Trump Says He Will Be Filing a “Major Motion” Soon in Response to FBI Raid on Mar-a-Lago

[Care4all]

This is an asinine situation . Trump should never have taken the documents or tried to conceal the second batch. Really! How stupid can he get.

Yep.

But he's been successful in putting himself above and outside of the law, his whole life! That's incentive for him to continue with his silver spoon lawlessness imo....

 

[surada]

Yep.

But he's been successful in putting himself above and outside of the law, his whole life! That's incentive for him to continue with his silver spoon lawlessness imo....

Trump loves publicity even negative publicity. He loves a fight. It's good that he usually loses.

 

[sartre play]

Did he claim that $10 million from China? Because it's public knowledge he got it.

This is interesting could you show some evidence regarding the 10 million from China, where is it? how did it get here? Who brought it to Biden? What is China saying about it?

 

[surada]

commie loving America hater Dragon idiot is on the suicide hotline watch now.LOL

https://www.usmessageboard.com/threads/the-commie-loving-trump-and-america-haters-are-going-to-be-on-the-suicide-hotline-watch-after-this-bit-of-news.988582/#post-30292952

Trump's latest legal team is incompetent. They can't even file a proper motion. Trump included his manic narrative about his victim status in the motion. The judge must have laughed his ass off.

 

[surada]

Did he claim that $10 million from China? Because it's public knowledge he got it.

Lol, you aren't bright. You know that's another crackpot conspiracy theory.

 

[sartre play]

Whitmer was one case.

This is a totally different case.

The FBI has thousands of cases in many decades.

You can find ONE case where some FBI guys behaved badly.

You could find a zillion bad moves going back to Hover, there is LOTS of dishonesty in politics. The bottom line is that it is not ok to take presidential records home with you, or erase phone calls or recordings. IF we don't work harder to get more honesty back in how government works our country will be run with conspirers & self serving idiots.

 

[OKTexas]

Not a lie!


Www.news.yahoo.com/trump-lawyer-june-said-classified-172550139.html

Trump lawyer in June said classified material had been returned -NY Times​

August 13, 2022·2 min read


WASHINGTON (Reuters) -A lawyer for former U.S. President Donald Trump signed a statement in June that said all classified material held in boxes at Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence had been returned to the government, the New York Times reported on Saturday.
The statement was signed after Jay Bratt, a top national security official in the U.S. Department of Justice, visited Trump's South Florida beach club on June 3, the New York Times reported. Bratt met with two Trump lawyers to discuss the handling of classified information during the visit, the newspaper said.
Trump is under federal investigation for possible violations of the Espionage Act, which makes it unlawful to spy for another country or mishandle U.S. defense information, including sharing it with people not authorized to receive it, a search warrant made public on Friday showed.
FBI agents searched Mar-a-Lago this week and removed 11 sets of classified documents including some marked as top secret, according to the Justice Department.
The existence of the Trump attorney statement suggests that Trump and his team may not have fully disclosed information about classified documents in the former president's residence

That still doesn't refute what I said. Trump was cooperating, there was zero need for the raid.

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[candycorn]

Any day now... LOL

 

[Mac1958]

GOD Bless him~ Wish him the very best!

So do you know that this got laughed out of court? Do you know that his "lawyers" were given homework to try to make it make sense? Do you know that his "lawyers" are now in danger of being sanctioned for submitting what was essentially a PR document? Do you realize that this was little more than a publicity stunt?

JUST LIKE THOSE 60+ FAKE ELECTION LAWSUITS?

Is ANYTHING sinking in yet?

 

[Mac1958]

 

[Care4all]

That still doesn't refute what I said. Trump was cooperating, there was zero need for the raid.

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I'm sorry, you are only repeating what Trump made up.

He was NOT cooperating....he was stalling and fighting the return of classified top secret documents.....

All records should have all been returned IMMEDIATELY in March of 2021 when the Archives asked....

HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER TAKEN ANY PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS when he left.....they should have sent all of his records to the National archives, he was told that, Trump lawyers told trump that too.....he ignored his legal advice and the rule of law governing this....I

It took him 11 MONTHS to return just 15 cases of what he took, illegally.

You call that cooperating?

and then when the librarians went through the 15 cases they found classified documents and TOP SECRET classified documents in the 15 cases..... and the librarians notified the FBI of the top secret documents found, which was required under the law.

the librarians continued to try to get back other docs they knew Trump had....he did not cooperate, so a Grand Jury subpoenaed him for the presidential and TOP SECRET records in late May, early June....

trump lawyers returned a little more and swore, under oath, that they returned everything to our counter intelligence agent sent to retrieve them.

Then, they found out the Trump Lawyer LIED about returning it all...then subpoenaed Trump close circuit security tapes, so counter top intelligence agents could determined who was going in and out of the storage room with the records....

then the FBI interviewed those peeps going in and out.... And Trump staff aware of the documents...

Then the search and seizure warrant....


Jiminey Cricket okTex!

the facts and time and effort and multi agencies, and grand juries, and court judges spending their time trying to retrieve all of OUR RECORDS that Trump TOOK,

PROVES he was NOT cooperating....

Trump is telling you, not to believe your own eyes and ears, when he tells you and his flock that he was cooperating! I so wish you could see this and not be so blinded by his shiney charm!

 

[OKTexas]

I'm sorry, you are only repeating what Trump made up.

He was NOT cooperating....he was stalling and fighting the return of classified top secret documents.....

All records should have all been returned IMMEDIATELY in March of 2021 when the Archives asked....

HE SHOULD HAVE NEVER TAKEN ANY PRESIDENTIAL RECORDS when he left.....they should have sent all of his records to the National archives, he was told that, Trump lawyers told trump that too.....he ignored his legal advice and the rule of law governing this....I

It took him 11 MONTHS to return just 15 cases of what he took, illegally.

You call that cooperating?

and then when the librarians went through the 15 cases they found classified documents and TOP SECRET classified documents in the 15 cases..... and the librarians notified the FBI of the top secret documents found, which was required under the law.

the librarians continued to try to get back other docs they knew Trump had....he did not cooperate, so a Grand Jury subpoenaed him for the presidential and TOP SECRET records in late May, early June....

trump lawyers returned a little more and swore, under oath, that they returned everything to our counter intelligence agent sent to retrieve them.

Then, they found out the Trump Lawyer LIED about returning it all...then subpoenaed Trump close circuit security tapes, so counter top intelligence agents could determined who was going in and out of the storage room with the records....

then the FBI interviewed those peeps going in and out.... And Trump staff aware of the documents...

Then the search and seizure warrant....


Jiminey Cricket okTex!

the facts and time and effort and multi agencies, and grand juries, and court judges spending their time trying to retrieve all of OUR RECORDS that Trump TOOK,

PROVES he was NOT cooperating....

Trump is telling you, not to believe your own eyes and ears, when he tells you and his flock that he was cooperating! I so wish you could see this and not be so blinded by his shiney charm!

You might want to check the law, former presidents are allowed to have their records and there is no set time frame when they have give them to the archive. This is a pure political stunt by the xiden regime, and you can bet the courts will sort everything out and I doubt you'll be smiling then.

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[Care4all]

You might want to check the law, former presidents are allowed to have their records and there is no set time frame when they have give them to the archive. This is a pure political stunt by the xiden regime, and you can bet the courts will sort everything out and I doubt you'll be smiling then.

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Sorry to inform you, but that is FAKE NEWS!!!

The presidential Government records are owned by the public, and under law, go to the National archives for safe storing upon the former president's exit....STAY private for 5 years.

The former President can access his presidential records at any time or assign his people to access them for purposes of a Biography, or his presidential library preparation etc, anytime during those 5 years out of public view.

Any govt records the former president may want, such as Kim Jung Un's letter, has to be requested from the National Archives, and if the Archives agree to give it to him as a personal request, the Archives will make a copy of it, to preserve the record before giving him the original or make a copy and give him an exact copy.

The former president can request from the Archives that Six presidential document or records be held back from the public for up to 12 years, but they must make this request while still sitting as president.

Personal things, not relating to govt or govt actions, are personal things that can go with the president when he leaves and do not need to go to the National Archives for preservation.

NOTE! The sitting president has full custody of his records and management responsibility while in office ONLY! But when the president leaves office, those presidential records, become ours, the public's.... With the National Archives as custodian on our behalf!

NOTE! The BOLD part below!

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978​

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents, and subsequently NARA, must manage the records of their Administrations. The PRA was amended in 2014, which established several new provisions.

Specifically, the PRA:

• Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.
• Requires that Vice-Presidential records be treated in the same way as Presidential records.
• Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.
• Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.
• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
• Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.
• Codifies the process by which former and incumbent Presidents conduct reviews for executive privilege prior to public release of records by NARA (which had formerly been governed by Executive order 13489).
• Establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent Administrations to obtain “special access” to records from NARA that remain closed to the public, following a privilege review period by the former and incumbent Presidents; the procedures governing such special access requests continue to be governed by the relevant provisions of E.O. 13489.
• Establishes preservation requirements for official business conducted using non-official electronic messaging accounts: any individual creating Presidential records must not use non-official electronic messaging accounts unless that individual copies an official account as the message is created or forwards a complete copy of the record to an official messaging account. (A similar provision in the Federal Records Act applies to federal agencies.)
• Prevents an individual who has been convicted of a crime related to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records from being given access to any original records.

 

[OKTexas]

Sorry to inform you, but that is FAKE NEWS!!!

The presidential Government records are owned by the public, and under law, go to the National archives for safe storing upon the former president's exit....STAY private for 5 years.

The former President can access his presidential records at any time or assign his people to access them for purposes of a Biography, or his presidential library preparation etc, anytime during those 5 years out of public view.

Any govt records the former president may want, such as Kim Jung Un's letter, has to be requested from the National Archives, and if the Archives agree to give it to him as a personal request, the Archives will make a copy of it, to preserve the record before giving him the original or make a copy and give him an exact copy.

The former president can request from the Archives that Six presidential document or records be held back from the public for up to 12 years, but they must make this request while still sitting as president.

Personal things, not relating to govt or govt actions, are personal things that can go with the president when he leaves and do not need to go to the National Archives for preservation.

NOTE! The sitting president has full custody of his records and management responsibility while in office ONLY! But when the president leaves office, those presidential records, become ours, the public's.... With the National Archives as custodian on our behalf!

NOTE! The BOLD part below!

Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978​

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. ß2201-2209, governs the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents that were created or received after January 20, 1981 (i.e., beginning with the Reagan Administration). The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents, and subsequently NARA, must manage the records of their Administrations. The PRA was amended in 2014, which established several new provisions.

Specifically, the PRA:

• Establishes public ownership of all Presidential records and defines the term Presidential records.
• Requires that Vice-Presidential records be treated in the same way as Presidential records.
• Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.
• Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.
• Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal have been obtained in writing.
• Establishes that Presidential records automatically transfer into the legal custody of the Archivist as soon as the President leaves office.
• Establishes a process by which the President may restrict and the public may obtain access to these records after the President leaves office; specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years.
• Codifies the process by which former and incumbent Presidents conduct reviews for executive privilege prior to public release of records by NARA (which had formerly been governed by Executive order 13489).
• Establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent Administrations to obtain “special access” to records from NARA that remain closed to the public, following a privilege review period by the former and incumbent Presidents; the procedures governing such special access requests continue to be governed by the relevant provisions of E.O. 13489.
• Establishes preservation requirements for official business conducted using non-official electronic messaging accounts: any individual creating Presidential records must not use non-official electronic messaging accounts unless that individual copies an official account as the message is created or forwards a complete copy of the record to an official messaging account. (A similar provision in the Federal Records Act applies to federal agencies.)
• Prevents an individual who has been convicted of a crime related to the review, retention, removal, or destruction of records from being given access to any original records.

Yeah, keep beating that dead horse, you've already been provided a court precedent where the president decides what is his private records. Also the PRA is a civil law not criminal, there are no provisions in the law that would allow the archive to seize records.

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[Care4all]

OKTexas
Of course the president decides his own personal vs govt records. ALL govt employees are instructed not to send private personal emails etc to the national archives, only govt records. And RULES are provided on what is personal and what is govt, and required under law, to be saved....

Trump doesn't get to make up his own rules on what would be considered personal vs. Govt records to keep..... Trump CAN NOT claim a govt record is a personal record.

The court case involved a presidents recordings with a biographer for his memoirs that he hired, and not the govt....

These are not government records where he is making govt decisions or govt actions, with others in government.....they were recordings of discussions of what was going in his book....that's personal, and Tom Finton lost his case because they were NOT government records, but personal tapes.

Sheesh! You don't even understand the ruling, if you are talking about the same case?


Anything at all, even remotely that involves the government, is a government record...discussing and planning out what is going in your book, is not. It truly isn't that complicated....but if you are still uncertain, there are regulations and rules spelled out, in government manuals.

President Trump's White House Council ADVISED Trump NOT TO TAKE any presidential records with him, they legally belonged to the National Archives, and that all of his office's and his govt records HAD TO GO THERE, and not Mara Lago.

He ignored his legal advise, from his legal council....

And instead, believes Tom Finton, who is not even a lawyer.....

And you think this lawless man, should be president again??? To me, that's simply absurd!

 

[Care4all]

Yeah, keep beating that dead horse, you've already been provided a court precedent where the president decides what is his private records. Also the PRA is a civil law not criminal, there are no provisions in the law that would allow the archive to seize records.

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are you actually trying to make the argument that official government records are personal records of Don the Con? 42 cases of documents?

Are you actually trying to claim that top secret, and above top secret compartmental documents are personal items of Trump?

seriously? Please stop this absurd notion of yours.....it is laughable!!! You have to know that it is ridiculous to assert such a claim? Why are you even doing and claiming such an idiotic, thoughtless, thing?

 

[SweetSue92]

are you actually trying to make the argument that official government records are personal records of Don the Con? 42 cases of documents?

Are you actually trying to claim that top secret, and above top secret compartmental documents are personal items of Trump?

seriously? Please stop this absurd notion of yours.....it is laughable!!! You have to know that it is ridiculous to assert such a claim? Why are you even doing and claiming such an idiotic, thoughtless, thing?

Oh wait...do you think we are still playing by rules?

That's cute. And so 2016

 

[Care4all]

Oh wait...do you think we are still playing by rules?

That's cute. And so 2016

Huh?

 

[SweetSue92]

Huh?

Do you suppose that we are supposed to care what is in those boxes?

Like anyone who votes D really cared what was in Hillary's server? Or Hunter's laptop?

You think we're still playing by rules? Oh honey. NO.

 

[Care4all]

Do you suppose that we are supposed to care what is in those boxes?

Like anyone who votes D really cared what was in Hillary's server? Or Hunter's laptop?

You think we're still playing by rules? Oh honey. NO.

I don't give a hoot about Hunter's laptop.

Hillary turned over her govt records, when asked....she should have done it, when she left office.