trump warns of pain to come

[Woodznutz]

Mexico exports a variety of goods to the United States, including vehicles, machinery, electrical equipment, and fruits and vegetables.
Vehicles Cars and Motor vehicle parts and accessories.
Machinery Electrical machinery and equipment and Machinery including computers.
Electrical equipment
Electrical components like insulated wire, switches, and printed circuits
Fruits and vegetables tomatoes, avocados, raspberries, bell peppers, and strawberries.
Other goods Crude oil, Audio and video equipment, Beverages, Optical and medical equipment, and Appliances.
Mexico is the largest exporter to the United States. In 2022, Mexico exported $421 billion to the United States.

Mexico isn't the focus of the tariffs, American importers are. If importers and consumers continue to buy those imports Mexico won't suffer.

The problem with trading with developing countries is that they aren't developing due to corruption. If they were truly developing trade would be more balanced as their standard of living would rise.

 

[initforme]

The biggest trouble I see coming is the copper wire.
Chinese wire has ALWAYS been problematic. So they aren't going to be a decent source and they are getting tariffs too.

Copper wire and harnesses are going to skyrocket in price but the recycling price won't change. (So your AC is safe)

Construction prices? They were going up anyway due to the coming labor shortages.

Where are those labor shortages?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yep, ive been waiting for this showdown for a long time. Hopefully we will finally see tariffs on our products go away after this war.

Canada is banning US liquor.

 

[JohnDB]

Where are those labor shortages?

 

[initforme]

It's good when ceos have a hard time finding people. They have to pay higher wages. It also seems as if there is a shortage of good jobs.

 

[JohnDB]

It's good when ceos have a hard time finding people. They have to pay higher wages. It also seems as if there is a shortage of good jobs.

Nope. I just moved away from there and the disparity is insane. The wages are generous for even lethargic workers. Rent and housing is high. But there is still not enough labor to meet demand. Most have given up with ads or temp services. You call a temp agency and ask for 10 people and you might get 4.
And that's a huge maybe at that. If you gain a reputation for being too hard to work with you likely won't get any.

 

[initforme]

Nope. I just moved away from there and the disparity is insane. The wages are generous for even lethargic workers. Rent and housing is high. But there is still not enough labor to meet demand. Most have given up with ads or temp services. You call a temp agency and ask for 10 people and you might get 4.
And that's a huge maybe at that. If you gain a reputation for being too hard to work with you likely won't get any.

I like it.

 

[Moonglow]

Where are those labor shortages?

NW Arkansas.

 

[22lcidw]

Since Trump can't get elected again he's gonna take us down with him.

Progs destroyed Malibu.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

This thing is going to cause some pain and shortages, but it's a necessary thing and has to be done to get things right, and then we will all be better off. The world will be better off. They have a blueprint for success for everyone.
What they're doing has been needed since the Reagan days and maybe before..

Give it a rest Marion.

Trump tried tariffs during his first term, here's how that panned out - the deficit went up

Now change the record, this is all getting very silly.

America’s trade gap soared under Trump, final figures show

As Trump tamped down on imports from China, U.S. companies turned to other foreign suppliers.

www.politico.com

 

[Woodznutz]

Nope. I just moved away from there and the disparity is insane. The wages are generous for even lethargic workers. Rent and housing is high. But there is still not enough labor to meet demand. Most have given up with ads or temp services. You call a temp agency and ask for 10 people and you might get 4.
And that's a huge maybe at that. If you gain a reputation for being too hard to work with you likely won't get any.

Back in the day I was between jobs (in my trade) and just for kicks I signed up for day work at Manpower. There were about 20 of us there and about half got work that day, the rest of us didn't. These guys, all white, didn't care what they had to do, they just wanted a paycheck. The great thing about Manpower is that good workers are often hired full time by the companies they worked for. I got a job in my trade a few days later.

 

[JohnDB]

Back in the day I was between jobs (in my trade) and just for kicks I signed up for day work at Manpower. There were about 20 of us there and about half got work that day, the rest of us didn't. These guys, all white, didn't care what they had to do, they just wanted a paycheck. The great thing about Manpower is that good workers are often hired full time by the companies they worked for. I got a job in my trade a few days later.

I, as a commercial/industrial electrician regularly worked as a temp through an agency that supplied electricians.

I got better pay than the "company men" who were foreman and less responsibilities than they had. When I went home I didn't think a thing about scheduling, supplies, materials and equipment. When I actually worked for a company I usually was a foreman...where I had to constantly think and plan for staffing and schedules as well as those things.

I got ALL the same benefits too. Retirement and Healthcare....there was zero benefit being a company man....the ONLY detriment was I didn't get paid vacation. But my paychecks were bigger. Time off was just time to spend savings on day trips to various places.

 

[sparky]

I just don't see much of a downside in protecting American workers, American business, as well as having more 'made in America' products.....~S~

 

[justoffal]

Yep, ive been waiting for this showdown for a long time. Hopefully we will finally see tariffs on our products go away after this war.

Well when we spend 14 times as much money in Canada as they do here and 23 times as much money in Mexico as they do here. Eventually you come to the conclusion that the person you're dealing with doesn't have any respect for you.

I understand the economies are different sizes
But if they persist in keeping American goods off of their retail shelves what other options do we have but to do the same in order to even out the imbalance?

With China it's even worse.... The trade-in balance is not simply demarcated by juxtaposing expenditure totals.... They also f*** us on the currency by continually downplaying the value of the Yuan to force the trade pressure in the other direction.

This of course destroys the individual Chinese household economy by making it hard for them to buy anything at home. But it enriches the elite members of the CCP.

 

[justoffal]

Yep, ive been waiting for this showdown for a long time. Hopefully we will finally see tariffs on our products go away after this war.

Well when we spend 14 times as much money in Canada as they do here and 23 times as much money in Mexico as they do here. Eventually you come to the conclusion that the person you're dealing with doesn't have any respect for you.
I understand the economies are different sizes
But if they persist in keeping American goods off of there retail shelves what other options do we have but to do the same in order to even out the imbalance?

With China it's even worse.... The trade-in balance is not simply demarcated by juxtaposing expenditure totals.... They also f*** us on the currency by continually downplaying the value of the Yuan to force the trade pressure in the other direction.
This of course destroys the individual Chinese household economy by making it hard for them to buy anything at home. But it enriches the elite members of the CCP

The USA can recover from the short term pain very quickly by using alternative sources for these things. It is not even difficult.

Produce can come from South Africa and South America in a heartbeat. The energy can come from our own reserves of coal and petroleum.

We have had a moratorium on Canadian lumber for a while now. They really want to sell the USA their lumber but we have sustainable farmed trees of our own to utilize. And theirs is much cheaper....too cheap in fact because it's Canadian federally subsidized. We warned them before about this but they refused to cooperate so it was cut off. Also they have pests in their lumber we don't want to import into our forests.

A few years back I built a three-story deck in the front of the house. I didn't want to go with block construction so I was looking for three 6x6 uprights that were all 30 ft in length. These were the outdoor treated type. I had to import them from New York State to Massachusetts. The lumber yard was on the Canadian border as I recall.

 

[Crepitus]

Trump said he was gonna reduce prices, not increase prices, what a two-faced bitch.

Well, he kinda said both...

 

[Crepitus]

Good. Trump is putting the ball into our court, where it has always belonged. Are we up to the task? If we want,

Lower gas prices, use less gas.
Lower food prices, eat less food.
Lower interest rates, borrow less money.
Lower medical cost, take care of your health.
Less crime, stop committing crimes.

You get the picture.

It's hilarious watching you kids try to rational this.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Stock market futures down 500 points and building. Its going to be a bad week. Oil price futures up 2.5%.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I am sorry. Make that 600 points.

Canada needs to officially request entrance to the EU then raise tariffs to 500%.

 

[justoffal]

Stock market futures down 500 points and building. Its going to be a bad week. Oil price futures up 2.5%.

That's good it's time to swoop in and buy!