trump says there's "no price tag" for deportation.

[mamooth]

Not to mention the cost to law-enforcement, courts, detention facilities, and the family members of those who are murdered, raped, or killed by a drunk driver.

Illegals commite crimes less often than citizens.

So, by your logic, we need to deport the natives, since you're all about reducing crime.

Your logic is always very stupid.

 

[berg80]

Perhaps we're going to find out what the American people's tolerance is for cruelty. Even trump put an end to the inhumane policy if separating families at the border. But because of the outcry, not because he recognized it was a colossal mistake from the beginning.

 

[berg80]

Now it’s $1T to deport them? I thought you said $88 billion.

$88B was for 1M in one year.

 

[Rogue AI]

Illegals commite crimes less often than citizens.

So, by your logic, we need to deport the natives, since you're all about reducing crime.

Your logic is always very stupid.

According to what data? Immigrant communities prey on their own, check out the rise of every gang and mafia in history. The victims don't report it. Not to mention, every illegal is a criminal, it's even implied in the name. Try harder.

 

[Rogue AI]

$88B was for 1M in one year.

They cost us more to keep them. Plus you ignore that many will self deport as the noose tightens.

 

[Lisa558]

$88B was for 1M in one year.

And it costs us $150B to pay for them all for one year. So ultimately, deporting them saves us money, besides improving the country.

 

[Lisa558]

They cost us more to keep them. Plus you ignore that many will self deport as the noose tightens.

It’s already starting. A caravan of illegals currently enroute heard that Trump won, that the freebies are already starting to dry up, and half of them turned back.

 

[mamooth]

According to what data?

All the data. Here are some examples.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-have-low-homicide-conviction-rate-setting-record-straight-illegal-immigrant

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-focuses-migrants-crime-here-is-what-research-shows-2024-04-11/

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0

And I do get it. Nobody likes to learn that they were lied to.

 

[Couchpotato]

Most of them work.

Link? Im not saying what you're saying is untrue. I am saying you dont actually know if it's true or not.

 

[Rogue AI]

All the data. Here are some examples.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-have-low-homicide-conviction-rate-setting-record-straight-illegal-immigrant

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-focuses-migrants-crime-here-is-what-research-shows-2024-04-11/

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0

And I do get it. Nobody likes to learn that they were lied to.

That hardly disputes the fact they are criminals to begin with.

 

[Couchpotato]

All the data. Here are some examples.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2014704117

https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-have-low-homicide-conviction-rate-setting-record-straight-illegal-immigrant

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-focuses-migrants-crime-here-is-what-research-shows-2024-04-11/

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-research-illegal-immigration-crime-0

And I do get it. Nobody likes to learn that they were lied to.

So if they weren't here would there be more or less crime? Regardless of whether they as a percentage commit more crime (though I fail to see how it's possible to know that since we dont actually know how many illegal aliens are actually in the country) if they werent here there would 100% be less crime.

 

[meaner gene]

How much could it cost?​

Vice President-elect JD Vance has estimated Trump's actions could result in 1 million people being removed from the country each year, a pace the nonpartisan American Immigration Council estimated would cost about $88 billion annually. To deport all the people in the U.S. without authorization would take about a decade and cost nearly a trillion dollars, the council said.

And I presume the cost will be paid for by tax cuts

 

[meaner gene]

They cost us more to keep them. Plus you ignore that many will self deport as the noose tightens.

Actually the opposite may happen.
Remember all the riots of the summer of 2020.
Crime skyrocketed because the perps knew there weren't enough cops, witnesses, or judges to bring all of them to justice.
And most got off either scott free, or with a slap on the wrist due to not enough evidence (like the video they had from January 6th) or having to plea bargain because they couldn't try them all, within the statutory time limits.

If they want to deport 1,000,000 people, they'll need a lot more administrative judges.

 

[meaner gene]

So if they weren't here would there be more or less crime? Regardless of whether they as a percentage commit more crime (though I fail to see how it's possible to know that since we dont actually know how many illegal aliens are actually in the country) if they werent here there would 100% be less crime.

Actually the introduction of a less criminal element, still results in more crime, but also a lower crime rate. Or lower probability that you as an individual will be the victim of a crime.

Do the math

 

[Rogue AI]

Actually the opposite may happen.
Remember all the riots of the summer of 2020.
Crime skyrocketed because the perps knew there weren't enough cops, witnesses, or judges to bring all of them to justice.
And most got off either scott free, or with a slap on the wrist due to not enough evidence (like the video they had from January 6th) or having to plea bargain because they couldn't try them all, within the statutory time limits.

If they want to deport 1,000,000 people, they'll need a lot more administrative judges.

You are missing the point of mass deportation. Instead of years of waiting on individual cases they'll be deported in large batches, free to appeal from their country of origin. Tighter border security will drive up the cost for smuggling, further decreasing the numbers.

 

[JGalt]

Why so upset? You won.

Are you coming to the realization that you have to actually govern now?

Actually "we" won. Donald Trump is not just my President, he is a President for every American, that includes you.

 

[JGalt]

Illegals commite crimes less often than citizens.

So, by your logic, we need to deport the natives, since you're all about reducing crime.

Your logic is always very stupid.

Citizens didn't commit a crime to get here, they were born here. So technically every illegal alien is already a criminal.

 

[sparky]

IIRC, Rome fell to the same recipe we now have

~S~

 

[Vrenn]

You must have missed the screams of our own children with the inflation. Watching commercials of American children going to ed hungry and asking for donations while trying to figure out how the Great Society is 60 years old, and we have the same poverty is mesmerizing. Then again, we now know after seeing that legislation from Progs the first two years of Joe and Kamala that they waste trillions and trillions of dollars.

And what is the real reason why any American Citizen has to miss meals, sleep in the cold, etc? Job. Jobs that were lost because of the Reagan bunch that removed the protection we had on exporting jobs overseas.

 

[Arlette]

The US arms industry WANT increasing violence over the border, it's their bread and butter. But it has the nasty side effect of creating - in effect - refugees. Trump could address that but he won't he just doesn't care, he goes on about illegal aliens because it gets him votes, he cares so much that he and his team didn't even draft and outline plan and cost for the mass deportation, I mean how dumb can 73,663,038 people be...time for a beer...later folks...

Harris didn't either. She was tasked with examining the root cause of immigration. She's not stupid and I'm sure that our pointless war on drugs and terror are big contributing factors. She didn't lay it out because us Americans can't handle the truth about ourselves.