Trump Wins YUGE in a Government Shutdown

[jc456]

Boom.

Why indeed.

Shut it down. And keep it shut down.

This is like a troll post, right? You are really not this stupid, it is just an act?

When I was in the Corps stationed in Okinawa when a typhoon would could all non-essential personnel were restricted to the barracks. By this stupid view of yours none of those people were needed, ever.

No wonder so many of you idiots voted for Trump, you have the IQ of a loaf of bread.

imagine that 64 million loafs of bread. It is amazing.

64 million loaves of bread is an amazing image... still, they are intellectually useless.

the fact you think 64 million people are loafs of bread says much about you.

you are the one who brought 64 million loaves into the picture, you also can't even spell it. I bet a loaf of bread can't spell "loaves" either

no, no poindexter, you said trump voters were like loaves of bread. well 64 million voted for trump. so it's you old boy. And you don't remember what you wrote.

 

[jc456]

They always do get the back pay. There are not enough politicians that would commit the political suicide that would be not paying people because they could not come to an agreement. Imagine how that would play out when the ran for reelection.

Still inconvenient, unnecessary, and an overall hit to the economy.

how so a hit on the economy. explain what will happen?

Well, first off you are paying people for work they did not do. Second, if it is an extended shutdown people will miss paydays and they will not have the extra money to spend doing things like eating out buying things, so those stores and shops will take a hit. That money will never come back, you cannot make up for two weeks of no customers at restaurant or store.

who won't get paid and who won't work? You're confused. I'll be working and getting paid.

government shutdown means a lot of government workers have no work, ya nut.

will they be missed though?

 

[debbiedowner]

Will Trump play golf during the shutdown?

Sure he will and McConnell and Ryan will keeps his balls clean for him.

 

[busybee01]

He promised to repeal the ACA in his first month, investigate Hillary and "lock her up", get rid of ISIS in the first month, ban Muslims in the first month and start building the Wall with Mexican pesos, too. So far he's got a SCOTUS appt. and that is it. He's a massive **** up of intergalactic proportions.

Bulllshit. WaPo says he'd whip the psychotic witch AGAIN if the election was held tomorrow.

He promised to repeal the ACA in his first month, investigate Hillary and "lock her up", get rid of ISIS in the first month, ban Muslims in the first month and start building the Wall with Mexican pesos, too. So far he's got a SCOTUS appt. and that is it. He's a massive **** up of intergalactic proportions.

Bulllshit. WaPo says he'd whip the psychotic witch AGAIN if the election was held tomorrow.

The left presents that as if it's a win for their side. "Trump would only have won by XXX instead of XXX percentage points".

Takeaway...you still lost, you losers.

If I read it right, Trump whips her 43-40. And remember, he's deported several thousand of her Kali voters.

That is not entirely true. The Washington Post poll made a conjecture. They asked Clinton and Trump voters whether they would vote for their candidate again. Trump had 96% while Clinton got 86%. Using that they got 43-40. There are several questions that can be asked over whether that is accurate.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Still inconvenient, unnecessary, and an overall hit to the economy.

how so a hit on the economy. explain what will happen?

Well, first off you are paying people for work they did not do. Second, if it is an extended shutdown people will miss paydays and they will not have the extra money to spend doing things like eating out buying things, so those stores and shops will take a hit. That money will never come back, you cannot make up for two weeks of no customers at restaurant or store.

who won't get paid and who won't work? You're confused. I'll be working and getting paid.

government shutdown means a lot of government workers have no work, ya nut.

will they be missed though?

Yes, they will be missed. Maybe not by you, but then again if you did not come to work I would not miss you.

 

[jc456]

how so a hit on the economy. explain what will happen?

Well, first off you are paying people for work they did not do. Second, if it is an extended shutdown people will miss paydays and they will not have the extra money to spend doing things like eating out buying things, so those stores and shops will take a hit. That money will never come back, you cannot make up for two weeks of no customers at restaurant or store.

who won't get paid and who won't work? You're confused. I'll be working and getting paid.

government shutdown means a lot of government workers have no work, ya nut.

will they be missed though?

Yes, they will be missed. Maybe not by you, but then again if you did not come to work I would not miss you.

why would you miss them?

 

[debbiedowner]

Although it didn't happen last shut down, what do you all think will happen in 2018 IF disabled vets do not get their checks on May1? Senior's do not get their ss checks? The ones calling for the shut down seem to be all for the vets, but what if it happens? You know many vets and senior's do not have money put away for something as silly as a govt shut down.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

We'll see how he & Congress fair from a shut down.

I doubt anybody will even notice. No one did last time.

except probably the thousands of workers who were out of work, unpaid.

Except they did get paid.

Workers to get $2 billion in back pay after government shutdown

yea they got paid back after..


that's your source to support the claim that no one noticed the shutdown?
"As the president has said, the shutdown that occurred last month inflicted completely unnecessary damage on our economy and took a toll on families and businesses across the country," OMB Director Sylvia Mathews Burwell said in a White House blog post."

what a fail.

Yeah, that's what they claim, yet I noticed absolutely no change in my life, nor do I know anyone who did.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

government shutdown means a lot of government workers have no work, ya nut.

Fine by me. We don't need a lot of them anyway.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Well, first off you are paying people for work they did not do. Second, if it is an extended shutdown people will miss paydays and they will not have the extra money to spend doing things like eating out buying things, so those stores and shops will take a hit. That money will never come back, you cannot make up for two weeks of no customers at restaurant or store.

who won't get paid and who won't work? You're confused. I'll be working and getting paid.

government shutdown means a lot of government workers have no work, ya nut.

will they be missed though?

Yes, they will be missed. Maybe not by you, but then again if you did not come to work I would not miss you.

why would you miss them?

They perform jobs that people rely on. Just because you do not, do not assume everyone is like you.

Is your job unimportant because I would not affect my life if you were not doing it?

 

[rightwinger]

Although it didn't happen last shut down, what do you all think will happen in 2018 IF disabled vets do not get their checks on May1? Senior's do not get their ss checks? The ones calling for the shut down seem to be all for the vets, but what if it happens? You know many vets and senior's do not have money put away for something as silly as a govt shut down.

Vets and Social Security recipients will still get their checks. But if they need to make a change or ask a question they are SOL

 

[debbiedowner]

Although it didn't happen last shut down, what do you all think will happen in 2018 IF disabled vets do not get their checks on May1? Senior's do not get their ss checks? The ones calling for the shut down seem to be all for the vets, but what if it happens? You know many vets and senior's do not have money put away for something as silly as a govt shut down.

Vets and Social Security recipients will still get their checks. But if they need to make a change or ask a question they are SOL

Yes we will as any other shutdown, but what IF? The senate will go dem and President 2020 dem. Congress up in the air.

 

[Aries]

Well, first off you are paying people for work they did not do. Second, if it is an extended shutdown people will miss paydays and they will not have the extra money to spend doing things like eating out buying things, so those stores and shops will take a hit. That money will never come back, you cannot make up for two weeks of no customers at restaurant or store.

who won't get paid and who won't work? You're confused. I'll be working and getting paid.

government shutdown means a lot of government workers have no work, ya nut.

will they be missed though?

Yes, they will be missed. Maybe not by you, but then again if you did not come to work I would not miss you.

why would you miss them?

Let me help you figure this out...all those people that patrol your precious borders are gov workers. What do you think happens if they don't go to work?

 

[rightwinger]

who won't get paid and who won't work? You're confused. I'll be working and getting paid.

government shutdown means a lot of government workers have no work, ya nut.

will they be missed though?

Yes, they will be missed. Maybe not by you, but then again if you did not come to work I would not miss you.

why would you miss them?

Let me help you figure this out...all those people that patrol your precious borders are gov workers. What do you think happens if they don't go to work?

They are security forces and considered essential
They will not be paid until the shutdown is over

 

[bripat9643]

what does this mean? Money is still available, you know this right? Money may not be available for everything, you know this right? So, it seems if you don't have enough money coming in, some functions must be dealt with to match the incoming funds. Why is this so difficult for leftwingers? Cut some spending? you know this is an option right?

what does this mean?

ahh humor me. As simple as you might think that is, it made absolutely no sense. The president doesn't have anything to do with the congress vote.

Okay....

To remind you, this is what I wrote:

In consideration of a government shutdown, who the losers are is more important than who be the winners. Moreover, the notion that a government shutdown actually produces "winners" is utterly absurd, unless one is an anarchist. At best, any "win" is nothing more than a collateral impact, and no leader, more precisely no cogent thinker who finds themselves serving as a leader, aims not for genuine wins, but rather for collateral "damage/gains" and thereby chooses their course of action to achieve those ancillary outcomes. Not even the most risky and outlandish political strategists posit ideas forged upon the notion of "winning as a result of shutting down the government."​

What that paragraph means is that:

• In the context of evaluating the impacts of a government shutdown, who wins matters less than does who loses.
• It is specious and sophistic to classify as a "presidential win" the outcomes of a government shutdown.
• Policy makers, responsible presidents who care about their country, don't make their decisions based on ancillary outcomes and consequences of shutting down the government; they decide based on the primary, maybe secondary, outcomes and consequences, and the tertiary, quaternary, quinary, etc. ones just "are what they are." Responsible and sane leaders don't devise plans for governance, or political success, in which a part of the process for achieving that success is shutting down the government.

I realize that's not all that different that what I first wrote, but that's because with a paragraph as simple and straightforward as that which I initially posted, there's not much a writer can do to simplify it. On the other hand, readers can take a variety of actions to accurately comprehend such passages.

so the real losers is the american populace, correct? when a couple of parties can't stop spending what they don't have, the populace is hurt. Hurt. The populace demands things get corrected as a result. A responsible person does not spend more than they have. Period. You agree? let's start here for now.

A responsible person does not spend more than they have. Period. You agree?

Yes and no.

• Yes, at the most simplistic level of analysis, overextending oneself is never a good or responsible thing for anyone to do; however borrowing, in and of itself, does not constitute doing so.
• No because it is quite possible for individuals, businesses and other entities like governments to responsibly use credit to obtain money, thus the things they want or need to buy using that money. It's in nobody's interest not to maximize the return they can obtain from their assorted resources. Part of doing that involves using existing resources as a lever for obtaining additional ones. (Thus the financial industry's bastardization of the word "leverage.")
  
  I've purchased several things -- appreciating assets in each instance -- for which I didn't have the cash to buy without using credit to do so. I'm sure many people have. Some of those people's uses of credit are/were responsible, and others were not.
  
  It comes down to the borrower's ability to pay and the subjective and objective analysis of borrowing situation. Congress, the Executive Branch, well run businesses, banks, and others have units dedicated specifically to performing that analysis.
• Allegorically speaking, there are hugely material differences between an individual's borrowings and those of a government. If you're of a mind to go down that path, you'd do well to know what you need to address if you aim to do so both cogently and coherently. Don't go down that road with me and not, from a variety of angles, know inside-out what you're talking about. (Given the alluded to ideas, I suspect you are vaguely familiar with notions advocated by the Chicago School of thought.)
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I await your essay that connects cogently the thread topic "Trump winning by dint of the government shutting down" with the ideas you've introduced. We've gone about as far off-topic as I think it fair to do, unless you are the thread OP, in which case, fine, you can allow "whatever" to go on in your own thread.

I don't see Trump being hurt at all if the government shutdown. That in itself is a win.

And I do understand the difference between government debt and my own. Not sure what you wish to make out of this. And in that I say let it shut down. Nothing will happen. Money is still coming in. They need money they can make it.

Trump is forcing people to take sides on his wall

He will lose

Wrong. He will win. Only douche bags oppose the wall.

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[bripat9643]

We'll see how he & Congress fair from a shut down.

I doubt anybody will even notice. No one did last time.

except probably the thousands of workers who were out of work, unpaid.

Aside from parasites, who will be out of work?

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[bripat9643]

who won't get paid and who won't work? You're confused. I'll be working and getting paid.

government shutdown means a lot of government workers have no work, ya nut.

will they be missed though?

Yes, they will be missed. Maybe not by you, but then again if you did not come to work I would not miss you.

why would you miss them?

They perform jobs that people rely on. Just because you do not, do not assume everyone is like you.

Is your job unimportant because I would not affect my life if you were not doing it?

Who relies on the Dept. Of Education?

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[bripat9643]

who won't get paid and who won't work? You're confused. I'll be working and getting paid.

government shutdown means a lot of government workers have no work, ya nut.

will they be missed though?

Yes, they will be missed. Maybe not by you, but then again if you did not come to work I would not miss you.

why would you miss them?

Let me help you figure this out...all those people that patrol your precious borders are gov workers. What do you think happens if they don't go to work?

They are classifed as "essential."

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[easyt65]

Considering that the minority OBSTRUCTIONIST Party is threatening to shut down the govt if the GOP does not agree to take the Wall out of the budget and agree to fully fund the disastrous ACA, Trump and his administration is in a good position to sit back and watch the Snowflakes lose ANOTHER 1,000 political elections / positions and at LEAST another 2 historic, revord-setting elections.

This is why 67% of the nation acknowledges that the Democrats have lost touch with reality / the American people.

 

[radical right]

Let me help you figure this out...all those people that patrol your precious borders are gov workers. What do you think happens if they don't go to work?

The president though his cabinet and agency heads, make policy of who they determine to be "vital" workers, needed for public safety. Such as police, firemen, and active duty DOD. Those federal employees are required to report for work, even when they're not getting paid for it.