Trump Lost Badly In Iran And Can't Spin His Way Out

[Kruska]

Let me tell you the actual history. I then had been discharged shortly after Kennedy was murdered. I got home from Germany early in February 1964. We only had special forces in Vietnam, and they trained the Vietnamese how to win a war. We all recall when Democrat Johnson actually invaded Vietnam to take over the war against Ho Chi Minh. It was tough sledding even though Johnsons army never lost any battles. The North were not competent fighters. Much later, the public quit backing Johnson so he quit, refused to run again. Nixon took over and for his part he really tried hard to win the war. He took off the gloves. Johnson had soured Americans on the war. Nixon escalated it. Finally, the North had enough and went to Paris to agree to peace. So, seeing he solved the problem, Nixon ordered all of our troops to come home to the USA and they did. Get this and I mean it, we were gone for 2 years. We were not even there when the south lost.

As if YOU would know "actual" history

The USA had been involved in Vietnam since the 50'ies - massively providing arms, intel and support to the French.

Kennedy knew that Green Berets and other instructors couldn't turn the tide in South-Vietnam - so he decided (with full support by Congress) to send the first regular US troops to SV. LBJ then made a full fledged war out it (with full support by Congress) - targeting North Vietnam and ordering illegal bombings on Laos and Cambodia.

Nixon first (with full support by Congress) even expanded that war to Laos and Cambodia by ordering a ground invasion into those countries. After filling the last 58,000 body bags - someone told him that the war isn't winnable - and that the Democrats might win the next election if he won't put and end to the Vietnam war - The Paris Peace Accords were mainly pushed by the United States, led by President Richard Nixon and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger, and not by North-Vietnam.

And every reputable US staff officer having served in Vietnam was fully aware that the South wouldn't stand a chance - so factually the US ＢＥＴＲＡＹＥＤ its former long time ally.

Now that FACTS and HISTORY - not your war-comic knowledge.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Nixon was a Republican.

It was still democrats that fought against the US military by lying. The Tet Offensive was a decisive victory until Walter Cronkite decided to lie about it. Democrats have been enemies of the United States since the end of World War II.

Nixon you say?
After Tet, U.S. generals at the heart of the campaign asked to add to the more than 500,000 troops already in Vietnam, hoping to start a counteroffensive. But President Lyndon B. Johnson and other leaders, taking note of growing antiwar sentiment at home, chose to do the opposite. Troop limitations were announced, and there was a halt on bombings. De-escalation began.

Democrats lying since 1968.

 

[Mac-7]

So just because someone else gets it's global economic share - he is an enemy???
So BMW is an enemy to Ford or GM?? Coca Cola is an enemy to Pepsi?? what a weird world you must live in.

That's exactly what China is - once they attack the USA they become your enemy. When did they attack???
Have they already occupied any of the USA's neighbor countries and set up military bases??? Do they have any defense agreements with US neighbor states??? Do they constantly send Naval patrols into US territorial waters???

Oh yeah right that balloon must have been a massive threat to you - how about those SR-71 flights over China, US spy satellites and recon planes - then forced to land on Hainan?? how many Chinese aircraft has the US force-landed in the USA???

If the USA keeps provoking them - yep, very likely to happen.
They haven't forgotten that the USA attacked them in 1900 and 1951.

China is the place where mothers used to kill female babies under the One Child policy

Today the government harvests organs from political prisioners

If thats how the communist monsters treat their own people its even worse for foreigners

Btw: Your history is wrong

The US did not attack china in 1951

 

[Kruska]

What part did you play in Vietnam?

I studied it extensively whilst attending a military College and University. At the time I even happened to live in Malaysia/Singapore and could get my daily information from US military personal that served or had served in Vietnam. BTW the half brother "Andy" and his sister (Julia Nickson) actually a Singaporean-Brit, playing in the Rambo II movie, were class/school mates of mine.

Only later in the USA, Thailand's beaches, South Africa and Germany I got to meet these "Rambo" impersonators bragging about Vietnam and how they "won" the war.

Any other questions?

 

[Kruska]

China is the place where mothers used to kill female babies under the One Child policy

They had abortions - no matter if female or male - Since Chinese law had forbidden to give a sex identification.

Today the government harvests organs from political prisioners

Bullshit - they harvest organs from any prisoner that has been executed - I find that great, at least give a purpose to criminals.

If thats how the communist monsters treat their own people its even worse for foreigners

They are not communist since 1980 - you dolt. And they treat foreigners just as their own - you deal in drugs, 7.62mm you go.
And foreigners for petty crimes e.g. DUI are far better treated then locals.

Btw: Your history is wrong

The US did not attack china in 1951

Oh my, how little you know!

AI
Yes, during the Korean War, United States warplanes bombed and strafed Chinese territory, specifically targeting areas near the Yalu River border between late 1950 and early 1951 - multiple times in August 1950, attacking the city of Dandong and surrounding areas.
The CIA planned "third force" operations against China in 1951,, investing in guerilla resistance, though major infiltration efforts didn't materialize later.

Anyway your post clearly shows you got no clue about China and only parrot anti-China garbage - like most of your countrymen.

 

[Concerned American]

I studied it extensively whilst attending a military College and University. At the time I even happened to live in Malaysia/Singapore and could get my daily information from US military personal that served or had served in Vietnam. BTW the half brother "Andy" and his sister (Julia Nickson) actually a Singaporean-Brit, playing in the Rambo II movie, were class/school mates of mine.

Only later in the USA, Thailand's beaches, South Africa and Germany I got to meet these "Rambo" impersonators bragging about Vietnam and how they "won" the war.

Any other questions?

IOW, you didn't play any part. Run along.

 

[Kruska]

IOW, you didn't play any part. Run along.

Even if you have had iced Coke, VD and a joint in Vietnam - you still don't know shit, your previous posts proof that abundantly.

 

[Meathead]

Like the Viet Cong of 50-odd years ago, the Iranians have perceived the American superpower’s Achilles heel: “They understand that the U.S. could drop thousands of tons of bombs, but it does not possess the patience to withstand a prolonged war.”

We still live in a country that was fundamentally reshaped by defeat in the Vietnam War, the social and cultural revolutions of the 1960s and the economic crises of the 1970s and ‘80s, even if most living Americans do not remember those events. Politicians of both parties must loudly proclaim a quasi-religious belief that America is an exceptional and “indispensable” nation, anointed by God or history or the unique genius of the Founders. To suggest otherwise is tantamount to treason, even if Trump’s MAGA motto seems to carry a heretical subtext: Somewhere along the way, it’s implied, America’s greatness has been lost or stolen or corrupted by corporate diversity programs, NFL rule changes, renewable energy and, of course, Barack Hussein Obama.

Trump lost badly in Iran. How does he spin that as a win? - Salon.com

No amount of late-night posting and Fox News bluster can make this world-historical humiliation look like victory

www.salon.com

I'm sure in his mind the Epstein files have gone away, and we will all just forget about all of the sleaze and corruption, the murders of American citizens by ICE, and the theft of more Americans jobs, healthcare and living conditions to give his Project 2025 pals yet another tax cut.

Yeah, cries of victory are rising from the rubble of what's left of Iran.

 

[Mac1958]

Like the Viet Cong of 50-odd years ago, the Iranians have perceived the American superpower’s Achilles heel: “They understand that the U.S. could drop thousands of tons of bombs, but it does not possess the patience to withstand a prolonged war.”

Trump appears to at least understand that he has to get us out of this. The only country on the planet we can consider a good friend and ally now is Israel, and at some point he'll have to find a spine with them.

Just as importantly, if Iran's theocratic lunatics survive this, and they get eases on sanctions and/or some kind of financial control in the Strait, they have won. Obviously Trump will call it The Greatest Victory of All Time and the rubes will actually believe it because they're ignorant and stupid and lost.

Supply chains are damaged and getting worse. American farm bankrupticies are growing and they need fertilizer and cheaper oil yesterday. He has to give Iran a lot and this has to end. Amazingly, I think he knows that.

 

[rightwinger]

Is keeping crazed 12th century Muslim fanatics who hate the USA from getting nukes senseless?....

Tell me more…..I have heard that BS my whole life

Vietnam was going to turn countries to communism like dominos
We need to save Afghanistan from terrorism
In Iraq, we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud

I am tired of us getting into endless wars to “save them”

We are now spending over a trillion a year on a military to act as the worlds policeman

 

[Harry Dresden]

No white flag raised by Tehran - they still control Hormuz, they still are in possession of the enriched uranium, no Regime change, they still are a danger to US bases and US allies, and no sign in any way that they would abandon their nuclear program.

So far - OBVIOUSLY - a total failure on behalf of TACO&Bibi.

thats your opinion....unless you are there you have no idea....its like the Russian Ukraine thing for the last 3-4 years we have heard both sides are winning....yet it still is going on....sorry kruska your opinion means shit...

 

[gipper]

Trump is the fool

He assumed Iran would quickly surrender to his demands

Exactly my point.

 

[berg80]

Like the Viet Cong of 50-odd years ago, the Iranians have perceived the American superpower’s Achilles heel: “They understand that the U.S. could drop thousands of tons of bombs, but it does not possess the patience to withstand a prolonged war.”

We currently possess another glaring weakness. The flawed judgement of an impetuous, erratic, fickle man who, despite his repeated failures in all areas of his life, has the unwarranted hubris to think he always knows best.

 

[Independent thinker]

Like the Viet Cong of 50-odd years ago, the Iranians have perceived the American superpower’s Achilles heel: “They understand that the U.S. could drop thousands of tons of bombs, but it does not possess the patience to withstand a prolonged war.”

We still live in a country that was fundamentally reshaped by defeat in the Vietnam War, the social and cultural revolutions of the 1960s and the economic crises of the 1970s and ‘80s, even if most living Americans do not remember those events. Politicians of both parties must loudly proclaim a quasi-religious belief that America is an exceptional and “indispensable” nation, anointed by God or history or the unique genius of the Founders. To suggest otherwise is tantamount to treason, even if Trump’s MAGA motto seems to carry a heretical subtext: Somewhere along the way, it’s implied, America’s greatness has been lost or stolen or corrupted by corporate diversity programs, NFL rule changes, renewable energy and, of course, Barack Hussein Obama.

Trump lost badly in Iran. How does he spin that as a win? - Salon.com

No amount of late-night posting and Fox News bluster can make this world-historical humiliation look like victory

www.salon.com

I'm sure in his mind the Epstein files have gone away, and we will all just forget about all of the sleaze and corruption, the murders of American citizens by ICE, and the theft of more Americans jobs, healthcare and living conditions to give his Project 2025 pals yet another tax cut.

Iran is desperately wanting us to end the blockade. That means it's working.

 

[Invisibleflash]

Like the Viet Cong of 50-odd years ago, the Iranians have perceived the American superpower’s Achilles heel: “They understand that the U.S. could drop thousands of tons of bombs, but it does not possess the patience to withstand a prolonged war.”

We still live in a country that was fundamentally reshaped by defeat in the Vietnam War, the social and cultural revolutions of the 1960s and the economic crises of the 1970s and ‘80s, even if most living Americans do not remember those events. Politicians of both parties must loudly proclaim a quasi-religious belief that America is an exceptional and “indispensable” nation, anointed by God or history or the unique genius of the Founders. To suggest otherwise is tantamount to treason, even if Trump’s MAGA motto seems to carry a heretical subtext: Somewhere along the way, it’s implied, America’s greatness has been lost or stolen or corrupted by corporate diversity programs, NFL rule changes, renewable energy and, of course, Barack Hussein Obama.

Trump lost badly in Iran. How does he spin that as a win? - Salon.com

No amount of late-night posting and Fox News bluster can make this world-historical humiliation look like victory

www.salon.com

I'm sure in his mind the Epstein files have gone away, and we will all just forget about all of the sleaze and corruption, the murders of American citizens by ICE, and the theft of more Americans jobs, healthcare and living conditions to give his Project 2025 pals yet another tax cut.

YT said Trump and Jews are repositioning for the mother of all attacks to destroy Iran. Here is the synopsis from YT.

1) USA never gives up. Use Syria as an example. It keeps the pressure on for decades until the country falls.

2) Iran is but a steppingstone for Jewmerica to control the world and all energy supplies. The Jews are making noise about taking down Turkey after Iran falls. Once Iran and Turkey falls they can be used as staging grounds to take down Russia. Once Russia falls, China will be isolated and can be controlled by Jewmerica.

The MAGAts support world domination just as the NAZI's did. This is why it is so important the USA loses badly in Iran. If the Jewmerica prevails in Iran then it emboldens their plans for world domination under Führer Trump. And eventually this may mean the destruction of the world. Or Russia and China could just standby and do nothing as they are destroyed. No one knows that answer. But only MAGAts are willing to take that chance.

3) Trump never admits failure. He is a lying conman trained by Roy Cohn. Trump must always win.

4) The USA will continue to dominate and destroy any country in the world that does not do what they are told to do by the USA. The USA will try to control the world until it can't do it any longer which will probably be a long time.

5) The filthy MAGAts swallow every ounce of bullshit Trump feeds them without question.

 

[Hafar1014]

Like the Viet Cong of 50-odd years ago, the Iranians have perceived the American superpower’s Achilles heel: “They understand that the U.S. could drop thousands of tons of bombs, but it does not possess the patience to withstand a prolonged war.”

We still live in a country that was fundamentally reshaped by defeat in the Vietnam War, the social and cultural revolutions of the 1960s and the economic crises of the 1970s and ‘80s, even if most living Americans do not remember those events. Politicians of both parties must loudly proclaim a quasi-religious belief that America is an exceptional and “indispensable” nation, anointed by God or history or the unique genius of the Founders. To suggest otherwise is tantamount to treason, even if Trump’s MAGA motto seems to carry a heretical subtext: Somewhere along the way, it’s implied, America’s greatness has been lost or stolen or corrupted by corporate diversity programs, NFL rule changes, renewable energy and, of course, Barack Hussein Obama.

Trump lost badly in Iran. How does he spin that as a win? - Salon.com

No amount of late-night posting and Fox News bluster can make this world-historical humiliation look like victory

www.salon.com

I'm sure in his mind the Epstein files have gone away, and we will all just forget about all of the sleaze and corruption, the murders of American citizens by ICE, and the theft of more Americans jobs, healthcare and living conditions to give his Project 2025 pals yet another tax cut.

Time is on Trumps side. Iran will collapse very shortly

 

[rightwinger]

Iran is desperately wanting us to end the blockade. That means it's working.

They seem very patient
Trump is the one making noises that we need to get this done

 

[rightwinger]

Time is on Trumps side. Iran will collapse very shortly

Trump has a major election coming up and needs gas prices to go down.

Iran saw what happened when Vietnam and Afghanistan made us wait

 

[Independent thinker]

They seem very patient
Trump is the one making noises that we need to get this done

And yet Trump has been refusing to make a bad deal. Good for him. No nuclear weapons means no nuclear weapons and Iran's latest proposal refuses to even talk about it, even as they claim they're not trying to make nuclear weapons. If they don't really want nuclear weapons then this should be an easy deal and Iran won't even negotiate about it.

 

[rightwinger]

And yet Trump has been refusing to make a bad deal. Good for him. No nuclear weapons means no nuclear weapons and Iran's latest proposal refuses to even talk about it, even as they claim they're not trying to make nuclear weapons. If they don't really want nuclear weapons then this should be an easy deal and Iran won't even negotiate about it.

The only deal Iran is offering is U.S. pulls its troops out of the region, gives Iran total control of the Strait, pays reparations and allows them to keep their uranium

Doesn’t seem they are in a hurry to settle