Trump pardons Rudy Giuliani and others

[Cassandro]

I’m not at all confused. Where do you see a problem with a president’s pardoning power?

The President may pardon offenses (crimes), not people who may or may not have committed them.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

This one means a lot...

President Donald Trump pardoned Troy Lake on Friday. The 65-year-old Wyoming diesel mechanic spent seven months in federal prison for tweaking and removing emissions systems on ailing engines. When he got the news, he wept.

Background:
In about 2007, customers started approaching Lake because their trucks had problems “brand new off the lot,”

That coincided with the EPA tightening emissions standards on heavy diesel trucks in 2004, and again in 2007.

The culprits at that time were systems in trucks that recirculated exhaust into the engine’s “breathing,” or intake air supply.

Removing or “deleting” emissions control systems wasn’t Troy Lake’s main business at that time. Not even close. He ran a successful shop with six service trucks and jobs in the gold mining industry.

“But customers of ours, quite a few of them, would buy new trucks every year and start running into those issues — and they’d ask Dad if he could fix it,” said TJ. “And we found a way.”

Trump Pardons Cheyenne Diesel Delete Mechanic Troy Lake

President Donald Trump pardoned Troy Lake on Friday. The 65-year-old Wyoming diesel mechanic spent seven months in federal prison for tweaking and…

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[candycorn]

Simply following the actual wording of the Constitution would eliminate most of the abuses: Only issue a pardon for a specific crime that has been committed.

There is very little in the constitution that gets into specifics. We should just abolish the Presidential pardon all together and let judges--gals and guys whose life is spent interpreting the law, crime, and punishment--decide if due process was granted and if the sentence was outsized.

 

[tahuyaman]

The President may pardon offenses (crimes), not people who may or may not have committed them.

Crimes are committed by people you moron.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Yet another reason for why we need to do away with the Presidential Pardon. I said the same thing undre Biden in 2022:

I am saying get rid of the presidential pardon. Have all of the interworkings you currently have but leave it to 3 of the SCOTUS justices to vote on whether or not a pardon is issued. The most senior, the fifth most senior, and the newest justice sit on a committee that meets every January to consider pardons.

Pardons are being given out as rewards...not correcting bad convictions.

Or to cover future indictments? Right?

 

[tahuyaman]

Or to cover future indictments? Right?

There’s a good point being made here. In order to be pardoned there should be a documented crime or a prosecution and or conviction.

Pardoning someone for unknown future crimes is inappropriate.

 

[tahuyaman]

Yet another reason for why we need to do away with the Presidential Pardon. I said the same thing undre Biden in 2022….

I doubt that.

 

[candycorn]

I doubt that.

You can look it up.

 

[tahuyaman]

You can look it up.

I did. I couldn’t find anything. Pretend I’m from Missouri. Show me

 

[candycorn]

I did. I couldn’t find anything. Pretend I’m from Missouri. Show me

Look harder.

 

[tahuyaman]

Look harder.

You can’t support your claim. Not my problem.

 

[ThisIsMe]

There’s a good point being made here. In order to be pardoned there should be a documented crime or a prosecution and or conviction.

Pardoning someone for unknown future crimes is inappropriate.

I agree.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I agree.

Then all of you will be happy to know that isn't relevant in the slightest to the Biden pardons at issue.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

There’s a good point being made here. In order to be pardoned there should be a documented crime or a prosecution and or conviction.

Pardoning someone for unknown future crimes is inappropriate.

Then you will also be happy to know that isn't relevant to the Biden pardons at issue.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Then all of you will be happy to know that isn't relevant in the slightest to the Biden pardons at issue.

Sure it is. Biden pardoned people who had not yet been charged with a crime. He was doing it to ward off any future charges.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Sure it is. Biden pardoned people who had not yet been charged with a crime. He was doing it to ward off any future charges.

Ope, you're doing that bad faith lying poster act again.

Pardoning someone for unknown future crimes is inappropriate.

I agree.

Not sure what you have to gain from debasing yourself like this.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Ope, you're doing that bad faith lying poster act again.




Not sure what you have to gain from debasing yourself like this.

Ive read your post, I see no debasing. I see a very consistent post.

I said pardoning for future crimes is inappropriate, which is why Bidens pardons were wrong.

At what point did I debase myself? What part of it is bad faith posting?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Ive read your post, I see no debating. I see a very consistent post.

I said pardoning for future crimes is inappropriate, which is why Bidens pardons were wrong.

At what point did I debase myself? What part of it is bad faith posting?

Well, except he didn't do that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I said pardoning for future crimes is inappropriate, which is why Bidens pardons were wrong.

Which is irrelevant to the Biden pardons, as i so kindly pointed out.

So now you are better informed and won't embarrass yourself by repeating that false talking point.

You're welcome.

 

[ThisIsMe]

Well, except he didn't do that.

Actually, I see your point, I'll amend my statement. Biden pardoned people for crimes, yet unknown, that they may have committed.

what i should have said is not he pardoned them for future crimes, rather, he pardoned them from futures charges about past crimes. Im not sure how thats any better, really.