Trump like millions like me ARE NOT "Anti-immigrants"!!!

[Unkotare]

hm has crafted a crazy point (like his nonsense on numbers of people not having health care) then doubles down on the stupidity.

Yes, the pubs want cheap labor for small business.

Cut welfare to the bone. Result = cheap labor.

You'll find that Americans actually will do those jobs when the labor pool isn't bloated and freebies are scarce.

It's not so much a matter of "cutting" welfare as restricting it to those who really need it.

 

[toomuchtime_]

In reply to toomuchtime

So yes a deportation task force will be created, and you support it like a good little gestapo mentality that you are. Good, so you admit you were unable to understand his speech? The major points were that a federal task force would be created to work with state and local police to apprehend illegals who have committed crimes since arriving in the US and these will be deported.

All sane Americans have been calling for E-Verify, and neither party has done much to get it going. Neither will Trump. The E-Verify law will be strengthened and enforced to deny jobs to illegals, and executive authority will be used to deny federal funding to any city or organization that does not verify the people they provide services to are here legally. By denying them jobs and services, we will be taking away the reasons they had for coming here and the reasons they have for staying, so many will choose to leave voluntarily.

Building a wall will not stop the illegals from getting through. A better solution would to back up the wall with American troops on a six month rotation. A serious wall will be built with surveillance towers and above and below ground sensors to stop illegals from entering the country.

Convince the judge that they are going to deport every illegals with no provisions for humanitarian or other reasons. (1) An executive order or Congressional action will be immediately appealed. (2) Even our conservative SCOTUS will overturn any such actions. While every illegal arrested for any reason will be deported, no measures will be taken to deal with illegals who have chosen to stay despite having no jobs and no services until all these other measures are in place.

There eventually will be amnesty. Don Amnesty even alluded to it earlier in the week. He will flip flop yet again. There will be no amnesty - Obama's executive order of amnesty will be rescinded - and the only path to citizenship will be by leaving voluntarily and getting in line like everyone else to enter legally.

Ok, your hysteria is noted and perhaps someday you will be able to discuss this issue honestly, perhaps not.

 

[JakeStarkey]

In reply to toomuchtime

So yes a deportation task force will be created, and you support it like a good little gestapo mentality that you are. Good, so you admit you were unable to understand his speech? The major points were that a federal task force would be created to work with state and local police to apprehend illegals who have committed crimes since arriving in the US and these will be deported.

All sane Americans have been calling for E-Verify, and neither party has done much to get it going. Neither will Trump. The E-Verify law will be strengthened and enforced to deny jobs to illegals, and executive authority will be used to deny federal funding to any city or organization that does not verify the people they provide services to are here legally. By denying them jobs and services, we will be taking away the reasons they had for coming here and the reasons they have for staying, so many will choose to leave voluntarily.

Building a wall will not stop the illegals from getting through. A better solution would to back up the wall with American troops on a six month rotation. A serious wall will be built with surveillance towers and above and below ground sensors to stop illegals from entering the country.

Convince the judge that they are going to deport every illegals with no provisions for humanitarian or other reasons. (1) An executive order or Congressional action will be immediately appealed. (2) Even our conservative SCOTUS will overturn any such actions. While every illegal arrested for any reason will be deported, no measures will be taken to deal with illegals who have chosen to stay despite having no jobs and no services until all these other measures are in place.

There eventually will be amnesty. Don Amnesty even alluded to it earlier in the week. He will flip flop yet again. There will be no amnesty - Obama's executive order of amnesty will be rescinded - and the only path to citizenship will be by leaving voluntarily and getting in line like everyone else to enter legally.

Ok, your hysteria is noted and perhaps someday you will be able to discuss this issue honestly, perhaps not.

You attack me personally instead of engaging on the points of discussion.

(1) There will be no mass deportation.

(2) E-verify is needed, yes, but Congress won't pass it.

(3) We need more than a wall to secure the border.

(4) Every illegal arrested will not be automatically deported.

(5) Eventually a pathway to citizenship will be created.

These are solid talking points, and your hysterical reaction does not change it.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Dems want to import future voters, yes, and the Pubs want to import cheap labor, yes, and what is everyone's point here?

The argument really is not about a "wall"; it is about "mass deportation." If Trump wins, almost four out of five Americans oppose that Gestapo nonsense.

The American people will not allow police state tactics.

It is not a "police state" tactic to remove an intruder from your home by what ever means necessary.

Except the country as a whole does not fall under the "defend your castle" meme. Your fallacy of false equivalence is noted, overruled, and discarded.

What an idiot. Of course it does, your illegal "Sanctuary" cities notwithstanding.

 

[BluesLegend]

The traitorous establishment hacks in both parties who want to open the borders and allow illegals to just flood in naturally attempt to paint anyone who dares protest as a bigot and racist. If you point to existing immigration law you are a racist bastard. Trump has been the only candidate who has been able to weather the shit storm of racist/bigot accusations and force a discussion of this issue. Otherwise the debate would be over when to grant illegals amnesty, not if and securing the border not at all.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Dems want to import future voters, yes, and the Pubs want to import cheap labor, yes, and what is everyone's point here?

The argument really is not about a "wall"; it is about "mass deportation." If Trump wins, almost four out of five Americans oppose that Gestapo nonsense.

The American people will not allow police state tactics.

It is not a "police state" tactic to remove an intruder from your home by what ever means necessary.

Except the country as a whole does not fall under the "defend your castle" meme. Your fallacy of false equivalence is noted, overruled, and discarded.

What an idiot. Of course it does, your illegal "Sanctuary" cities notwithstanding.

No, it does not. It is a fallacy argument.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Dems want to import future voters, yes, and the Pubs want to import cheap labor, yes, and what is everyone's point here?

The argument really is not about a "wall"; it is about "mass deportation." If Trump wins, almost four out of five Americans oppose that Gestapo nonsense.

The American people will not allow police state tactics.

It is not a "police state" tactic to remove an intruder from your home by what ever means necessary.

Except the country as a whole does not fall under the "defend your castle" meme. Your fallacy of false equivalence is noted, overruled, and discarded.

What an idiot. Of course it does, your illegal "Sanctuary" cities notwithstanding.

No, it does not. It is a fallacy argument.

That's nice.

Run along now.

 

[toomuchtime_]

In reply to toomuchtime

So yes a deportation task force will be created, and you support it like a good little gestapo mentality that you are. Good, so you admit you were unable to understand his speech? The major points were that a federal task force would be created to work with state and local police to apprehend illegals who have committed crimes since arriving in the US and these will be deported.

All sane Americans have been calling for E-Verify, and neither party has done much to get it going. Neither will Trump. The E-Verify law will be strengthened and enforced to deny jobs to illegals, and executive authority will be used to deny federal funding to any city or organization that does not verify the people they provide services to are here legally. By denying them jobs and services, we will be taking away the reasons they had for coming here and the reasons they have for staying, so many will choose to leave voluntarily.

Building a wall will not stop the illegals from getting through. A better solution would to back up the wall with American troops on a six month rotation. A serious wall will be built with surveillance towers and above and below ground sensors to stop illegals from entering the country.

Convince the judge that they are going to deport every illegals with no provisions for humanitarian or other reasons. (1) An executive order or Congressional action will be immediately appealed. (2) Even our conservative SCOTUS will overturn any such actions. While every illegal arrested for any reason will be deported, no measures will be taken to deal with illegals who have chosen to stay despite having no jobs and no services until all these other measures are in place.

There eventually will be amnesty. Don Amnesty even alluded to it earlier in the week. He will flip flop yet again. There will be no amnesty - Obama's executive order of amnesty will be rescinded - and the only path to citizenship will be by leaving voluntarily and getting in line like everyone else to enter legally.

Ok, your hysteria is noted and perhaps someday you will be able to discuss this issue honestly, perhaps not.

You attack me personally instead of engaging on the points of discussion.

(1) There will be no mass deportation.

(2) E-verify is needed, yes, but Congress won't pass it.

(3) We need more than a wall to secure the border.

(4) Every illegal arrested will not be automatically deported.

(5) Eventually a pathway to citizenship will be created.

These are solid talking points, and your hysterical reaction does not change it.

Are you crazy? We were talking abut Trump's speech and nothing you have said is about it.

 

[Unkotare]

'Trump like millions like me ARE NOT "Anti-immigrants"!!!'

Nonsense.

Of course it's about being anti-immigrant; it's about an unwarranted fear common to most on the right of more "brown people" coming into the country.

Hispanic Americans aren't stupid, they know the truth of Trump's bigoted agenda.

More mind-reading?

 

[JakeStarkey]

In reply to toomuchtime

So yes a deportation task force will be created, and you support it like a good little gestapo mentality that you are. Good, so you admit you were unable to understand his speech? The major points were that a federal task force would be created to work with state and local police to apprehend illegals who have committed crimes since arriving in the US and these will be deported.

All sane Americans have been calling for E-Verify, and neither party has done much to get it going. Neither will Trump. The E-Verify law will be strengthened and enforced to deny jobs to illegals, and executive authority will be used to deny federal funding to any city or organization that does not verify the people they provide services to are here legally. By denying them jobs and services, we will be taking away the reasons they had for coming here and the reasons they have for staying, so many will choose to leave voluntarily.

Building a wall will not stop the illegals from getting through. A better solution would to back up the wall with American troops on a six month rotation. A serious wall will be built with surveillance towers and above and below ground sensors to stop illegals from entering the country.

Convince the judge that they are going to deport every illegals with no provisions for humanitarian or other reasons. (1) An executive order or Congressional action will be immediately appealed. (2) Even our conservative SCOTUS will overturn any such actions. While every illegal arrested for any reason will be deported, no measures will be taken to deal with illegals who have chosen to stay despite having no jobs and no services until all these other measures are in place.

There eventually will be amnesty. Don Amnesty even alluded to it earlier in the week. He will flip flop yet again. There will be no amnesty - Obama's executive order of amnesty will be rescinded - and the only path to citizenship will be by leaving voluntarily and getting in line like everyone else to enter legally.

Ok, your hysteria is noted and perhaps someday you will be able to discuss this issue honestly, perhaps not.

You attack me personally instead of engaging on the points of discussion.

(1) There will be no mass deportation.

(2) E-verify is needed, yes, but Congress won't pass it.

(3) We need more than a wall to secure the border.

(4) Every illegal arrested will not be automatically deported.

(5) Eventually a pathway to citizenship will be created.

These are solid talking points, and your hysterical reaction does not change it.

Are you crazy? We were talking abut Trump's speech and nothing you have said is about it.

I responded your point and you ran away.

 

[toomuchtime_]

In reply to toomuchtime

So yes a deportation task force will be created, and you support it like a good little gestapo mentality that you are. Good, so you admit you were unable to understand his speech? The major points were that a federal task force would be created to work with state and local police to apprehend illegals who have committed crimes since arriving in the US and these will be deported.

All sane Americans have been calling for E-Verify, and neither party has done much to get it going. Neither will Trump. The E-Verify law will be strengthened and enforced to deny jobs to illegals, and executive authority will be used to deny federal funding to any city or organization that does not verify the people they provide services to are here legally. By denying them jobs and services, we will be taking away the reasons they had for coming here and the reasons they have for staying, so many will choose to leave voluntarily.

Building a wall will not stop the illegals from getting through. A better solution would to back up the wall with American troops on a six month rotation. A serious wall will be built with surveillance towers and above and below ground sensors to stop illegals from entering the country.

Convince the judge that they are going to deport every illegals with no provisions for humanitarian or other reasons. (1) An executive order or Congressional action will be immediately appealed. (2) Even our conservative SCOTUS will overturn any such actions. While every illegal arrested for any reason will be deported, no measures will be taken to deal with illegals who have chosen to stay despite having no jobs and no services until all these other measures are in place.

There eventually will be amnesty. Don Amnesty even alluded to it earlier in the week. He will flip flop yet again. There will be no amnesty - Obama's executive order of amnesty will be rescinded - and the only path to citizenship will be by leaving voluntarily and getting in line like everyone else to enter legally.

Ok, your hysteria is noted and perhaps someday you will be able to discuss this issue honestly, perhaps not.

You attack me personally instead of engaging on the points of discussion.

(1) There will be no mass deportation.

(2) E-verify is needed, yes, but Congress won't pass it.

(3) We need more than a wall to secure the border.

(4) Every illegal arrested will not be automatically deported.

(5) Eventually a pathway to citizenship will be created.

These are solid talking points, and your hysterical reaction does not change it.

Are you crazy? We were talking abut Trump's speech and nothing you have said is about it.

I responded your point and you ran away.

You didn't respond honestly, indicating you are not capable of having an honest discussion on this issue.

 

[JakeStarkey]

In reply to toomuchtime

So yes a deportation task force will be created, and you support it like a good little gestapo mentality that you are. Good, so you admit you were unable to understand his speech? The major points were that a federal task force would be created to work with state and local police to apprehend illegals who have committed crimes since arriving in the US and these will be deported.

All sane Americans have been calling for E-Verify, and neither party has done much to get it going. Neither will Trump. The E-Verify law will be strengthened and enforced to deny jobs to illegals, and executive authority will be used to deny federal funding to any city or organization that does not verify the people they provide services to are here legally. By denying them jobs and services, we will be taking away the reasons they had for coming here and the reasons they have for staying, so many will choose to leave voluntarily.

Building a wall will not stop the illegals from getting through. A better solution would to back up the wall with American troops on a six month rotation. A serious wall will be built with surveillance towers and above and below ground sensors to stop illegals from entering the country.

Convince the judge that they are going to deport every illegals with no provisions for humanitarian or other reasons. (1) An executive order or Congressional action will be immediately appealed. (2) Even our conservative SCOTUS will overturn any such actions. While every illegal arrested for any reason will be deported, no measures will be taken to deal with illegals who have chosen to stay despite having no jobs and no services until all these other measures are in place.

There eventually will be amnesty. Don Amnesty even alluded to it earlier in the week. He will flip flop yet again. There will be no amnesty - Obama's executive order of amnesty will be rescinded - and the only path to citizenship will be by leaving voluntarily and getting in line like everyone else to enter legally.

Ok, your hysteria is noted and perhaps someday you will be able to discuss this issue honestly, perhaps not.

You attack me personally instead of engaging on the points of discussion.

(1) There will be no mass deportation.

(2) E-verify is needed, yes, but Congress won't pass it.

(3) We need more than a wall to secure the border.

(4) Every illegal arrested will not be automatically deported.

(5) Eventually a pathway to citizenship will be created.

These are solid talking points, and your hysterical reaction does not change it.

Are you crazy? We were talking abut Trump's speech and nothing you have said is about it.

I responded your point and you ran away.

You didn't respond honestly, indicating you are not capable of having an honest discussion on this issue.

You describe yourself.

I responded directly to each of your points.

Can't be more honest that that.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Ok, your hysteria is noted and perhaps someday you will be able to discuss this issue honestly, perhaps not.

You attack me personally instead of engaging on the points of discussion.

(1) There will be no mass deportation.

(2) E-verify is needed, yes, but Congress won't pass it.

(3) We need more than a wall to secure the border.

(4) Every illegal arrested will not be automatically deported.

(5) Eventually a pathway to citizenship will be created.

These are solid talking points, and your hysterical reaction does not change it.

Are you crazy? We were talking abut Trump's speech and nothing you have said is about it.

I responded your point and you ran away.

You didn't respond honestly, indicating you are not capable of having an honest discussion on this issue.

You describe yourself.

I responded directly to each of your points.

Can't be more honest that that.

Clearly, you can't be more honest than that, but that's the problem.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You attack me personally instead of engaging on the points of discussion.

(1) There will be no mass deportation.

(2) E-verify is needed, yes, but Congress won't pass it.

(3) We need more than a wall to secure the border.

(4) Every illegal arrested will not be automatically deported.

(5) Eventually a pathway to citizenship will be created.

These are solid talking points, and your hysterical reaction does not change it.

Are you crazy? We were talking abut Trump's speech and nothing you have said is about it.

I responded your point and you ran away.

You didn't respond honestly, indicating you are not capable of having an honest discussion on this issue.

You describe yourself.

I responded directly to each of your points.

Can't be more honest that that.

Clearly, you can't be more honest than that, but that's the problem.

"Honest" to you I think means be persuaded to your viewpoint. I can't do that and be honest to myself.

It is honest to say there will not mass deportation of any sort; that e-verify is need but won't be passed; that more than a wall is required to secure the border; that every illegal will not be automatically deported; and that eventually, yes, verily, yes, citizenship will be found at the end of a rigorous and defined pathway for illegals.

I will further add that this problem will only be resoled with a secure border, e-verify and rigorous business accountability, and immigration reform.

 

[toomuchtime_]

Are you crazy? We were talking abut Trump's speech and nothing you have said is about it.

I responded your point and you ran away.

You didn't respond honestly, indicating you are not capable of having an honest discussion on this issue.

You describe yourself.

I responded directly to each of your points.

Can't be more honest that that.

Clearly, you can't be more honest than that, but that's the problem.

"Honest" to you I think means be persuaded to your viewpoint. I can't do that and be honest to myself.

It is honest to say there will not mass deportation of any sort; that e-verify is need but won't be passed; that more than a wall is required to secure the border; that every illegal will not be automatically deported; and that eventually, yes, verily, yes, citizenship will be found at the end of a rigorous and defined pathway for illegals.

I will further add that this problem will only be resoled with a secure border, e-verify and rigorous business accountability, and immigration reform.

It's too late to try to rehabilitate yourself, Jake. When you call arresting illegals who have committed crimes since arriving here Gestapo tactics, you reveal yourself as no more than a dim witted bullshitter.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You need rehabilitation because now you are engaged in the Big Lie tactics.

I said that there would be no Mass Deportation because the American people will not permit it.

If you don't have integrity, then just admit it.

Words, as Rush says, have meaning, and you are trying to twist meaning.

You will get punted every time you do that.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You need rehabilitation because now you are engaged in the Big Lie tactics.

I said that there would be no Mass Deportation because the American people will not permit it.

If you don't have integrity, then just admit it.

Words, as Rush says, have meaning, and you are trying to twist meaning.

You will get punted every time you do that.

Do you see how fundamentally and essentially dishonest your are, Jake? Trump never talked about mass deportation or gestapo tactics you blame him for, only dimwits like yourself talk about these things.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You need rehabilitation because now you are engaged in the Big Lie tactics.

I said that there would be no Mass Deportation because the American people will not permit it.

If you don't have integrity, then just admit it.

Words, as Rush says, have meaning, and you are trying to twist meaning.

You will get punted every time you do that.

Do you see how fundamentally and essentially dishonest your are, Jake? Trump never talked about mass deportation or gestapo tactics you blame him for, only dimwits like yourself talk about these things.

See your dishonesty come out because you were corrected.

Trump, and particularly his allies, some on this Board, we certainly talking about mass deportation, and that is gestapo tactics, brother, no two ways about it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The below as discussed is mass deportations. And don't whine he did not use the exact phrase himself: what he meant is obvious. Hitler did not say "genocide"; the term was "final solution."

Rep. Bass says Trump promise to mass-deport Latino families

Earlier on in his campaign, Trump said he would round up "in a very humane way" the millions of undocumented immigrants in the country and send them back to their native countries.

In an interview that aired in September 2015 on CBS’ 60 Minutes, Scott Pelley pressed Trump about what he would do with the population.

Pelley: "Eleven, 12 million illegal immigrants --"

Trump: "Or whatever the number is."

Pelley: "Still in the country, what do you do?"

Trump: "If they've done well, they're going out and they're coming back in legally. Because you said it--"

Pelley: "You're rounding them all up?"

Trump: "We're rounding 'em up in a very humane way, in a very nice way. And they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized. And, by the way, I know it doesn't sound nice. But not everything is nice."

Trump has also discussed having a "deportation force" to remove undocumented immigrants from the country, though he’s also said he would let some come back legally.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You need rehabilitation because now you are engaged in the Big Lie tactics.

I said that there would be no Mass Deportation because the American people will not permit it.

If you don't have integrity, then just admit it.

Words, as Rush says, have meaning, and you are trying to twist meaning.

You will get punted every time you do that.

Do you see how fundamentally and essentially dishonest your are, Jake? Trump never talked about mass deportation or gestapo tactics you blame him for, only dimwits like yourself talk about these things.

See your dishonesty come out because you were corrected.

Trump, and particularly his allies, some on this Board, we certainly talking about mass deportation, and that is gestapo tactics, brother, no two ways about it.

Again, you are lying. Trump never talked about mass deportations, only you and some other dimwits have talked about it. And especially after his last speech, even some one as slow witted as yourself should be able to understand that there is no plan for mass deportations; each case will be dealt with individually and each person will have due process.