Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

[Godboy]

I literally posted it. This will be blocked very quickly if tried.

Knocking over your blocks seems to be easy as hell. We smash right through them every time now.

 

[Orangecat]

Hopefully youre a constitutional scholar and not just some dipshit lefty who is making claims that he cant back up.

That one is no scholar of any type.

 

[Independent thinker]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

BREAKING: Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.”

thepostmillennial.com

They don't control the Senate. They need 60 votes to control the Senate.

 

[postman]

Why would anyone want illegal immigrant numbers to count towards House seats?
Appeals to authority is a logical fallacy, btw.

Actually everybody wanted illegal immigrants counted in the census. They counted every slave imported after 1809 in the census, and they were all illegal immigrants.

 

[postman]

They don't control the Senate. They need 60 votes to control the Senate.

Really? Then how did Bove get confirmed with less than 60 votes?

 

[Edgetho]

No, it doesn't but that is fine, have your fantasy. SCOTUS will decide by and by.

SCOTUS has been lazy and cowardly on this topic. Like I said, neither the Constitution nor the 14th intended to count Illegals. The problem just didn't exist 240 and 160 years ago, respectivley. And trying to apply 21st Morals to 18th Century documents is beyond stupid.

Anyway, go ahead, declare yourself an Illegal on a Census form. ICE will be by shortly. So they're either going to exclude themselves or we can do it.

Works out the same way.

 

[postman]

SCOTUS has been lazy and cowardly on this topic. Like I said, neither the Constitution nor the 14th intended to count Illegals. The problem just didn't exist 240 and 160 years ago, respectivley. And trying to apply 21st Morals to 18th Century documents is beyond stupid.

Anyway, go ahead, declare yourself an Illegal on a Census form. ICE will be by shortly. So they're either going to exclude themselves or we can do it.

Works out the same way.

Re: Neither the Constitution nor the 14th intended to count Illegals.
You forgot, the first illegal aliens in America, were the slaves imported after 1809.

And they were counted, both before and after the 14th amendment.

 

[Orangecat]

Actually everybody wanted illegal immigrants counted in the census. They counted every slave imported after 1809 in the census, and they were all illegal immigrants.

Saying “everybody wanted it” isn’t an answer to my question. Do you think illegals should count towards House representation? If so, why?

 

[1srelluc]

Re: either the Constitution nor the 14th intended to count Illegals.
You forgot, the first illegal aliens in America, were the slave imported after 1809.

And they were counted, both before and after the 14th amendment.

Slaves were legal consigned property, not illegal foreign invaders.

 

[postman]

Saying “everybody wanted it” isn’t an answer to my question. Do you think illegals should count towards House representation? If so, why?

They were counted since 1810

 

[postman]

Slaves were consigned property, not illegal foreign invaders.

Read the constitution.
They were aliens smuggled illegally into the country by large powerful cartels that snuck them across the border.

Does that sound familiar?

 

[1srelluc]

Read the constitution.
They were aliens smuggled illegally into the country by large powerful cartels that snuck them across the border.

Does that sound familiar?

LOL....Where did you come-up with that BS?

They were consigned property and considered a movable asset.

The legal institution of human chattel slavery, comprising the enslavement primarily of Africans and African Americans, was prevalent in the United States of America from its founding in 1776 until 1865....

Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Orangecat]

They were counted since 1810

I didn’t ask for a history lesson. I asked if you think illegals should be counted for House representation. Do you have any individual opinion beyond “that’s just how it’s been done”?

 

[Edgetho]

LOL....Where did you come-up with that BS?

They were consigned property and considered a movable asset.

The legal institution of human chattel slavery, comprising the enslavement primarily of Africans and African Americans, was prevalent in the United States of America from its founding in 1776 until 1865....

Slavery in the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You realize you're arguing with an Inner City 12 year-old imbecile, don't you?

I blame COVID. None of them went back to school after it was over. It's probably repeating the 4th grade -- Again. At 12.

'Slaves Smuggled into the country' -- That's a knee-slapper, there

 

[StatesRightsForever]

All persons residing in the U.S. must be counted, regardless of citizenship status.

The U.S. Constitution mandates counting the “whole number of persons” in each state for apportionment.
This does not permit restricting the census count to only U.S. citizens.

Any attempt to exclude non-citizens would almost certainly face significant constitutional challenges and is inconsistent with existing legal interpretation.

Again you have been caught lying. The very first words of the constitution are "We the people of the united states." So the word "people" means citizens.

 

[Rawley]

It's unconstitutional.

Is that what your masters are telling you? LOL

 

[Zincwarrior]

Is that what your masters are telling you? LOL

Its what the Constitution says.

 

[StatesRightsForever]

Nope.
Congress cannot subvert the Constitution.

So why have we had multiple military drafts since the 13th amendment banning drafts was ratified? THINK

 

[Meathead]

The GOP has tried to do this before and failed, but now they control the house and senate and it should go thru. This is long long overdue.

BREAKING: Trump orders new census that does NOT count illegal immigrants

“People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS.”

thepostmillennial.com

If it goes thorough, fine.

If it doesn't, all the more reason to get rid of every illegal. We've got 5 years.

 

[Rawley]

Its what the Constitution says.

Nah. It doesn't