Trump: US taxpayer may reimburse oil companies to rebuild Venezuela infrastructure.

You Trumpist neocons make me laugh. You all said the same thing about Iraq. All Trump is doing is destroying the world order that made YOU well off but because you are a spoiled little brat and things are not 100% your way, you want to see it all come down. Pathetic!

To be clear, you are dropping your previous point, ie isolationism, to move on to next attack, ie nation building, correct?

Let everyone notice, this is as close to an admission that his previous point was debunked, as a lefty is capable of.


Repeat your new attack, now and I will address it.
 
Man, it would be nice to have a coherent foreign policy.

Of course Trump supporters just approve of whatever he says, no matter how stupid or contradictory to his prior statements.

It's "smart" because Trump said it and the MAGAs believe Trump is "smart".

so, you wanted to allow that nation to continue to flood american with poison.
 
so, you wanted to allow that nation to continue to flood american with poison.
I was told we already stopped drugs coming out of Venezuela.

But of course, you conflate cocaine and fentanyl because you’re ability to discriminate details is overwhelmed by your adherence to the groupthink.
 
I was told we already stopped drugs coming out of Venezuela.

But of course, you conflate cocaine and fentanyl because you’re ability to discriminate details is overwhelmed by your adherence to the groupthink.

It's not so much that I conflate them, as I don't care about the difference.

Either way, I want it stopped, and I don't care if this bothers you.

You might want to take a look at this.


It might help you understand why maga just doesn't give a **** about what you voice as concerns.


 
It's not so much that I conflate them, as I don't care about the difference.

Either way, I want it stopped, and I don't care if this bothers you.

You might want to take a look at this.


It might help you understand why maga just doesn't give a **** about what you voice as concerns.



Of course you don’t care about the difference, because you don’t care about anything that would hamper your political narrative.

I’m well aware MAGA doesn’t care about anyone else’s opinion. That’s why you’re a cult.

Thanks for confirming what we’ve known all along.
 
Of course you don’t care about the difference, because you don’t care about anything that would hamper your political narrative.

How does the difference between coke and meth "hamper" my political "narrative"?

I’m well aware MAGA doesn’t care about anyone else’s opinion. That’s why you’re a cult.

It is YOUR side's decades long refusal to engage honestly, that has led us to stop caring about what you have to say.

If you hadn't done that, we would be in a place where we would listen to your concerns.

But you have shown that you are not good faith actors.

Also, consider that if you stop being complete clowns, that someday, maybe, we might start listening again.

It will take a while for us to notice, if you stop being clowns now.

That is the price of your previous actions.

You did consider the consequences of your actions, right? Because otherwise, you are a child. And I don't mean one of the bright ones either.



Thanks for confirming what we’ve known all along.

Ok, that's fine. You keep shit talking, over here, we, MAGA, will keep remaking the world in our image.

MAGA.


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President Donald Trump said he believes the U.S. oil industry could get expanded operations in Venezuela "up and running" in fewer than 18 months.

"I think we can do it in less time than that, but it’ll be a lot of money," Trump told NBC News in an interview Monday.


"A tremendous amount of money will have to be spent, and the oil companies will spend it, and then they’ll get reimbursed by us or through revenue," he said.




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It seems fairly obvious Oil Companies will not invest a dime in Venezuela without assurances from the US that it will cover the costs given the myriad risks this investment will take. Trump did not give a number for the cost because it would be in the billions, if not trillions. As far as the oil paying for it, that is a laugh. The same lie was made by the Bush neocons as by the Trump neocons. Oil revenue paid for squat in Iraq.

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Iraqi oil revenue did not pay for the Iraq War; initial claims that it would proved false, with the war costing the U.S. trillions in taxpayer money, far exceeding any early oil revenues, which were insufficient for reconstruction due to instability, corruption, and conflict.

Trump=W
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Good investment, will result in cheap oil and cheap gas.

Unlike your party that gives billions to Somalia scammers.
 
Man, it would be nice to have a coherent foreign policy.

Of course Trump supporters just approve of whatever he says, no matter how stupid or contradictory to his prior statements.

It's "smart" because Trump said it and the MAGAs believe Trump is "smart".
You think Biden's foreign policies made sense. Waiving sanctions on Iran and driving up oil prices that helped Russia fund the Ukraine war
 
How does the difference between coke and meth "hamper" my political "narrative"?



It is YOUR side's decades long refusal to engage honestly, that has led us to stop caring about what you have to say.

If you hadn't done that, we would be in a place where we would listen to your concerns.

But you have shown that you are not good faith actors.

Also, consider that if you stop being complete clowns, that someday, maybe, we might start listening again.

It will take a while for us to notice, if you stop being clowns now.

That is the price of your previous actions.

You did consider the consequences of your actions, right? Because otherwise, you are a child. And I don't mean one of the bright ones either.





Ok, that's fine. You keep shit talking, over here, we, MAGA, will keep remaking the world in our image.

MAGA.


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Cocaine isn’t good for you, but the drug crisis comes from fentanyl (not meth). You’re trying to paint the intent to save the lives of Americans, but not a lot of Americans are dying from cocaine coming out of Venezuela. Most of it goes to Europe and you guys said it was taken care of anyway after they were shooting missiles at boats.

It hampers your narrative because you want people to conflate the many many many drug deaths with Maduro and it just isn’t factually true.

See, that’s me engaging honestly. Your claim that we haven’t engaged honestly is false. Engaging with MAGA honestly doesn’t produce an honest response. MAGA lives in an alternate reality. You don’t have to believe anything you don’t want to believe. Just label something “TDS” and ignore it. Just say the information comes from “biased” people and ignore it.

Meanwhile anything you want to believe is fine. It doesn’t matter if your source of information is some rando on Facebook.

Whatever helps your narrative is all that matters and there’s just no way to engage that kind of mentality with honest and informed debate.
 
Cocaine isn’t good for you, but the drug crisis comes from fentanyl (not meth). You’re trying to paint the intent to save the lives of Americans, but not a lot of Americans are dying from cocaine coming out of Venezuela. Most of it goes to Europe and you guys said it was taken care of anyway after they were shooting missiles at boats.

I think you are missing how DONE we, maga are, with our anti-American enemies. We have been letting these fucktards walk all over us for so long, that we are not that concerned about giving them... any consideration.

Trump feels like it is time to take out this one particular anti-American enemy, and my response is, "sounds good".

I don't really care why or how.

Quibbling about coke or meth, means nothing to me.


It hampers your narrative because you want people to conflate the many many many drug deaths with Maduro and it just isn’t factually true.

Anyone that hesitates to be ok with taking out an anti-American commie drug runner, is already lost to me.

Again, I don't care.


See, that’s me engaging honestly.

And I appreciate that. Keep that up for a decade or two, and if other lefties join in, maybe some day we can have real civil debates, on serious issues.

Until them, maga will keep moving forward, remaking the world in our image.

Your claim that we haven’t engaged honestly is false. Engaging with MAGA honestly doesn’t produce an honest response. MAGA lives in an alternate reality. You don’t have to believe anything you don’t want to believe. Just label something “TDS” and ignore it. Just say the information comes from “biased” people and ignore it.

Except i didn't do that. And to be clear, I didn't read you whole post and then go back. I am responding "in real time", so I didn't know that point was coming when I responded to your earlier points.

Thus, my behavior proves your accusation wrong.

The reality is that your side withdrew from engagement becasue a. you controlled the means of information and hoped to just shut us down and b. more and more you could not defend any of your ideas or policies.

Meanwhile anything you want to believe is fine. It doesn’t matter if your source of information is some rando on Facebook.

Hey it was your side, that produced generations of reporters and scientists and administrators who were full of a... fire to "make the world a better place" and "progress", and who put THEIR spin, into their professional content.

And by spin I mean lied their ******* asses off.

So, until those instituations are properly purged and rebuilt, I won't be trusting them.

Did you see the cnn attack on that independent reporter that broke the child care fraud story?

Her "fact checking" his story, constisted of calling up the accused and asking them if they were committing fraud.

I'm deadly serious. YOu can watch her making the phone calls.

The accused denied it. To her, that's equal to Shirly standing there, with a camera showing that the building is shut down during normal hours.

That is the way she presented it.




Whatever helps your narrative is all that matters and there’s just no way to engage that kind of mentality with honest and informed debate.

Except that's not true. As I just demonstrated.
 
Cocaine isn’t good for you, but the drug crisis comes from fentanyl (not meth). You’re trying to paint the intent to save the lives of Americans, but not a lot of Americans are dying from cocaine coming out of Venezuela. Most of it goes to Europe and you guys said it was taken care of anyway after they were shooting missiles at boats.

It hampers your narrative because you want people to conflate the many many many drug deaths with Maduro and it just isn’t factually true.

See, that’s me engaging honestly. Your claim that we haven’t engaged honestly is false. Engaging with MAGA honestly doesn’t produce an honest response. MAGA lives in an alternate reality. You don’t have to believe anything you don’t want to believe. Just label something “TDS” and ignore it. Just say the information comes from “biased” people and ignore it.

Meanwhile anything you want to believe is fine. It doesn’t matter if your source of information is some rando on Facebook.

Whatever helps your narrative is all that matters and there’s just no way to engage that kind of mentality with honest and informed debate.
The Biden administration was an alternate reality
 
I think you are missing how DONE we, maga are, with our anti-American enemies. We have been letting these fucktards walk all over us for so long, that we are not that concerned about giving them... any consideration.

Trump feels like it is time to take out this one particular anti-American enemy, and my response is, "sounds good".

I don't really care why or how.

Quibbling about coke or meth, means nothing to me.
It mattered enough that you and many others felt the need to conflate the issue. If it didn’t matter, why engage in misrepresentation? You seem to be contradicting yourself.
Anyone that hesitates to be ok with taking out an anti-American commie drug runner, is already lost to me.

Again, I don't care.
I’m okay with removing him, but at least we can be honest about how and why. It’s clear based on the behavior of the Trump administration that it had little to do with drugs, the welfare of Venezuelans, the law or justice.
And I appreciate that. Keep that up for a decade or two, and if other lefties join in, maybe some day we can have real civil debates, on serious issues.
Trump did more to hamper serious debates than anyone in modern history, but our inability to have serious debates has been eroded by decades of information siloing that started, in my opinion, with AM talk radio.
Until them, maga will keep moving forward, remaking the world in our image.
An authoritarian kleptocracy?
Except i didn't do that. And to be clear, I didn't read you whole post and then go back. I am responding "in real time", so I didn't know that point was coming when I responded to your earlier points.
You have to admit that this is common amongst MAGA, especially with Trump.
Thus, my behavior proves your accusation wrong.

The reality is that your side withdrew from engagement becasue a. you controlled the means of information and hoped to just shut us down and b. more and more you could not defend any of your ideas or policies.
I don’t know what you mean by “withdrew from engagement”. How did the left do so?
Hey it was your side, that produced generations of reporters and scientists and administrators who were full of a... fire to "make the world a better place" and "progress", and who put THEIR spin, into their professional content.

And by spin I mean lied their ******* asses off.

So, until those instituations are properly purged and rebuilt, I won't be trusting them.
Did they lie their assess of or did the just say things you don’t want to believe?
Did you see the cnn attack on that independent reporter that broke the child care fraud story?

Her "fact checking" his story, constisted of calling up the accused and asking them if they were committing fraud.

I'm deadly serious. YOu can watch her making the phone calls.

The accused denied it. To her, that's equal to Shirly standing there, with a camera showing that the building is shut down during normal hours.

That is the way she presented it.
I didn’t see the piece but I know that the young man is definitely NOT a journalist and doesn’t adhere to any real journalistic standards. Right off the bat, that’s a mischaracterization. I think banging on a locked door for 2 minutes hardly proves there are no children at the daycare. The state inspected those daycares and reported kids being there, but that apparently didn’t make it into his video.

I found a CNN article from 5 days ago and it seems pretty appropriate and nothing like what you talked about.

What we know about a Minneapolis day care center that was highlighted in Nick Shirley’s video about alleged fraud | CNN



There may be fraud there, but the young man is not a journalist and didn’t prove anything. but he did tell a story people on the right want to believe, which means no further information will ever be needed by the right and nothing will ever be able to debunk any mistaken belief.
Except that's not true. As I just demonstrated.
I disagree, for the reasons stated.
 
Good investment, will result in cheap oil and cheap gas.

Unlike your party that gives billions to Somalia scammers.
Now you are all for nation building. Didn't you neocons learn anything from Iraq?
 
It mattered enough that you and many others felt the need to conflate the issue. If it didn’t matter, why engage in misrepresentation? You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Anything that could interfere in the supply of drugs, is a reason for hope.

I’m okay with removing him, but at least we can be honest about how and why. It’s clear based on the behavior of the Trump administration that it had little to do with drugs, the welfare of Venezuelans, the law or justice.

People have complex and varied reasons for the simpliest of decisions.

That an ADMINISTRATION, would have a big mixed bags of motivations for a conflict, is ... to be expected.

Trump did more to hamper serious debates than anyone in modern history, but our inability to have serious debates has been eroded by decades of information siloing that started, in my opinion, with AM talk radio.

No. The issue of not believing institutions of information, is based on the bad behavior of ideologicalized libs that infiltrated them.

YOu denying that, is you not being serious.


An authoritarian kleptocracy?
Economic nationalism.

I gave you the respect of a serious answer, pretending that your question was serious.

Let's see how you respond.
You have to admit that this is common amongst MAGA, especially with Trump.

NO. I admit that so much of the accusations from teh left are so deluded that a lot of them are dismissed and rightfully so.



I don’t know what you mean by “withdrew from engagement”. How did the left do so?

Everytime that a rea issue was brought up by a republican and the left shut down the discussion by crying "racism", that was a refusal to engage.

for one set of limited examples.

Did they lie their assess of or did the just say things you don’t want to believe?

Lied their asses off. And still are. over and over again.

Your pretense of ignorance is a bit hard to take seriously here.




I didn’t see the piece but I know that the young man is definitely NOT a journalist and doesn’t adhere to any real journalistic standards. Right off the bat, that’s a mischaracterization. I think banging on a locked door for 2 minutes hardly proves there are no children at the daycare. The state inspected those daycares and reported kids being there, but that apparently didn’t make it into his video.

I found a CNN article from 5 days ago and it seems pretty appropriate and nothing like what you talked about.

What we know about a Minneapolis day care center that was highlighted in Nick Shirley’s video about alleged fraud | CNN

It actually does. The bit where they call up the guy and ask if there is fraud, and he says NO, presented as though that is a refutation of the accusation. Hilarious.

The article doesn't mention that they called,... I think it was 7 or 8 day cares only ONE answered a phone call.

Also, the bit where the woman pretends to not understand that a day care accused of fraud, might not gin up some traffic to make it look good?

Is she a ******* retard? Or does she just play one, on tv?




There may be fraud there, but the young man is not a journalist and didn’t prove anything. but he did tell a story people on the right want to believe, which means no further information will ever be needed by the right and nothing will ever be able to debunk any mistaken belief.

I disagree, for the reasons stated.

The take away I take on this, is that we hear that this is not much because the investigations have been ongoing for years.

Really? When teh **** were the mainstream news going to report on these huge frauds? And when, if ever, where the investigators going to take steps to shut it all down?

The answer is, they weren't. They were going though the motions, while the fraud was allowed to continue. Some specific operations might close, but others would be allowed to open and continue. FOR POLITICAL REASONS.
 
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Now you are all for nation building. Didn't you neocons learn anything from Iraq?

Hopefully trump won't try to set up a parlimentary system, like the stupid europeans.
 
Hopefully trump won't try to set up a parlimentary system, like the stupid europeans.
LOL.. The US taxpayer will sucked dry of a trillion dollars if Trump has his way.
 
Now you are all for nation building. Didn't you neocons learn anything from Iraq?
Yes, we learned we should get the oil if we’re going to do it. Also don’t believe for a second Muslims want democracy.

Venezuela isn’t Muslim.

I know these distinctions can be confusing to idiots like you who think “everyone is equal”.
 
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