lying scum mindless DittoTards equate immigration reform to amnesty, as they have been programmed to do.

 

[edthecynic]

Here is Trumps average quarterly real GDP growth rate to date compared to other Presidents:

01. John F. Kennedy: 5.31%
02. Lyndon Johnson: 5.18%
03. Harry Truman: 4.87%
04. Bill Clinton: 3.82%
05. Ronald Reagan: 3.62%
06. Jimmy Carter: 3.32%
07. Richard Nixon: 3.06%
08. Dwight D. Eisenhower 2.65%
09. Donald Trump: 2.64%
10. Gerald Ford: 2.28%
11. George H.W. Bush: 2.24%
12. Barack Obama: 1.90%
13. George W. Bush: 1.87%

Tramp's economy is worse than Carter's.
Thank you.

 

[Correll]

Yes, because you are being absurd in the pursuit of a partisan point, while I am not being absurd, nor in the pursuit of a political point.

Which is nothing more than your opinion, and considering you are 100 times more political than I am...it is a faulty opinion.

Except that I have a well thought out and supported analysis, and what you have is a pretense of not understanding simple english definitions.


So, there is that.

No, you have what you think is a well thought out and supported analysis...but what you think you have and realty are two far disparate things.

Dude, one of you were claiming that lies can't be credible. LOL!!!!


Your entire position is based on not knowing the meanings of standard english words, and pretending that people have no ability to discern.

Sorry, that was not me, do try and keep up. I agreed with you that the best lies seem credible.

Hence my use of the term, "one of you".

And you are doing the same thing, just to a slightly less obviously silly extent.

 

[Correll]

People can be mistaken, and tell say something they think is true, yet are wrong about, and it is not a lie, because there is no intent to deceive.

Again STUPIDITY is no excuse for lying. If you are too STUPID to know you are lying then you are a STUPID liar. If you intended to lie you are a PREMEDITATED liar. YOU are a PREMEDITATED liar, not a STUPID liar, and so is Tramp.

1. Being wrong about something, does not mean you are stupid. That, ironically, was a stupid thing to say.

2. Being wrong about something and telling other people it, is not lying. This is you being so filled with hate and bile that it is making you defend really stupid positions.

 

[edthecynic]

Being wrong about something, does not mean you are stupid. That, ironically, was a stupid thing to say.

Excuse me, I must be too stupid to know being wrong is a sign of brilliance!

 

[Correll]

it is clear from their actions that dems are opposed to any efforts to secure our border.

Now that IS a Trumpian LIE, and you know it!
The Dems clearly want to secure the border with methods and technology that works. Tramp and the GOP don't because they want to keep the issue to inflame their base. Thus they support an ineffective wall as the ONLY way to secure the border.
Your Tramp scripted lies fool no one, not even yourself, therefore your lies are PREMEDITATED!

NO, they obviously don't. For that matter, the GOP leadership doesn't either.


The tens of millions of illegals living in this country, shows that what we have done, didn't work.


I truly believe that a Wall, will help control the border.

The GOP have BLOCKED all immigration reform offered by bipartisan committees. The GOP owns the immigration problem.

By "immigration reform" I assume you mean, various forms of amnesty?


Good. Block it all. Deport them all.

No, by immigration reform I mean immigration reform. Only lying scum mindless DittoTards equate immigration reform to amnesty, as they have been programmed to do.

I have spend many hours debating with libsl that claim to be in favor of border control, but if you push them, in ever single instance, they won't actually support any real enforcement of any rules, or really deport anyone.

You are all liars.

 

[Correll]

Being wrong about something, does not mean you are stupid. That, ironically, was a stupid thing to say.

Excuse me, I must be too stupid to know being wrong is a sign of brilliance!

Not being stupid, is not being brilliant.


That was also a stupid thing of you to say.


I have driven you to absurdity, in your attempts to defend your stupid position.


Every post you make at this point, is you losing and me winning.

 

[edthecynic]

Now that IS a Trumpian LIE, and you know it!
The Dems clearly want to secure the border with methods and technology that works. Tramp and the GOP don't because they want to keep the issue to inflame their base. Thus they support an ineffective wall as the ONLY way to secure the border.
Your Tramp scripted lies fool no one, not even yourself, therefore your lies are PREMEDITATED!

NO, they obviously don't. For that matter, the GOP leadership doesn't either.


The tens of millions of illegals living in this country, shows that what we have done, didn't work.


I truly believe that a Wall, will help control the border.

The GOP have BLOCKED all immigration reform offered by bipartisan committees. The GOP owns the immigration problem.

By "immigration reform" I assume you mean, various forms of amnesty?


Good. Block it all. Deport them all.

No, by immigration reform I mean immigration reform. Only lying scum mindless DittoTards equate immigration reform to amnesty, as they have been programmed to do.

I have spend many hours debating with libsl that claim to be in favor of border control, but if you push them, in ever single instance, they won't actually support any real enforcement of any rules, or really deport anyone.

You are all liars.

You are projecting again. The Libs want the drug dealers and MS13 deported not working families. How many MS13 did Tramp snare in his ICE raid of 680 working families?
NONE!

 

[edthecynic]

Being wrong about something, does not mean you are stupid. That, ironically, was a stupid thing to say.

Excuse me, I must be too stupid to know being wrong is a sign of brilliance!

Not being stupid, is not being brilliant.


That was also a stupid thing of you to say.


I have driven you to absurdity, in your attempts to defend your stupid position.


Every post you make at this point, is you losing and me winning.

Does it make you feel smarter when you call yourself a "winner?"

 

[basquebromance]

when Trump got elected, i sold all my stocks.

i suggest y'all do the same!

 

[Correll]

NO, they obviously don't. For that matter, the GOP leadership doesn't either.


The tens of millions of illegals living in this country, shows that what we have done, didn't work.


I truly believe that a Wall, will help control the border.

The GOP have BLOCKED all immigration reform offered by bipartisan committees. The GOP owns the immigration problem.

By "immigration reform" I assume you mean, various forms of amnesty?


Good. Block it all. Deport them all.

No, by immigration reform I mean immigration reform. Only lying scum mindless DittoTards equate immigration reform to amnesty, as they have been programmed to do.

I have spend many hours debating with libsl that claim to be in favor of border control, but if you push them, in ever single instance, they won't actually support any real enforcement of any rules, or really deport anyone.

You are all liars.

You are projecting again. The Libs want the drug dealers and MS13 deported not working families. How many MS13 did Tramp snare in his ICE raid of 680 working families?
NONE!

You just demonstrated my point.

Any enforcement of immigration policy would require that illegal aliens be DEPORTED.


You just admitted that you don't support that, except in the case of the worst of violent criminals.


Thus, you want the vast majority of illegals to be allowed to stay.


That, is not supporting border control. You are deluded.

 

[Correll]

Being wrong about something, does not mean you are stupid. That, ironically, was a stupid thing to say.

Excuse me, I must be too stupid to know being wrong is a sign of brilliance!

Not being stupid, is not being brilliant.


That was also a stupid thing of you to say.


I have driven you to absurdity, in your attempts to defend your stupid position.


Every post you make at this point, is you losing and me winning.

Does it make you feel smarter when you call yourself a "winner?"

No, but I do get some validation from the actual winning.


And lets face it, every time you say something like,


"I must be too stupid to know being wrong is a sign of brilliance! "



You are demonstrated for any rational observer, that I have forced you into a box logically, and you are in total stonewall mode against a Truth that you can't refute or even deny in any sane way.

 

[SweetTea]

when Trump got elected, i sold all my stocks.

i suggest y'all do the same!

That wasn't very smart now was it? If one of the left-wing kooks looks like they will win in 2020, I will be out as will many Americans and the market will tank...kind of the opposite of what happened when Trump got elected.

Many economists have let their left-wing ideology poison their economic theories to a point where they simply don't work anymore on a micro or macro level. Fortunaltely for me, I don't listen to those loonies and have done very well since the election.

 

[edthecynic]

The GOP have BLOCKED all immigration reform offered by bipartisan committees. The GOP owns the immigration problem.

By "immigration reform" I assume you mean, various forms of amnesty?


Good. Block it all. Deport them all.

No, by immigration reform I mean immigration reform. Only lying scum mindless DittoTards equate immigration reform to amnesty, as they have been programmed to do.

I have spend many hours debating with libsl that claim to be in favor of border control, but if you push them, in ever single instance, they won't actually support any real enforcement of any rules, or really deport anyone.

You are all liars.

You are projecting again. The Libs want the drug dealers and MS13 deported not working families. How many MS13 did Tramp snare in his ICE raid of 680 working families?
NONE!

You just demonstrated my point.

Any enforcement of immigration policy would require that illegal aliens be DEPORTED.


You just admitted that you don't support that, except in the case of the worst of violent criminals.


Thus, you want the vast majority of illegals to be allowed to stay.


That, is not supporting border control. You are deluded.

No, that is your perversion of what I said. As you well know, ICE has limited resources, so the intelligent thing to do is use those limited resources to remove the worst first and deal with the hard working families later.