Trump was right, you know.

[Harpy Eagle]

Let's say for example, Trump got his way and taxed TF out of imports. So much so that it equaled the amount of the final sale price of American goods. Americans would be forced to spend more for the Chinese crap. Or buy American products.

As was pointed out above, Trump never tried or even said he wanted to tax/tariff imports so much that they would equal the final sale price of American goods. Had he wanted to he could have.

Buying American products means more jobs for Americans. It means more money staying in America.
Economics 101: More money staying in America, means less money the government has to borrow from the Fed, to maintain the economy. Which means that not only the money we have to pay back to the fed keeps from growing, but also the interest.

People are freaking out over the inflation this year, just imagine the inflation if suddenly everything we bought was at the price of it being made in America. It would make what we are experiencing this year a walk in the park.

For the record, a trade war with China used to be something that the democrats would support, back when the democrats stood for the American working class. Now, the democrats care more about tranny rights, than the American working class.

This is true, it was for sure a very "lefty" thing to do.

I would put forth where Trump went wrong was that he did not just start a trade war with China but with the whole world at the same time. This was a huge mistake. The smarter move would have been to get the rest of the world on board with us vs China. Instead he drove people to China's side

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I will never understand this line of thinking. Just because Biden isn't a good president does not mean Trump was.

In their world it does. If you say something bad about Trump it means you support Biden. It is total madness but in their little partisan minds it has to be one or the other, that someone could dislike both men is something they will never be able to comprehend.

 

[Dragonlady]

Ok, so like there's a bunch of containers ships that are having a hard time getting unloaded along our coast, right? The supply chain is causing some woe's. I think we can all agree on that. Maybe not to the extent. But the fact that there is a back up means that we are importing way more than we're exporting.
And when we do that, it means we have less manufacturing jobs.

Let's say for example, Trump got his way and taxed TF out of imports. So much so that it equaled the amount of the final sale price of American goods. Americans would be forced to spend more for the Chinese crap. Or buy American products.
Buying American products means more jobs for Americans. It means more money staying in America.
Economics 101: More money staying in America, means less money the government has to borrow from the Fed, to maintain the economy. Which means that not only the money we have to pay back to the fed keeps from growing, but also the interest.
Which means the value of the USD would stay about the same for many more years than it is now. As in $10hr being a poverty wage, wouldn't turn into $15hr being a poverty wage within 5 years.
Plus, the economical impact of local markets would be better.

For the record, a trade war with China used to be something that the democrats would support, back when the democrats stood for the American working class. Now, the democrats care more about tranny rights, than the American working class.

Also, I didn't vote for Trump. I didn't like most of what Trump did. But increasing tariffs was a damn good idea, if you support the American working class.

Increasing tariffs was the WORST idea and it's been an abject failure as a policy. As a result of Trump's tariffs, and the retaliatory tariff's imposed by your trading partners, the US balance of trade got WORSE, not better:

• Offshoring INCREASED, instead of declining
• Farm bankruptcies reached record numbers in the years since China cancelled all your trade contracts
• Prices increased for working Americans
• The US deficit increased by $200 billion per year.

International Trade

www.census.gov

While I agree that SOMETHING needed to be done, tariffs were the WRONG THING. It was also total idiocy to tear up all of your trade agreements at the same time - 7 trade wars were started and only one of them was sorted by the time Trump left office.

You don't start a trade war on 7 fronts and expect to win. You start by opening negotiations with one of your trading partners, not all of them at one. You don't start by slapping tariffs on their products. Tariff's are the LAST RESORT, not the opening salvo.

Trump slapped tariff's on Canada and Mexico to "encourage" us to renegotiate NAFTA. Canada and Mexico have been wanting to renegotiate NAFTA for years. They would have happily come to the table without the tariffs. But in slapping tariff's on Canada, many Canadians, myself included, stopped buying American goods and we haven't gone back to American suppliers. You've pissed off consumers all over the world, which is why your trade deficit is still increasing.

International Trade

www.census.gov

 

[22lcidw]

If I vote, it's always 3rd party. I can't stand the GOP or the democrats. They've been in power for 170yrs now. And nothing ever gets better with either of them in the majority. And never will. So sayeth 170's of proof.

That's not to say I didn't like a lot of what Trump said. It's just his actions were usually different than what he said.
Example: Trump railed against FISA 702 (Warrantless spying on Americans) during his campaign, because he said Obama and the FBI used it to spy on him. But after he was president, he reauthorized it.

The end result of his trade agreement with China, didn't produced any real American jobs, because Trump didn't address the USD value. Which is one of THE biggest factors in bringing American jobs back. Successfully implementing higher tariffs for Chinese goods would've saved a lot of Americans jobs. And probably did. But didn't really create any.

IMO, saving American jobs is very important. And a very good thing. But to really motivate the American economy, truly increase the USD value, thousands of jobs have to come back from China and other countries. American manufacturing has to also start buying American made products for their manufacturing.
The more jobs we have, the less money goes overseas. The less money the government has to borrow from the fed, to keep the economy afloat.
Economics 101.

What they did is let the middle class that got over paid and the middle class that got underpaid after WW 2 over the years and decades become a real issue with added massive social programs.

 

[22lcidw]

Increasing tariffs was the WORST idea and it's been an abject failure as a policy. As a result of Trump's tariffs, and the retaliatory tariff's imposed by your trading partners, the US balance of trade got WORSE, not better:

• Offshoring INCREASED, instead of declining
• Farm bankruptcies reached record numbers in the years since China cancelled all your trade contracts
• Prices increased for working Americans
• The US deficit increased by $200 billion per year.

While I agree that SOMETHING needed to be done, tariffs were the WRONG THING. It was also total idiocy to tear up all of your trade agreements at the same time - 7 trade wars were started and only one of them was sorted by the time Trump left office.

You don't start a war on 7 fronts and expect to win. You start by opening negotiations with the other side. Not slapping tariffs on their products Tariff's are the LAST RESORT, not the opening salvo.

Tell us how we get manufacturing jobs back here. It is easy to get rid of them when a foreigner is making low wages compared to us. Tell us.

 

[YoursTruly]

Hmmm, 3rd party. How did that accomplish anything except supporting Poopeypants? But hey, its your right, do what you want.

All of those who voted for Hillary in 2016 wasted their vote. All of those who voted for Trump in 2020, wasted their votes. Why? Because their candidate lost anyways.
Voting is a personal thing. Regardless of the talking points that goes along with the propaganda of voting.
My 3rd party vote is in protest of the 170 years of republican and democrat reign over this country.
Party loyalist vote to keep that reign. The two party system we have today, ensures that the same two parties will continue to stay in power.

So in 170yrs, what has the two party system done to actually make anything better for "we the people?" Not a "Got Dayum" thing.

Besides all that, my one vote has never, and never will change the outcome of any election.

 

[YoursTruly]

What they did is let the middle class that got over paid and the middle class that got underpaid after WW 2 over the years and decades become a real issue with added massive social programs.

Explain an under paid middle class? Because you have to earn a certain amount to even be in the middle class.
We get paid what we agree to get paid when we take any job.

 

[jbrownson0831]

All of those who voted for Hillary in 2016 wasted their vote. All of those who voted for Trump in 2020, wasted their votes. Why? Because their candidate lost anyways.
Voting is a personal thing. Regardless of the talking points that goes along with the propaganda of voting.
My 3rd party vote is in protest of the 170 years of republican and democrat reign over this country.
Party loyalist vote to keep that reign. The two party system we have today, ensures that the same two parties will continue to stay in power.

So in 170yrs, what has the two party system done to actually make anything better for "we the people?" Not a "Got Dayum" thing.

Besides all that, my one vote has never, and never will change the outcome of any election.

Couldnt agree more with that last statement. People who voted for Clinton and Trump in your examples did so because they believed in those individuals and what they could accomplish. You vote for spite and admit it.
I will always vote for the person who supports America...protects our border, creates jobs, and enforces the law. That makes it really easy to decide.

 

[22lcidw]

Explain an under paid middle class? Because you have to earn a certain amount to even be in the middle class.
We get paid what we agree to get paid when we take any job.

Government workers are over paid and maybe underpaid. Big ticket unions are over paid and may be violent. Underpaid are people with unions that are not as strong and/or service economy jobs that were promised by our leaders they were the successor to manufacturing jobs making a lot of money. Auto industry destroyed itself but there are many who are living the good life with the pensions and benefits from an earlier era. Steel industry the same. Areas with strong unions benefit those who get the goodies. I tell you.... With fair wages and benefits to employees... we can have at least a few times more productivity and private and public balance ledges improved many times over.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I will always vote for the person who supports America...protects our border, creates jobs, and enforces the law. That makes it really easy to decide.

Which leaves out every R and D.

 

[YoursTruly]

As was pointed out above, Trump never tried or even said he wanted to tax/tariff imports so much that they would equal the final sale price of American goods. Had he wanted to he could have.

That was the entire reasoning behind the damn trade war. How could you even miss that? Because it wasn't stated over and over and over? Because the leftist news didn't point that out.

People are freaking out over the inflation this year, just imagine the inflation if suddenly everything we bought was at the price of it being made in America. It would make what we are experiencing this year a walk in the park.

Inflation is something to freak out about. For the simple reason that it does nothing to improve the economy. The increase in the minimum wage has a LOT to do with all this as well. The minimum wage increase is just a band aid for the real problem. One that the right & left both don't want to address. The left pushed for minimum wage increases, and the consequences are always the same. Wages increases, so the price of everything also increases, until we're right back to where we started.
Except for the fact that it's even more profitable to outsource jobs to China and Mexico.
Leaving America with even less jobs to keep our economy grown.
When you see middle aged people working at McDonalds, you can thank the two parties for it.

This is true, it was for sure a very "lefty" thing to do.

I would put forth where Trump went wrong was that he did not just start a trade war with China but with the whole world at the same time. This was a huge mistake. The smarter move would have been to get the rest of the world on board with us vs China. Instead he drove people to China's side

The rest of the world doesn't have a Federal Reserve that over inflates the value of their currency. I'm not sure if Trump was too ignorant to take on the Fed. Or too smart. JFK tried to take on the Fed. Just sayin.

 

[edthecynic]

But the fact that there is a back up means that we are importing way more than we're exporting.
And when we do that, it means we have less manufacturing jobs.

Somehow in spite of Tramp's failure with trade Biden has managed to INCREASE manufacturing jobs by 300,000 whereas Tramp LOST 100,000 manufacturing jobs over his 4 years of failure!

How is it that Biden can do what Tramp failed at if PRESIDENT Biden is such a babbling codger????

 

[Harpy Eagle]

That was the entire reasoning behind the damn trade war. How could you even miss that? Because it wasn't stated over and over and over? Because the leftist news didn't point that out.

If that was the point then he failed totally by not even coming close to doing so.

The rest of the world doesn't have a Federal Reserve that over inflates the value of their currency. I'm not sure if Trump was too ignorant to take on the Fed. Or too smart. JFK tried to take on the Fed. Just sayin.

But the rest of the world has the same issues with China. why start a trade war with the whole world at the same time instead of focusing on the biggest problem and getting help from others?

Very poor tactics

 

[YoursTruly]

Government workers are over paid and maybe underpaid. Big ticket unions are over paid and may be violent. Underpaid are people with unions that are not as strong and/or service economy jobs that were promised by our leaders they were the successor to manufacturing jobs making a lot of money. Auto industry destroyed itself but there are many who are living the good life with the pensions and benefits from an earlier era. Steel industry the same. Areas with strong unions benefit those who get the goodies. I tell you.... With fair wages and benefits to employees... we can have at least a few times more productivity and private and public balance ledges improved many times over.

Just stop with the "over paid" and "under paid" stuff, will ya. People work for what they agree to work for. Regardless if it's a government job or not.
Budgets are put in places, with wages being a huge part of their budgets.

You're not even addressing the USD value, with is why wages are what they are.

Food for thought: $1000 a month in Mexico, a person could live very well on, 30 years ago. Today, you can still live very well on $1200 a month.
The value of the Peso doesn't change like our does. Ours being over inflated, means that 30 years ago, one could live decent on $10hr. Now, that same $10hr is a poverty wage.
And because now Biden won't address this, by the end of his term, $15hr will be a poverty wage.

When are enough people going to figure this out? Does the poverty line have to get to $50hr before enough people finally understand it? We won't have any manufacturing jobs if it keeps up. A damn whopper will cost you $20. A decent mortgage will run you $5000 per month for a 2/1 on 1/8th acre lot.

 

[YoursTruly]

Somehow in spite of Tramp's failure with trade Biden has managed to INCREASE manufacturing jobs by 300,000

Somehow the left media has created that lie. And somehow you still believe it.

Prove that Biden increased manufacturing jobs by 300,000, without including the jobs losses because of Covid.

 

[YoursTruly]

If that was the point then he failed totally by not even coming close to doing so.

The American people don't want to pay more for their goods, because it's not a simple, easy short term fix. We want it cheap, and we want it now. The trade deficit with China didn't happen over night. It's been growing since Reagan. And it's not going to be solved in just a year.

But the rest of the world has the same issues with China. why start a trade war with the whole world at the same time instead of focusing on the biggest problem and getting help from others?

Very poor tactics

The rest of the world doesn't doesn't have economies that are perpetuated by an over inflated currency value.
Example Mexicans on our southern border come into the US to buy their electronics because they're cheaper here than in Mexico.

 

[edthecynic]

Somehow the left media has created that lie. And somehow you still believe it.

Prove that Biden increased manufacturing jobs by 300,000, without including the jobs losses because of Covid.

Somehow the Tramp lying machine has convinced you that every source of truth is a lying Left media.
Here is the actual BLS data, read it and weep.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

data.bls.gov

 

[22lcidw]

Just stop with the "over paid" and "under paid" stuff, will ya. People work for what they agree to work for. Regardless if it's a government job or not.
Budgets are put in places, with wages being a huge part of their budgets.

You're not even addressing the USD value, with is why wages are what they are.

Food for thought: $1000 a month in Mexico, a person could live very well on, 30 years ago. Today, you can still live very well on $1200 a month.
The value of the Peso doesn't change like our does. Ours being over inflated, means that 30 years ago, one could live decent on $10hr. Now, that same $10hr is a poverty wage.
And because now Biden won't address this, by the end of his term, $15hr will be a poverty wage.

When are enough people going to figure this out? Does the poverty line have to get to $50hr before enough people finally understand it? We won't have any manufacturing jobs if it keeps up. A damn whopper will cost you $20. A decent mortgage will run you $5000 per month for a 2/1 on 1/8th acre lot.

Work for a local government and retire. Then leave. The local government taxes people. More and more and more. Today we could not build a subway for the same price to build fifty of them in a city as compared to the manly men of over a century ago.

 

[two_iron]

The Biden crime family has amassed 6 opulent mansions on a government wage. Plugs makes less now than I made in my 20s.

Riddle me this: How the fuck did that happen?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The American people don't want to pay more for their goods, because it's not a simple, easy short term fix. We want it cheap, and we want it now.

Correct. One of the joys of living in a free country, we can have it that way.

The trade deficit with China didn't happen over night. It's been growing since Reagan. And it's not going to be solved in just a year.

it is never going to be solved because it is not really a problem to be solved. you might notice the better the economy the higher the trade deficit.

The rest of the world doesn't doesn't have economies that are perpetuated by an over inflated currency value.

Again, you are missing the point, probably on purpose.

Had we gotten the EU and Canada on our side against China it would have been a far better tactic than to attack them at the same time we attacked China in the trade war.