Trump: US, Russia Agree to Start Talks on Ending Ukraine War

[Hollie]

He occupies most of the land Russia wants to claim in any settlement.

No, I sound like a realist.

Without actual war and the massive loss of life. You seem rather prolific in wanting to spend Ukrainian lives when yours isn't at any risk.

Grab a rifle and join one of those foreign legions, tough guy.

These leftist internet tough guys waging war from behind their keyboards are pathetic.

Let's hope they don't chip a nail while pounding away at their keyboards.

 

[martybegan]

These leftist internet tough guys waging war from behind their keyboards are pathetic.

Let's hope they don't chip a nail while pounding away at their keyboards.

I want Ukraine to win, I would love to see them get their 2014 borders back. I just don't see a pathway to it besides NATO entering Ukrainian territory and engaging Russian forces.

 

[Kruska]

You think making unrealistic demands is a good negotiation strategy? Do you think that NATO need Putin's approval to make Ukraine a member of NATO?

What are you even talking about?
Did NATO need Putin's approval for Sweden, Finland or any other former Eastern Block country to join NATO???

As for "unrealistic demands" how about your moronic President's demands in regards to GAZA???

If Biden would still be in office - Putin would cave in or at least be willing to grant further concessions towards NATO and Ukraine - since he well knows that he has no chance militarily nor economically against NATO and the EU.

And again - it was foremost the USA that caused the Ukraine war in the first place, it's massive destruction and the loss of at least 500,000 Ukrainians. Just for Trump now to run off???

You are aware that Putin will rearm and reform his military - to then again strike Ukraine???
Well Europe is - and therefore needs every bargaining chip, to ensure a credible security arrangement for Ukraine. With or without the USA.

And Trump clearly sabotaged this necessity with Hegseth loudmouthing and giving away all cards.
One can only hope that Europe will finally disband it's membership from NATO and form it's own European alliance.
Since the USA can't be trusted in any way.

 

[martybegan]

What are you even talking about?
Did NATO need Putin's approval for Sweden, Finland or any other former Eastern Block country to join NATO???

As for "unrealistic demands" how about your moronic President's demands in regards to GAZA???

If Biden would still be in office - Putin would cave in or at least be willing to grant further concessions towards NATO and Ukraine - since he well knows that he has no chance militarily nor economically against NATO and the EU.

And again - it was foremost the USA that caused the Ukraine war in the first place, it's massive destruction and the loss of at least 500,000 Ukrainians. Just for Trump now to run off???

You are aware that Putin will rearm and reform his military - to then again strike Ukraine???
Well Europe is - and therefore needs every bargaining chip, to ensure a credible security arrangement for Ukraine. With or without the USA.

And Trump clearly sabotaged this necessity with Hegseth loudmouthing and giving away all cards.
One can only hope that Europe will finally disband it's membership from NATO and form it's own European alliance.
Since the USA can't be trusted in any way.

Crimea was lost when Obama was in office, and Donbas was invaded when Biden was in office. So the Dems are to blame, right?

 

[Hollie]

I want Ukraine to win, I would love to see them get their 2014 borders back. I just don't see a pathway to it besides NATO entering Ukrainian territory and engaging Russian forces.

I'd like to see Ukraine win, also. But you're right that without NATO and US money / forces, I don't see it happening.

 

[martybegan]

I'd like to see Ukraine win, also. But you're right that without NATO and US money / forces, I don't see it happening.

Throwing Money and almost modern equipment at the problem hasn't won anything yet. It has just led to a Stalemate.

 

[Hollie]

What are you even talking about?
Did NATO need Putin's approval for Sweden, Finland or any other former Eastern Block country to join NATO???

As for "unrealistic demands" how about your moronic President's demands in regards to GAZA???

If Biden would still be in office - Putin would cave in or at least be willing to grant further concessions towards NATO and Ukraine - since he well knows that he has no chance militarily nor economically against NATO and the EU.

And again - it was foremost the USA that caused the Ukraine war in the first place, it's massive destruction and the loss of at least 500,000 Ukrainians. Just for Trump now to run off???

You are aware that Putin will rearm and reform his military - to then again strike Ukraine???
Well Europe is - and therefore needs every bargaining chip, to ensure a credible security arrangement for Ukraine. With or without the USA.

And Trump clearly sabotaged this necessity with Hegseth loudmouthing and giving away all cards.
One can only hope that Europe will finally disband it's membership from NATO and form it's own European alliance.
Since the USA can't be trusted in any way.

The US is trusted to fund a large portion of the NATO budget.

 

[Kruska]

Crimea was lost when Obama was in office, and Donbas was invaded when Biden was in office. So the Dems are to blame, right?

To a wide extend - surely. - it's called US Foreign Policy and exists unchanged since 1899.
So you would have supported Obama and Biden to escalate against Russia - right?

Your Trump didn't do anything about it during his first stint, he even blocked vital aid to Ukraine - therefore he worsened the situation even more.
Anyhow, fortunately it will be EUROPE that now needs to decide, and no more the USA.

 

[Hollie]

Crimea was lost when Obama was in office, and Donbas was invaded when Biden was in office. So the Dems are to blame, right?

Krusty insists the Great Satan and Trump are responsible for the war.

 

[martybegan]

To a wide extend - surely. - it's called US Foreign Policy and exists unchanged since 1899.
So you would have supported Obama and Biden to escalate against Russia - right?

Your Trump didn't do anything about it during his first stint, he even blocked vital aid to Ukraine - therefore he worsened the situation even more.
Anyhow, fortunately it will be EUROPE that now needs to decide, and no more the USA.

I'm just wondering why he chose to do it under Democrat Presidents.

 

[Rogue AI]

To a wide extend - surely. - it's called US Foreign Policy and exists unchanged since 1899.
So you would have supported Obama and Biden to escalate against Russia - right?

Your Trump didn't do anything about it during his first stint, he even blocked vital aid to Ukraine - therefore he worsened the situation even more.
Anyhow, fortunately it will be EUROPE that now needs to decide, and no more the USA.

Good, have at it, we have pressing matters to attend to. People need to be properly educated as to the proper nomenclature of the Gulf of America, liberal corruption needs to be rooted out, and our own borders secured. Good luck, but maybe learn Russian if it all goes tits up, like everything else Europe has attempted in the last half century.

 

[Kruska]

The US is trusted to fund a large portion of the NATO budget.

Show me a Congressional bill - that would have allocated any defense funds for European NATO members since 1990.

It was European NATO members like e.g. Germany and the Netherlands that committed their own defense funds and hardware to new member's such as e.g. Poland, Romania or Bulgaria etc. etc. More then half of the East-German military equipment was upgraded and given for FREE to those new Eastern NATO members.
Whilst the USA granted LOANS for new member's to purchase US weapon systems. How much did the USA pay e.g. Germany for supporting their idiocy in Afghanistan?? - NONE/ZERO. How much did the USA pay to e.g. Germany to conduct support freedom of the Sea missions in Australia right up to the South-China Sea?? NONE/ZERO.

You don't know shit about NATO or military issues - I am involved in this on a daily basis since 1983 and had served in the SADF from 1979 - 1983. where the RSA was also BETRAYED and shamefully misused by the USA under Reagan.

You already forgot??

 

[sartre play]

Putin views Ukraine like we view Cuba.
No Russian missiles there period.
Even worse now with hyper-sonic missiles.

Even without NATO membership for Ukraine, it looks like the deal will include "NATO" peacekeepers but not under a NATO flag and Article-5. If Trump gets the war to end we can manage the peace afterward.

One step at a time...

Shudder at DICTATORS having much if any voice in what we think is best.

 

[Hollie]

Show me a Congressional bill - that would have allocated any defense funds for European NATO members since 1990.

It was European NATO members like e.g. Germany and the Netherlands that committed their own defense funds and hardware to new member's such as e.g. Poland, Romania or Bulgaria etc. etc. More then half of the East-German military equipment was upgraded and given for FREE to those new Eastern NATO members.
Whilst the USA granted LOANS for new member's to purchase US weapon systems. How much did the USA pay e.g. Germany for supporting their idiocy in Afghanistan?? - NONE/ZERO. How much did the USA pay to e.g. Germany to conduct support freedom of the Sea missions in Australia right up to the South-China Sea?? NONE/ZERO.

You don't know shit about NATO or military issues - I am involved in this on a daily basis since 1983 and had served in the SADF from 1979 - 1983. where the RSA was also BETRAYED and shamefully misused by the USA under Reagan.

You already forgot??

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I understand you're helpless but with a little motivation, you can discover the value of weapons and aid given to Ukraine by the Great Satan vs. That supplied by European NATO.

Curious you cut and paste an undated, unsourced photo which you edited to include your childish rant to assuage you hurt feelings.

 

[Kruska]

I'm just wondering why he chose to do it under Democrat Presidents.

Because every US governmnet run by Democrats placed far more economic and political pressure onto non-democratic countries then the Republicans. Whilst the latter usually only came in for the OIL or $$.

This is also the reason why e.g. China, Russia and North-Korea prefer Trump to Biden or a US administration led by Democrats.
Republicans are far more easier to handle by autocratic governments, who possess the ability to defend themselves against US military aggression and use economic means to "buy" Republicans or at least to keep them at bay.

 

[martybegan]

Because every US governmnet run by Democrats placed far more economic and political pressure onto non-democratic countries then the Republicans. Whilst the latter usually only came in for the OIL or $$.

This is also the reason why e.g. China, Russia and North-Korea prefer Trump to Biden or a US administration led by Democrats.
Republicans are far more easier to handle by autocratic governments, who possess the ability to defend themselves against US military aggression and use economic means to "buy" Republicans or at least to keep them at bay.

That doesn't explain why Russia invaded Ukraine both times when the US was under Democrat Administrations.

 

[kyzr]

And now Putin has two new NATO members right on his doorstep. What a genius!

Finland and Sweden in NATO have to burn Pootie's ass.

Putin seriously underestimated Biden and NATO.

Biden had nothing to do with it, self-preservation was the reason.

Trump's plan to end the war is to give Putin everything Putin wants.

How do you know that? Putin wants ALL OF UKRAINE DUMBASS.
Ending the war is what Trump promised, and it looks like its what he will deliver.
Its up to the EU to furnish "peacekeepers" to enforce the peace.
Wonder how long it will Take for Trump to start mining rare earth metals in Ukraine?

 

[Kruska]

That doesn't explain why Russia invaded Ukraine both times when the US was under Democrat Administrations.

Russia had kept on invading Ukraine (during Trumps entire first stint) - whilst building up, undisturbed it's own substantial forces in the occupied parts of Ukraine.

US elections had caused for Obama to be in the hot seat in 2014.
US elections had prevented Trump from being in the hot seat in Feb. 2022 - any other dumb questions?

You honestly believe that Putin would adjust his war plans according to a present US administration?
You mean that Bin Laden chose to attack the USA on 9/11 because the Republicans were in power?
Or Saddam chose to attack Kuwait, because a Republican administration was in power?

Only a MAGA dolt would fall for "if I had been President this war would never......"

 

[martybegan]

Russia had kept on invading Ukraine (during Trumps entire first stint) - whilst building up, undisturbed it's own substantial forces in the occupied parts of Ukraine.

US elections had caused for Obama to be in the hot seat in 2014.
US elections had prevented Trump from being in the hot seat in Feb. 2022 - any other dumb questions?

You honestly believe that Putin would adjust his war plans according to a present US administration?
You mean that Bin Laden chose to attack the USA on 9/11 because the Republicans were in power?
Or Saddam chose to attack Kuwait, because a Republican administration was in power?

Only a MAGA dolt would fall for "if I had been President this war would never......"

Talk about a load of circular bullshit based TDS shittery.

 

[SeaMajor7]