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Trump press secretary explains to low-IQ "journalists" what the definition of "illegal immigrant" is
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Winston
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Can we get something very clear here. I know it is hard to understand. , Half of all "illegal immigrants", got here legally. They arrived at a legal port of entry with proper paperwork, usually a tourist VISA. It is when they overstay that VISA that they are in an "unlawful presence" state.
Now, being in an "unlawful presence" state is not against any law. It is a civil violation. And there are lots of exceptions. If you are under 18, can't be unlawfully present. If you petitioned for amnesty and are awaiting your hearing, you are not unlawfully present. If you entered as a refugee, you are not unlawfully present until your refugee status if revoked. If you are a beneficiary of Family Unity Protection you are not unlawfully present unless your application is denied. If you are a victim of violence against women and children, you are not in an unlawfully present state provided your show abuse is linked to you becoming unlawfully present. And finally, victims of sex trafficking are not subject to the unlawfully present state.
So the question was a legit question. The answer was rife with outright ignorance.
marvin martian
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Yup, just like anyone who may have been law-abiding at one point, and then became a criminal. It makes NO difference how they became a criminal.
Winston
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Please identify the law against overstaying a VISA. Is it a violation of criminal law or is it a civil violation?
Winston
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Violating a civil statue does not make one a criminal. Ever pay your property taxes late, miss the deadline on your car's safety inspection, let the license plate expire? Would those things make you a criminal?
marvin martian
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It makes them subject to deportation, so they will be deported. This is actually very simple, you're just not used to seeing an administration upholding the law.
toobfreak
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BULLSHIT. Link us to that data. If they got here legally, they couldn't be ILLEGAL ALIENS.
BULLSHIT. Link us to your data.
We finally agree. Your answer is outright ignorant.
Winston
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Yes, being here in an unlawfully present state can result in deportation. But as I previously mentioned, there are a plethora of exceptions to that fact. One cannot be jailed or criminally charged for being in an unlawful present state. So how can they be "criminals"?
Winston
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Rep. Kevin McCarthy's Mostly True claim on visa overstays
The debate over illegal immigration in America most often centers on the unlawful crossings at the U.S.-Mexico border. P
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"Half of everyone that’s here illegally (in the US) came here legally on a visa and have overstayed their visa," McCarthy, a Republican from Bakersfield, said at a Public Policy Institute of California event in Sacramento on Aug. 15, 2018.
Blisterfinger
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I am just sitting back and watching the show......... parasite. Enjoy LOL
Shouting it like an angry Bingo isn't going to make that statement any more accurate. Tresspassing isn't a criminal offense, it's a civil one, like speeding. Getting a traffic ticket doesn't make you a criminal, does it......?
Concerned American
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Felony illegal entries in the US under Biden are ESTIMATED at 8.2 million more than under Trump. How many visa overstays have you got? Try remaining relevant to the thread.
Illegal Immigration Remains at Record High Under Biden-Harris Administration’s Failed Policies
DEBUNKING THE CLAIM THAT THE BIDEN-HARRIS BORDER POLICIES ARE WORKING
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LAUGHatLEFTISTS
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Leavitt answered the question. Everything she said was an absolute fact. Prove her wrong.
toobfreak
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That is from SEVEN YEARS AGO, you idiot, which still meant that a possible 10 million aliens then were STILL ILLEGAL.
That does not include the roughly 21 million illegals Joe Biden just let in over the past four years that I WAS TALKING ABOUT, which are all illegal.
So that leaves us with a possible 30 million illegals, or something like 1:10 people here.
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If you can’t respond to the substance of my post then why respond at all?Wow slade. You figured out that some things which are illegal aren’t “crimes.”
Good for you, little feller.
Blisterfinger
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I don't have to worry about being deported. Do you know why?
Shouting it like an angry Bingo isn't going to make that statement any more accurate. Tresspassing isn't a criminal offense, it's a civil one, like speeding. Getting a traffic ticket doesn't make you a criminal, does it......?
LAUGHatLEFTISTS
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The illegal aliens could have easily applied for a work visa and entered the country legally.
DukeU
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Will I be penalized if I overstay a U.S. visa?
Will I be penalized if I overstay a U.S. visa? If you overstay a U.S. visa, you may be subject to various penalties, including, but not limited to:
- Not being able to come back to the U.S. for 3 to 10 years, depending on how long you overstayed.
- Restrictions from applying for an Extension of Stay, Change of Status, or Extension of Status.
- Visa will be automatically revoked or canceled.
- Barred from obtaining a new visa, except in your home country.
The penalty will depend on how long you overstayed. For example, if you overstay for 180 days or more, but less than one year, then you will be barred from coming back to the U.S. for three years once you depart the U.S. However, if you overstay for more than one year, you will be barred for ten years.
Further, if you stay in the U.S. for more than one year (even if it is not continuous, but rather in the aggregate), then try to enter without inspection, then you will be permanently banned from entering the U.S., potentially for life.
If you received a “final order of removal,” you must leave the U.S. within 90 days of receiving the order. If you do not, you may be subject to imprisonment or heavy fines.
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If they could, they would
It would make their lives much easier
BackAgain
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Look it up, you ignorant lazy troll.
It can be criminal. And by “civil” I assume you are wondering if it only has possible immigration consequences. The answer is that it can be criminal, too.
But, even so, in many cases (standing alone) the overstay does not appear to have been given criminal penalties. That part of your post question is fair.
It is still true, all the same, that when a person overstays a visa period, the action does itself violate our law.
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