That's not the point, because unless the classified source material is made public, all the Trumpbots will simply say the Dems made up talking points to refute the memo and they are all lies.
It's the same issue as with the hacking. Almost EVERY person within the federal government has said Russia hacked and interfered with the election, but because they won't release the classified info proving it, the Trumpbots still say it never happened.
But Lew, that's pretty much what both sides are doing anyway, refuting as much as they can on what the other side is saying. I don't think we need to put classified information out there to discern the truth, but if so then I can't see releasing anything that risks natl security. I want the truth as much as you or anyone else, but we ought to be able to determine what happened without revealing sources and methods. I don't see why we can't get enough information on the FISA court documents to figure out who's being truthful and who isn't, plus the transcripts of what was said by McCabe and others in their testimony before Congress. And we've got a report coming out from the Senate and the IG and who knows what else will surface or get leaked.
As far s the Russian hacking is concerned, that wasn't the point was it? I thought this whole thing was about collusion, right? Now, how much interference the Russian had is another matter, and whether it made any difference to the outcome is pure conjecture at this point. But to date nd after all this time there has been nothing whatsoever to ie Trump to any wrongdoing as far as collusion with the Russians and that hacking.
You think that just a few parts of the FISA information is going to be a threat to national security? If that's true than the Republican memo should have never been released in the first place like the Democrats in the committee said. That's the point.
As far as collusion? There has been plenty of information out there about that, but none that Trumpbots want to believe.
With respect, this is nonsense. From the 1st word to the last, that Nunes memo has absolutely NOTHING in it that remotely threatens natl security. Schiff and Pelosi and Schumer and those guys lied their asses off about that, and in no uncertain terms. You tell me, ONE thing in that memo that you think comes close.
To date there is also NOTHING at all that indicates any collusion. NOTHING. I think it's you and your side that refuses to believe the truth.
You think it is convenient that Trump made $40 million dollars off the sale of a mansion to a Russian that had no intent to live in it, and that was bought for over $10 million more than any property in that area? That's just ONE example.
The Nunes' memo cherry picks and makes assumptive remarks based on the info THEY can see, but can not provide to the public, and can ONLY be refuted by showing the info that they are referring to.
For example (Purely hypothetical) I could say you told me you like peanut butter and banana sandwiches in private messages. That's against the rules, but some people might believe me... and the only way for you to prove me wrong would be to show our private messages which is also against the rules.
So what we have here, is the Republican memo that should have never been released, and now it's not ok to release the counter memo to show the first one is full of shit. Sorry, I'm not buying it. As a judge would say, "sorry you opened that door."
Aw c'mon now Lew, are we talking about a real estate deal that was done 10 ******* YEARS AGO? And THAT indicates to you that there was collusion going on between Trump and the Russians in the 2016 election? Jesus H. Christ, you don't see what a reach that is? Straws, man, grasping at straws, that is so lame.
I get what you're saying about the Nunes memo, fair enough if they say this and your side says that and there's no proof either way. We'll have to see what ultimately gets released, maybe we'l get to see something from the FISA court documents. Seems like we ought to be able to see SOMETHING that helps us decide what the truth is about the Nunes memo.
I cannot see Trump allowing the Dems to release their memo if the FBI/DOJ says they included stuff in there that shouldn't be released for security reasons. Yes, I know they had 'grave concerns' over the release of the Nunes memo and that turned out to be bogus so maybe it's the same deal with the Dems memo. In which case I suspect that memo will either get redacted or rewritten or the Dems will leak it as is. If it does have stuff that shouldn't have been made public then they'd have to take the responsibility for that if they do leak it. I gotta say though that unless they release names and details that really are damaging, I wanna know WTF is going on. I don't want one side, I want the effing truth whatever it is. I want to see the transcript for what McCabe actually said, I want to see as much of the FISA application as I can regarding the Steele dossier and what else was included in that document.
