Trump to Exclude Illegal Aliens from Congressional Apportionment Counts

[Indeependent]

Now I know you're insane.
Yes, Indians work hard...because they suck at what they do and have to work 3x harder to produce something that seems to work.
I work in 5 Towns and drive through 2 and 99 out of a 100 Indian women are ugly as pigs.
I work with one who is kind of attractive.

I don't think you're a communist and you have some very good points.
Once again, Reagan, Patrick Moynahan and the rest of Congress from 1981 and on produced the society we live in today, but 35% of African Blacks seem to enjoy getting welfare and not caring about the reputation of their neighborhoods.

Wow, dude, I guess I am happy you are honest about your open racism. But damn.

The racism against non-Indians?
Yes...I am honest.

 

[InstantOn]

He has no right to do that, so why even bother with this topic?

 

[busybee01]

The Constitution says all poeople shall be counted. All means citizens abd non-citizens.

At the time it wasn't considered that illegal aliens would be given sanctuary instead of being deported.

Doesn't it suck for you to have to admit to supporting the dilution of American citizen
representation by giving part of that representation to foreign national criminals?

In last Census, all people are counted.

Not all people get representation, just citizens.

The number of PEOPLE that are counted is used to apportion House seats. The 14th Amendment is very clear on this.

Everyone IS counted.

Person that are in the U.S. illegally don't get representation, since they should't be in the country anyways. Otherwise, you could have an influx of illegals at the time of census every ten years, just in time to get counted for appropriating seats, and go back afterwards.

Imagine having congressional district with 100,000 illegals and 100 voters, where those 100 would would get congressional seat. That's what basically happening in California, on a different scale.

And about 14th amendment, you should research what was its intent. The primary reason, other than balancing representation between slave states and free states, was because the Federal government was prevented direct taxation that wasn’t apportioned by states’ populations. The government, wanting as much revenue for the national government as the states would let them get away with, used as expansive a definition of personhood as they could get away with. They did this with full knowledge that tying taxation to total personhood would have included landless, native-born male citizens (and virtually all women) who, under the laws of their states, may have been just as ineligible to vote as the people who just got off the boats, of their own free will or otherwise.

By the way, when I say "you should research", it's just figure of speech, since I doubt you will do so. You're hopelessly stuck in your ideological labyrinth, and you know just what you've been told by your overlords, with complete lack of thought of your own.

The Amendment is written in plain English. You can talk intent all you want but that is 1 person's opinion

Are you stupid, retarded, or both?

Every single Amendment is written in plain English, but it doesn't bother you lefties to go around it when it's against what you want.

But lets go back to 14 Amendment and see who are the "persons" who are being represented, it's in the first sentence:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

People who sneak across the borders, and live wholly outside the laws of society, are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. They are alien invaders, not lawful immigrants. They are not persons that 14 Amendment is talking about, moron.

That is a question that you hneed to answer. It is written 8in plain English but you refuse to accept it.

"Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state. "

It clearly states the number of persons not citizens. That clearly makes what Trump wants to do unconstitutional. The Supreme Court is likely to do what they did on DACA and throw out Trump's order on procedural grounds.

 

[Indeependent]

The Constitution says all poeople shall be counted. All means citizens abd non-citizens.

At the time it wasn't considered that illegal aliens would be given sanctuary instead of being deported.

Doesn't it suck for you to have to admit to supporting the dilution of American citizen
representation by giving part of that representation to foreign national criminals?

In last Census, all people are counted.

Not all people get representation, just citizens.

The number of PEOPLE that are counted is used to apportion House seats. The 14th Amendment is very clear on this.

Everyone IS counted.

Person that are in the U.S. illegally don't get representation, since they should't be in the country anyways. Otherwise, you could have an influx of illegals at the time of census every ten years, just in time to get counted for appropriating seats, and go back afterwards.

Imagine having congressional district with 100,000 illegals and 100 voters, where those 100 would would get congressional seat. That's what basically happening in California, on a different scale.

And about 14th amendment, you should research what was its intent. The primary reason, other than balancing representation between slave states and free states, was because the Federal government was prevented direct taxation that wasn’t apportioned by states’ populations. The government, wanting as much revenue for the national government as the states would let them get away with, used as expansive a definition of personhood as they could get away with. They did this with full knowledge that tying taxation to total personhood would have included landless, native-born male citizens (and virtually all women) who, under the laws of their states, may have been just as ineligible to vote as the people who just got off the boats, of their own free will or otherwise.

By the way, when I say "you should research", it's just figure of speech, since I doubt you will do so. You're hopelessly stuck in your ideological labyrinth, and you know just what you've been told by your overlords, with complete lack of thought of your own.

The Amendment is written in plain English. You can talk intent all you want but that is 1 person's opinion

Are you stupid, retarded, or both?

Every single Amendment is written in plain English, but it doesn't bother you lefties to go around it when it's against what you want.

But lets go back to 14 Amendment and see who are the "persons" who are being represented, it's in the first sentence:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

People who sneak across the borders, and live wholly outside the laws of society, are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. They are alien invaders, not lawful immigrants. They are not persons that 14 Amendment is talking about, moron.

That is a question that you hneed to answer. It is written 8in plain English but you refuse to accept it.

"Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state. "

It clearly states the number of persons not citizens. That clearly makes what Trump wants to do unconstitutional. The Supreme Court is likely to do what they did on DACA and throw out Trump's order on procedural grounds.

The reason we have a USSC is because nothing in the USC is clear upon examination.

Example...
counting the whole number of persons in each state
No wonder Democrats want Trespasser; no need to be a citizen.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The Amendment is written in plain English. You can talk intent all you want but that is 1 person's opinion

Are you stupid, retarded, or both?

 

[Ame®icano]

The Constitution says all poeople shall be counted. All means citizens abd non-citizens.

At the time it wasn't considered that illegal aliens would be given sanctuary instead of being deported.

Doesn't it suck for you to have to admit to supporting the dilution of American citizen
representation by giving part of that representation to foreign national criminals?

In last Census, all people are counted.

Not all people get representation, just citizens.

The number of PEOPLE that are counted is used to apportion House seats. The 14th Amendment is very clear on this.

Everyone IS counted.

Person that are in the U.S. illegally don't get representation, since they should't be in the country anyways. Otherwise, you could have an influx of illegals at the time of census every ten years, just in time to get counted for appropriating seats, and go back afterwards.

Imagine having congressional district with 100,000 illegals and 100 voters, where those 100 would would get congressional seat. That's what basically happening in California, on a different scale.

And about 14th amendment, you should research what was its intent. The primary reason, other than balancing representation between slave states and free states, was because the Federal government was prevented direct taxation that wasn’t apportioned by states’ populations. The government, wanting as much revenue for the national government as the states would let them get away with, used as expansive a definition of personhood as they could get away with. They did this with full knowledge that tying taxation to total personhood would have included landless, native-born male citizens (and virtually all women) who, under the laws of their states, may have been just as ineligible to vote as the people who just got off the boats, of their own free will or otherwise.

By the way, when I say "you should research", it's just figure of speech, since I doubt you will do so. You're hopelessly stuck in your ideological labyrinth, and you know just what you've been told by your overlords, with complete lack of thought of your own.

The Amendment is written in plain English. You can talk intent all you want but that is 1 person's opinion

Are you stupid, retarded, or both?

Every single Amendment is written in plain English, but it doesn't bother you lefties to go around it when it's against what you want.

But lets go back to 14 Amendment and see who are the "persons" who are being represented, it's in the first sentence:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

People who sneak across the borders, and live wholly outside the laws of society, are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. They are alien invaders, not lawful immigrants. They are not persons that 14 Amendment is talking about, moron.

That is a question that you hneed to answer. It is written 8in plain English but you refuse to accept it.

"Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state. "

It clearly states the number of persons not citizens. That clearly makes what Trump wants to do unconstitutional. The Supreme Court is likely to do what they did on DACA and throw out Trump's order on procedural grounds.

Again, the same question for you. Are you stupid, retarded, or both?

Section 1 of the Amendment clarifies who are the "persons".

 

[CrusaderFrank]

ROFLMOA, Libtard heads exploding across the GLOBE! I CAN HEAR THEM NOW!

Trump to Exclude Illegal Aliens from Congressional Apportionment Counts

Illegal aliens will not be counted for purposes of congressional apportioning thanks to a memorandum set to be signed by President Trump.

www.breitbart.com

Illegal aliens will not be counted for purposes of congressional apportioning thanks to a memorandum set to be signed by President Trump on Tuesday.​

​

Congressional seats and electoral college votes are currently divided up by counting all persons in each district, including illegal aliens. This allows states like California, New York, and Florida to receive more congressional seats and electoral college votes, while diluting political power in states with small illegal alien populations.​

Again. The Supreme Court already dealt with this. Nice try though.

trumpkins are imbeciles

Why do you need to count illegal aliens in the census?

 

[Ame®icano]

The Amendment is written in plain English. You can talk intent all you want but that is 1 person's opinion

Are you stupid, retarded, or both?

I know you know the answer, but does Tyrone knows?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

ROFLMOA, Libtard heads exploding across the GLOBE! I CAN HEAR THEM NOW!

Trump to Exclude Illegal Aliens from Congressional Apportionment Counts

Illegal aliens will not be counted for purposes of congressional apportioning thanks to a memorandum set to be signed by President Trump.

www.breitbart.com

Illegal aliens will not be counted for purposes of congressional apportioning thanks to a memorandum set to be signed by President Trump on Tuesday.​

​

Congressional seats and electoral college votes are currently divided up by counting all persons in each district, including illegal aliens. This allows states like California, New York, and Florida to receive more congressional seats and electoral college votes, while diluting political power in states with small illegal alien populations.​

Again. The Supreme Court already dealt with this. Nice try though.

trumpkins are imbeciles

So that's why the DNC called an accurate voter database an "Existential threat"

 

[Ame®icano]

ROFLMOA, Libtard heads exploding across the GLOBE! I CAN HEAR THEM NOW!

Trump to Exclude Illegal Aliens from Congressional Apportionment Counts

Illegal aliens will not be counted for purposes of congressional apportioning thanks to a memorandum set to be signed by President Trump.

www.breitbart.com

Illegal aliens will not be counted for purposes of congressional apportioning thanks to a memorandum set to be signed by President Trump on Tuesday.​

​

Congressional seats and electoral college votes are currently divided up by counting all persons in each district, including illegal aliens. This allows states like California, New York, and Florida to receive more congressional seats and electoral college votes, while diluting political power in states with small illegal alien populations.​

Again. The Supreme Court already dealt with this. Nice try though.

trumpkins are imbeciles

Why do you need to count illegal aliens in the census?

To know how many bus and plane tickets to plan in the next budget.

 

[Ame®icano]

ROFLMOA, Libtard heads exploding across the GLOBE! I CAN HEAR THEM NOW!

Trump to Exclude Illegal Aliens from Congressional Apportionment Counts

Illegal aliens will not be counted for purposes of congressional apportioning thanks to a memorandum set to be signed by President Trump.

www.breitbart.com

Illegal aliens will not be counted for purposes of congressional apportioning thanks to a memorandum set to be signed by President Trump on Tuesday.​

​

Congressional seats and electoral college votes are currently divided up by counting all persons in each district, including illegal aliens. This allows states like California, New York, and Florida to receive more congressional seats and electoral college votes, while diluting political power in states with small illegal alien populations.​

Again. The Supreme Court already dealt with this. Nice try though.

trumpkins are imbeciles

Imagine just going on the internet and making shit up.

 

[colfax_m]

They said you had to count them in the census, not use their numbers to distribute districts and electoral votes!!!

Whether to include illegal aliens in the numbers to distribute districts and electoral votes was not a question before the court.

However, the plain language of the Constitution would prevent Trump from doing so.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

They said you had to count them in the census, not use their numbers to distribute districts and electoral votes!!!

Whether to include illegal aliens in the numbers to distribute districts and electoral votes was not a question before the court.

However, the plain language of the Constitution would prevent Trump from doing so.

So Kennedy Airport should have 4 Congressmen, right?

 

[JoeB131]

People who sneak across the borders, and live wholly outside the laws of society, are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. They are alien invaders, not lawful immigrants. They are not persons that 14 Amendment is talking about, moron.

By that logic, we can't convict an undocumented immigrant of any crime, because he is not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. We'd have to bring action against him in the country of his origin.

You guys can't have this both ways. Either they are subject to our laws or they aren't. If you arrest them for crimes, then you have to count them in the census.

This is all an academic excercise, since the Census doesn't count immigrant status.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

People who sneak across the borders, and live wholly outside the laws of society, are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. They are alien invaders, not lawful immigrants. They are not persons that 14 Amendment is talking about, moron.

By that logic, we can't convict an undocumented immigrant of any crime, because he is not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. We'd have to bring action against him in the country of his origin.

You guys can't have this both ways. Either they are subject to our laws or they aren't. If you arrest them for crimes, then you have to count them in the census.

This is all an academic excercise, since the Census doesn't count immigrant status.

So if someone breaks into your house you can't have them arrested because they're not a family member, right?

Leave your wallet home when you go outside or else people will take advantage of you

 

[CrusaderFrank]

People who sneak across the borders, and live wholly outside the laws of society, are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. They are alien invaders, not lawful immigrants. They are not persons that 14 Amendment is talking about, moron.

By that logic, we can't convict an undocumented immigrant of any crime, because he is not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. We'd have to bring action against him in the country of his origin.

You guys can't have this both ways. Either they are subject to our laws or they aren't. If you arrest them for crimes, then you have to count them in the census.

This is all an academic excercise, since the Census doesn't count immigrant status.

So people arriving at Kennedy airport also count in the census right?

 

[JoeB131]

So if someone breaks into your house you can't have them arrested because they're not a family member, right?

Um, that made not a lick of sense. Why don't you try to come with an analogy that does, 'kay?

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

If Trump gets overturned, ALASKA should get 15 MILLION RUSSIANS to come to Kodiak Island and count toward the REPUBLICAN EC!!!

CHEATING COCKSUCKERS!!!

15 million hot Russian blondes pleas

 

[Ame®icano]

People who sneak across the borders, and live wholly outside the laws of society, are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. They are alien invaders, not lawful immigrants. They are not persons that 14 Amendment is talking about, moron.

By that logic, we can't convict an undocumented immigrant of any crime, because he is not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. We'd have to bring action against him in the country of his origin.

You guys can't have this both ways. Either they are subject to our laws or they aren't. If you arrest them for crimes, then you have to count them in the census.

This is all an academic excercise, since the Census doesn't count immigrant status.

First of, there is no such thing as "undocumented immigrant"? Either you immigrant, or you're illegal.

And no, there is no logic behind your post. It's quite opposite of what you think it is. If you are illegal, you're already breaking the law. Our law.

And your (non)understanding of "subject to the jurisdiction" shows how narrow sighted you are and your ignorance is self evident. Do you even know what it means?

Second, in order to understand the 14th Amendment, you need to understand the 13th.

The purpose of this language in the 14th Amendment was to prevent states from denying citizenship from freed slaves on the grounds that they could not prove either that they were born in the US or that their parents were citizens. Slaves were not regarded as citizens, and so a person born of slave parents was not a citizen at birth. The 13th Amendment would have ended condition of slavery, but would not have made him or her a citizen.

What the 14th Amendment did was grant citizenship to all freed slaves, who could prove that he or she was born in the United States, without regard to the status of his or her parents. Freed slaves who could prove their birth in the US were thus immediately citizens; those who could not would not necessarily be citizens, but their children would be. If Congress had left open any wiggle at all in this, democrats in Southern states would have used it to deny citizenship to freed slaves, which is why the language, and its ongoing interpretation, is so absolute.

The “subject to the jurisdiction” language was intended to exclude Natives from being citizens who, by treaty, had right of free passage and right of abode within the United States without being subject to the full force of the laws of the United States. At the time the 14th Amendment was adopted, many native tribes had negotiated treaties with the United States that allowed their members the right to reside in various parts of the United States, while remaining subject only to the authority of their tribal governments. The purpose of this language was primarily to exempt these natives from being granted citizenship. This became moot in 1924 when Congress adopted the Indian Citizenship Act, which extended US citizenship to the members of all recognized Native American tribes, and made all such persons fully subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. Some tribes still view the 1924 Act as an abrogation of treaties lawfully entered into.

You know, Comedy Central may teach you how to cook Minute rice in whole 58 seconds, and CNN could tell you what you're allowed to think, but they wont tech you critical thinking or history. Purposely, of course, because that's what you, for them, are meant to be... a simple brainless mass. I would say, they're doing a great job.

 

[Ame®icano]

People who sneak across the borders, and live wholly outside the laws of society, are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. They are alien invaders, not lawful immigrants. They are not persons that 14 Amendment is talking about, moron.

By that logic, we can't convict an undocumented immigrant of any crime, because he is not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. We'd have to bring action against him in the country of his origin.

You guys can't have this both ways. Either they are subject to our laws or they aren't. If you arrest them for crimes, then you have to count them in the census.

This is all an academic excercise, since the Census doesn't count immigrant status.

So people arriving at Kennedy airport also count in the census right?

Some 75 million tourists visit USA annually. If they visit in census year, according to leftists, they all must be counted, since they're all "persons".