Trump to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal

[initforme]

I see many other lesders are attending. This is a great thing, the more voices the better. They can say no to anything not right.

 

[80zephyr]

He'd do a deal. He knows there's no appetite to invade Russia. If the threat looked real, then he'd be forced to do something.

I guess we just disagree.

 

[kyzr]

You can’t deny that Trump caved in totally.

Yes I deny Trump caved. Nothing was changed from before the meeting.
Trump is trying to negotiate a deal and Putin is saying "nyet"

You can’t deny that Putin’s demands are noe Trump’s demands.

????

Nor can you deny the terms of those demands which leave Ukraine prone to eventual Russian occupation.
Nor can you deny that this is the worst case of betrayal and cowardice in the history of the US presidency.

Yep, I deny it. Dumbass.

No.
So, you’re reduced to trying to make it appear noble by saying he just wants to stop the killing.

Yep

Trump never does anything out of any sense of duty or decency.
He has used his power and influence to aid the Russian invasion at every turn.

LIAR

And now, he has been instructed to deliver victory to his Russian master.

LIAR
All you can do is lie, you can't prove anything you say.

 

[TimFitz]

Yes I deny Trump caved. Nothing was changed from before the meeting.
Trump is trying to negotiate a deal and Putin is saying "nyet"

????

Yep, I deny it. Dumbass.

Yep

LIAR

LIAR
All you can do is lie, you can't prove anything you say.

Your first denial was followed by repeating what I had just said.

The rest of you’re denials are just obvious lies.

 

[TimFitz]

Beyond failed diplomatic talk, you have your way. THe war continues.

Why are you talking about this so much?

RW. has admitted he just wants a chance to put Trump down for political purposes.

This has nothing to do with the actual issue. for him.

Are you the same?

RW?

Are you trying to derail the discussion by implying that my views and facts on the subject of Trump’s cowardice and betrayal are just a matter of domestic tribal politics?

Another Trumpster tried that play yesterday.

 

[Independent thinker]

“Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.

Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.”

Trump reportedly to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal

Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

www.theguardian.com

That Trump would stab Zelenskyy in the back comes as no surprise, of course, and reward the war criminal Putin.

Trump is also messaging to his fellow despots and dictators that might makes right, that war criminals who lawlessly invade sovereign countries will likewise be rewarded for their criminal acts.

There is reality in the world. First, the world helping Ukraine is resulting in the constant loss of Ukrainian territory day by day, which will continue until there is no Ukraine left at all. It was happening under Biden and it's happening under Trump, even with Europe doing more than they were. I just can't grasp why the left don't see this. So, we basically have two options, for the world to go to direct war with Russia in order to save ALL Ukrainian territory, triggering a nuclear WWIII, or, to make a peace deal ceding Ukrainian territory to Russia. Any other thinking is simply naive.

 

[eagle1462010]

RW?

Are you trying to derail the discussion by implying that my views and facts on the subject of Trump’s cowardice and betrayal are just a matter of domestic tribal politics?

Another Trumpster tried that play yesterday.

Your Opinions are not Facts.

Trying to end a War is the right thing to do.

Wanting Never ending Wars is BS.

 

[TimFitz]

Russia invaded Ukraine on Biden’s watch. It baffles me that you think Putin was afraid of Biden or any Democrat. Putin knows that Democrats are wimps. Everybody, except Democrats, are aware of this.

Putin underestimated Biden.

He thought Biden was weak after the Afghan withdrawal.

He was shocked when the United States quickly rallied NATO and upped military aid to Ukraine.

Trump fought it with every turn.

And now, he is going to try a Russian victory down Zelinsky’s throat.

 

[TimFitz]

Your Opinions are not Facts.

Trying to end a War is the right thing to do.

Wanting Never ending Wars is BS.

You are building a straw man argument by trying to put words in my mouth.

“Wanting Never ending Wars is BS"

It’s your BS. Not mine.

 

[eagle1462010]

You are building a straw man argument by trying to put words in my mouth.

“Wanting Never ending Wars is BS"

It’s your BS. Not mine.

3 years and going. Perhaps at 10 years your dumv ass will understand

 

[Woodznutz]

Russia is already the largest country in the world, now they want some land the size of NJ? what for? unless there is something good in the ground this makes no sense

The Donbas region is pretty rich in various resources. Ukraine needs them for economic reasons. Russia wants them for expansionist reasons.

The Mineral Wars - How Ukraine’s Critical Minerals Will Fuel Future Geopolitical Rivalries - CIRSD

Robert Muggah is a Principal at SecDev, Co-Founder of the Igarape Institute, a Fellow at Princeton University, and the Richard von Weizsäcker Fellow at the Robert Bosch Academy.

www.cirsd.org

If the region is ceded to Russia Ukraine will be castrated economically and Russia will be armed for further expansion. Russia not only wants the mineral and energy wealth of Ukraine but the agricultural wealth as well. That means taking the whole country.

The only logical solution is for Russia to be forced out of Ukraine and return to its own border.

Putin has grandiose plans for Russia.

"Without the Ukraine Russia is just a country. With the Ukraine Russia is an empire." -Vladimir Putin

He must be stopped at his own border. Are you listening Mr. Trump?

 

[ThisIsMe]

will more sanctions make Russia leave?

 

[TimFitz]

3 years and going. Perhaps at 10 years your dumv ass will understand

Fogging your straw man again?

 

[kyzr]

Your first denial was followed by repeating what I had just said.
The rest of you’re denials are just obvious lies.

You prove your lies first, then I'll prove them lies, here they are again:

You can’t deny that Trump caved in totally.
You can’t deny that Putin’s demands are now Trump’s demands.
Nor can you deny the terms of those demands which leave Ukraine prone to eventual Russian occupation.
Nor can you deny that this is the worst case of betrayal and cowardice in the history of the US presidency.
So, you’re reduced to trying to make it appeal noble by saying he just wants to stop the killing.
Trump never does anything out of any sense of duty or decency.
He has used his power and influence to aid the Russian invasion at every turn.
And now, he has been instructed to deliver victory to his Russian master.

 

[TimFitz]

will more sanctions make Russia leave?

The treat of tarriffs on countriesctrading in Russian oil did it for Putin.
Then TACO relented, and Putin showed up and gave the coward Trump his orders.

 

[Rawley]

“Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

Donald Trump will back a plan to cede unoccupied Ukrainian territory to Russia to secure an end to the war between the two countries, it was reported on Saturday, after details of his post-summit call with European leaders leaked out.

Trump told European leaders that he believed a peace deal could be negotiated if the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, agreed to give up the Donbas region, which Russian invaders have not been able to seize in over three years of fighting, the New York Times reported, citing to two senior European officials.

Two sources with direct knowledge of the talks in Alaska told the Guardian that Putin demanded Ukraine withdraw from Donbas, which is made up of the Donestk and Luhansk regions, as a condition for ending the war, but offered Trump a freeze along the remaining frontline.”

Trump reportedly to back ceding of Ukrainian territory to Russia as part of peace deal

Details of post-summit call were leaked in which US president supports plan for Kyiv to give up Donbas region

www.theguardian.com

That Trump would stab Zelenskyy in the back comes as no surprise, of course, and reward the war criminal Putin.

Trump is also messaging to his fellow despots and dictators that might makes right, that war criminals who lawlessly invade sovereign countries will likewise be rewarded for their criminal acts.

He gave them Finland too. You have a problem with that?

 

[TimFitz]

You prove your lies first, then I'll prove my assertions.

I just don’t feel like it.

I have gone down all these points repeatedly with Trump lickspittles for years.

You know you have nothing to back up any of your denials.

I don’t feel like playing your little denial games.

You support Putin.

Don’t even bother to deny it.

 

[Rawley]

3 years and going. Perhaps at 10 years your dumv ass will understand

Doubt there would be any Ukrainian men left by then

 

[eagle1462010]

I just don’t feel like it.

I have gone down all these points repeatedly with Trump lickspittles for years.

You know you have nothing to back up any of your denials.

I don’t feel like playing your little denial games.

You support Putin.

Don’t even bother to deny it.

I heard you are needed on the line in Ukraine. Snap snap

 

[eagle1462010]

Doubt there would be any Ukrainian men left by then

Seems its a death match to the last man. If that is their wish then so be it.