Trump Officially Throws Pro-Lifers Under the Bus

[el midgetron]

You're right I have no problem with that being prohibited under those circumstances. Because it doesnt happen.

Good. So, why then do you think Democrats support abortion to the point of birth, even if labor has already begun? Seems strange to support something that never happens. I guess that’s just Democrats being ineffective dipshits, right?

 

[el midgetron]

Well, you seem to be misinformed about everything else so why not that as well?

Misinformed about what exactly?

 

[john doe 101]

Good. So, why then do you think Democrats support abortion to the point of birth, even if labor has already begun? Seems strange to support something that never happens. I guess that’s just Democrats being ineffective dipshits, right?

Probably because they are afraid of repubs adding too many restrictions that would affect health of mother/child like they've done in other states. The more restrictions you place on doctors, the less likely they are to perform an operation for fear of losing their licensing. And then that would result in the greater possibility of injury to the woman. Optimally all this would be between a doctor and the patient. But I personally would sacrifice that to get rid of laws like Texas currently has.

 

[john doe 101]

Ok, so without an actual medical “cause”, do you support banning late term abortion?

Late term abortions should not be banned. Sometimes they are medically necessary.

 

[el midgetron]

Probably because they are afraid of repubs adding too many restrictions that would affect health of mother/child like they've done in other states. The more restrictions you place on doctors, the less likely they are to perform an operation for fear of losing their licensing. And then that would result in the greater possibility of injury to the woman. Optimally all this would be between a doctor and the patient. But I personally would sacrifice that to get rid of laws like Texas currently has.

So, now you support abortion up to the point of birth for any reason because if you don’t the “republicans” might make restrictions you disagree with…

Most abortion doctors don’t even do late term abortions. Having restrictions against late term abortions isn’t going to make doctors afraid of losing their license. Doctors already have to observe regulations regarding treatment, it’s part of what they do. You just made that up.

Abortion increase the risk of injury to women.

 

[el midgetron]

Late term abortions should not be banned. Sometimes they are medically necessary.

Would you support banning late term abortions unless there was a medical reason? In other words, you would need a medical reason to be eligible for a late term abortion.

 

[john doe 101]

So, now you support abortion up to the point of birth for any reason because if you don’t the “republicans” might make restrictions you disagree with…

Most abortion doctors don’t even do late term abortions. Having restrictions against late term abortions isn’t going to make doctors afraid of losing their license. Doctors already have to observe regulations regarding treatment, it’s part of what they do. You just made that up.

Abortion increase the risk of injury to women.

First off 1% of all abortions happen after week 21. Secondly, I never said what you said in your first sentence. Thirdly, if doctors already have to observe regulations regarding late term abortions, what are you even arguing about?

 

[john doe 101]

Would you support banning late term abortions unless there was a medical reason? In other words, you would need a medical reason to be eligible for a late term abortion.

Of course. No doctor is out there performing abortions 5 minutes before birth for no medical reason. Your side is INSANE. LOok what MTG came out and said today. Same crazy shit you're spouting on here.

 

[el midgetron]

First off 1% of all abortions happen after week 21. Secondly, I never said what you said in your first sentence. Thirdly, if doctors already have to observe regulations regarding late term abortions, what are you even arguing about?

(1) To the numbers I’ve seen, that’s somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 abortions.

(2) Do you support abortion up to the point of birth or not? I thought you said you didn’t, but then you defended Democrats for supporting abortion to the point of birth. I’m getting mixed signals. If you don’t support it, why would you defend their support for it?

(3) You are the one who is defending no-restrictions on late term abortion because you claim it might make doctors afraid of losing their license.

“The more restrictions you place on doctors, the less likely they are to perform an operation for fear of losing their licensing.”

 

[el midgetron]

Of course. No doctor is out there performing abortions 5 minutes before birth for no medical reason. Your side is INSANE. LOok what MTG came out and said today. Same crazy shit you're spouting on here.

So, it’s not “insane” to make murdering a baby seconds before it’s born (even seconds after being born) completely protected by law. But it is “insane” to think such a practice should be restricted?

Why legally protect a practice like murdering a baby for no reason at all as the mother goes into labor?

You either support it or you don’t. You don’t get to pretend like you oppose murdering a baby right before it’s born and also defend creating legal protection to murder a baby right before it’s born.

 

[john doe 101]

(1) To the numbers I’ve seen, that’s somewhere between 5,000 and 10,000 abortions.

(2) Do you support abortion up to the point of birth or not? I thought you said you didn’t, but then you defended Democrats for supporting abortion to the point of birth. I’m getting mixed signals. If you don’t support it, why would you defend their support for it?

(3) You are the one who is defending no-restrictions on late term abortion because you claim it might make doctors afraid of losing their license.

“The more restrictions you place on doctors, the less likely they are to perform an operation for fear of losing their licensing.”

2. I answered the question. You're just evidently too stupid to understand what I've said repeatedly.
3. See #2.

In any case when there are problems right before birth, doctors usually attempt to save the baby, not the mother. Bottom line because you and your kind are absolute psychos, this will cause trump to lose the WH. In other words, if anyone is to blame for trumps loss, it's you. Thanks!

 

[john doe 101]

So, it’s not “insane” to make murdering a baby seconds before it’s born (even seconds after being born) completely protected by law. But it is “insane” to think such a practice should be restricted?

Why legally protect a practice like murdering a baby for no reason at all as the mother goes into labor?

You either support it or you don’t. You don’t get to pretend like you oppose murdering a baby right before it’s born and also defend creating legal protection to murder a baby right before it’s born.

Murder is illegal. You want to make this issue black and white when it isnt.

 

[el midgetron]

Murder is illegal. You want to make this issue black and white when it isnt.

I’m not making it a black and white issue. I have recognized the medical justification for abortion, including late term. That’s why I have repeatedly asked you if you support late term abortion WITHOUT any medical cause.

You are the one who seems to want to both claim you don’t support late term abortion WITHOUT medical cause and also defend late term abortion without medical cause.

FACT: Democrats support late term abortion, up to the point of birth, WITHOUT medical cause. You refer to this as “murder” in your above quote. Yet, you defend Democrats passing legislation that legalizes this “murder”.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" A Heart Beat is Not A Justification As Without Cause "

* Concurrence Not Forthcoming Until Reasonable With Cause Stipulations Are Codified *

Ok, so without an actual medical “cause”, do you support banning late term abortion?

A disagreement or agreement with proscribing third trimester abortion will not occur until abortion ant-choice establish legitimate standards for exceptions ,

In europe , limits to without cause abortion include with cause exceptions in public policy , however the sanctimonious sacrosanct anthropocentric psychopaths freak farmer fanatics in etas unis are simply too deranged , disingenuous and conceited to address the consideration .

The reasons for termination of pregnancy in the third trimester - PubMed

One-third of late terminations of pregnancy could have been avoided by more efficient screening in the second trimester. However, because fetal prognosis is not always clear when a malformation is diagnosed, postponing the decision until fetal development allows more thorough evaluation and may...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Setting: The Maternité Port Royal University Hospital, Paris, France.
Population: A consecutive series of 956 terminations of pregnancy performed for fetal anomalies in singleton pregnancies, 305 of which were in the third trimester and 651 in the second.

 

[schmidlap]

The longer this campaign goes on, the more to the left Trump moves. A large part of Trump's base is pro-life. In fact, there are a lot of people who vote solely on that issue. How are they going to react to this? The bargain evangelicals made with Trump in 2016 was over in 2020. They could have picked someone better. We had a primary with competent candidates and everything. Well done, folks.

Tell us again how the people who challenged Trump in the primaries were the RINOs.

Move over, Stormy Daniels! The criminal geezer is now screwing the authoritarian zealots.​

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Duh​

 

[el midgetron]

" A Heart Beat is Not A Justification As Without Cause "

* Concurrence Not Forthcoming Until Reasonable With Cause Stipulations Are Codified *

A disagreement or agreement with proscribing third trimester abortion will not occur until abortion ant-choice establish legitimate standards for exceptions ,

In europe , limits to without cause abortion include with cause exceptions in public policy , however the sanctimonious sacrosanct anthropocentric psychopaths freak farmer fanatics in etas unis are simply too deranged , disingenuous and conceited to address the consideration .

The reasons for termination of pregnancy in the third trimester - PubMed

One-third of late terminations of pregnancy could have been avoided by more efficient screening in the second trimester. However, because fetal prognosis is not always clear when a malformation is diagnosed, postponing the decision until fetal development allows more thorough evaluation and may...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Setting: The Maternité Port Royal University Hospital, Paris, France.
Population: A consecutive series of 956 terminations of pregnancy performed for fetal anomalies in singleton pregnancies, 305 of which were in the third trimester and 651 in the second.

It’s a simple question that a yes or no would wander. Your ramblings only indicate to me that you support abortion to the point of birth.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

He's now come out in favor of striking Florida's six week abortion limit.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" When Individuals Stipulate With Cause "

* State Determination In Third Trimester Only Reasonable For Without Cause *

Ok, so without an actual medical “cause”, do you support banning late term abortion?

A " late term " reference is non specific .

The roe v wade decision ruled that states could outlaw abortion in third trimester , which is reasonable when it applies to without cause abortion , however it is not reasonable to disregard developmental anomalies that would justify with cause abortion .

 

[martybegan]

Late term abortions should not be banned. Sometimes they are medically necessary.

Why would they be necessary on a viable fetus instead of just removing the living fetus via C-section?

 

[martybegan]

He's now come out in favor of striking Florida's six week abortion limit.

So am I. 10-15 weeks is a better range for birth control abortions.