AvgGuyIA
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I'll let you in on a secret. That's why we voted him into office. Shhh.
Trump tearing apart national parks
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Bob Blaylock
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If that were true, that'd be a very good thing in itself, considering all the damage that Mr. Obama has done to this country. But I think Mr. Trump has already done, and intends yet to do, quite a bit beyond that.
August West
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You`re right about Obama. Things were so much better when we were losing 745,000 jobs a month and the DOW was 7,000. He ruined that. We can strip mine the monuments and all will be well again.
August West
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State`s rights should have died at Appomattox. The idea of 50 different states is a failed experiment in so many ways.We now have a president who understands the importance of states rights.
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Such as?
Admiral Rockwell Tory
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That's a good start!
TroglocratsRdumb
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Obama was trying to help his OPEC Masters
ABikerSailor
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I'm originally from that area of the country, so yeah............I have hiked Utah. And, if you were into mountain biking, you would know that Utah is a prime area to go mountain biking at. Slickrock trail is famous among mountain bikers.
harmonica
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support the land? !!??The federal government claims ownership of nearly 64% of the land in Utah. In a contiguous group of eleven western states, the federal government claims ownership of nearly half of the land in those states. There is no good reason why the federal government should be allowed to claim so much of the land that ought to belong to the state or to the people in those states.
The Massive (and Empty) Federal Lands of the American West
Federal land ownership by state - Ballotpedia
Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?
Doesn't federal land belong to the people of Utah?
Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?
Do the Feds? How's their stewardship been over the last century?
Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question? The answer is NO.
why waste $$$ ''supporting'' land?? that's how you get in debt
in fact, sell it and make $$$ for the taxpayers
''support the land''? it doesn't need ''supporting''
iceberg
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Here's every piece of land Obama has put under protection during his presidency
"Added up, Obama has protected more than 550 million acres — more than double the amount that the well-known conservationist Theodore Roosevelt did. His preservation agenda has been largely applauded by environmentalists but criticized by some conservatives for placing too much land under federal control."
never before has any president had the opportunity to do so until obama went nuts on "national monuments".
harmonica
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find another place to hike--there's more than one--we want gas and oil--not hiking
more people use gas and oil than hike
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jknowgood
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So the federal government, and all states should pay for a park that the state cannot afford?The federal government claims ownership of nearly 64% of the land in Utah. In a contiguous group of eleven western states, the federal government claims ownership of nearly half of the land in those states. There is no good reason why the federal government should be allowed to claim so much of the land that ought to belong to the state or to the people in those states.
The Massive (and Empty) Federal Lands of the American West
Federal land ownership by state - Ballotpedia
Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?
Doesn't federal land belong to the people of Utah?
Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question?
Do the Feds? How's their stewardship been over the last century?
Does the State of Utah have finances to support the land in question? The answer is NO.
Markle
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Weren't you paying attention the last eight years, were you?
My view: Obama's federal land grab continues
By Will Coggin
For the Deseret News
Published: February 29, 2016 12:00 am
With the stroke of a pen, President Obama recently roped off nearly 1.8 million acres of Southern California desert. Urged on by environmentalist groups, the move is just the latest taken by the president in his attempt to lock away federal lands from productive use.
The action supports Obama’s “keep it in the ground” stance on fossil fuels, which has led to a decrease of production on federal lands. So, while the country is in the midst of an energy revolution, the growth has come almost exclusively on state and private land. According to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service, between 2009 and 2013, oil production increased by 61 percent on state and private lands, but actually dropped 6 percent on federal lands. Natural gas production rose by a third on state and private land during that same time period but plummeted on federal lands by 28 percent.
Federal lands could provide a tremendous economic boon. A study by Dr. Timothy Considine, a professor of energy economics at the University of Wyoming, found opening federal lands could lead to $26.5 billion in annual gross regional product, more than $5 billion in tax revenue and more than 200,000 jobs in the Rocky Mountain region. But a small contingent of radical environmental groups blindly opposed to fossil fuels has convinced the president to lock up these resources.
My view: Obama's federal land grab continues
Markle
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Please show us your reliable source and link, thank you!
Actually, you have the wrong President.
[...]
Obama’s move marks his 22nd use of the authority, covering more area than any other president. The 1.8 million acres is his second largest designation, and it may be just the first of a barrage of "monument" declarations in Obama's final year.
My view: Obama's federal land grab continues
Markle
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Markle
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That's a GREAT THING and the Escalante Monument is NOT anywhere you would go hiking. It is made up of badlands and the citizens surrounding the monument in Utah will be thrilled!
Not oil or gas, it contains, in a relatively small area near the center a massive deposit of ultra-low sulfur COAL.
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“Clinton created the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument to close the largest anthracite coal field in the nation along the Kaiparowitz Plateau in Kane County, Utah. The Kentucky-based Andalux Resources coal company held leases on the 3,400 acre coal field which contains about 7 billion tons of low sulfur anthracite coal worth $1.5 trillion in 1996 dollars. When Clinton nationalized 1/7th of Utah, he killed 1,000 jobs and about $50 million in payroll dollars per year going into Kane County. Working class Utahans lost their livelihood, but Clinton paid his expected quid pro quo to a foreigner who could not legally donate money to Clinton’s political campaign.“
Utah’s Clean Coal Rip-off and Clinton’s Gift to Communist China
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Markle
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Cute!
[...]
“Clinton created the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument to close the largest anthracite coal field in the nation along the Kaiparowitz Plateau in Kane County, Utah. The Kentucky-based Andalux Resources coal company held leases on the 3,400 acre coal field which contains about 7 billion tons of low sulfur anthracite coal worth $1.5 trillion in 1996 dollars. When Clinton nationalized 1/7th of Utah, he killed 1,000 jobs and about $50 million in payroll dollars per year going into Kane County. Working class Utahans lost their livelihood, but Clinton paid his expected quid pro quo to a foreigner who could not legally donate money to Clinton’s political campaign.“
Utah’s Clean Coal Rip-off and Clinton’s Gift to Communist China
Markle
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Prove it!
The Staircase-Escalante monument is incredibly rich in low sulfur anthracite coal.
The Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument is a U.S. National Monument protecting 1,880,461 acres (760,996 ha)[1] of land in southern Utah.
On December 4, 2017, President Donald Trump ordered that the monument's size be reduced by almost 50 percent, with the remainder broken up into three separate areas.[3][4] Conservation, angling, hunting and outdoor recreation groups have filed suit to block any reduction in the monument, arguing that the president has no legal authority to materially shrink a national monument
Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument - Wikipedia
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