Trump lies are unraveling ... New data challenges Trump's economic narrative

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When the 'data' made Trump look good the left tried to give Obama the credit. Now they conveniently spin it the other direction, its all Trump. Has there ever been such a blatantl dishonest group of people?
 

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The greatest economy the world has ever seen is a humongous lie that Trump followers swallow.

The contrary truth to Trump's lies:

1. "I would actually say it’s been a weaker recovery than what we’ve seen previously, particular in comparison to the expansions of the '80s and '90s,” said PNC Bank Chief Economist Gus Faucher."

2. "The recent revision puts Trump's overall monthly average at 177,000.
“We thought we had a bit of acceleration in job growth in 2018, but it looks like instead what we had was roughly the same trend we had before,” Faucher said."

3. "But 31 months into his presidency, Trump now lags previous Democratic presidents when it comes to the Dow's performance. At this point in Obama's first term, the Dow was up 45.2 percent since he took office. For former President Clinton, it was up 39.3 percent. Trump clocks in at 32.2 percent."

4. "“Notwithstanding the White House’s focus on shrinking the trade deficit, expect it to widen by 7 percent to 8 percent for all of 2019, to about $670 billion,” Kiplinger projected"

Trump has damaged the world economy and has started a trade war that may have adverse consequences for decades, for the USA and the global economy.

Meanwhile, US manufacturing is declining, the trade deficit is higher than under Obama, the budget deficit is growing uncontrollably, and Donald Trump has offended allies and supported murderer Mohammed Bin Salman and despots.

The USA is heading towards isolationism which will undo the work of all the presidents who preceded Trump since world war 2 and will trash brand America and damage exports.

New data challenges Trump's economic narrative
I thought it was Obama's economy?
You guys really need to give up this Obama economy thing, it's getting kinda tiresome. And, for those of you who don't pay attention, it's been Trump's economy ever since his tax plan was passed, and further cemented as Trump's economy when he started his trade war with China.
Every time we turn around the left is claiming Obama gets all the credit for Trump's economy, so own it. Naturally we mock their blatant flip flopping, lies, and hypocrisy.
To tell you the truth, the only time I hear it called Obama's economy anymore is by conservatives trying to resurrect a tired old talking point. The tax plan has a direct impact on the economy, so when Trump got his passed, that was the point it became his economy. And, trade wars also have an effect on economies, so it was further cemented as Trump's when he started one with China.

Like I said, you guys gotta knock off the talking points. Hey, I've got a suggestion, how about laying off all the rhetoric and name calling and actually talk about what is happening and how it got started? It's been Trump's economy for a while now.
Lib please the left has been doing this since Trump took office in 2017 and you know it. You double talking lying worthless scum can't even be honest with yourselves. :eusa_hand:
Totally. That Democrat is either dumber then dirt or lying to your face.

Anyone who has been paying attention knows that when good economic news comes out, the Democrats jump in to give obama credit and they haven't stopped.
 
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The greatest economy the world has ever seen is a humongous lie that Trump followers swallow.

The contrary truth to Trump's lies:

1. "I would actually say it’s been a weaker recovery than what we’ve seen previously, particular in comparison to the expansions of the '80s and '90s,” said PNC Bank Chief Economist Gus Faucher."

2. "The recent revision puts Trump's overall monthly average at 177,000.
“We thought we had a bit of acceleration in job growth in 2018, but it looks like instead what we had was roughly the same trend we had before,” Faucher said."

3. "But 31 months into his presidency, Trump now lags previous Democratic presidents when it comes to the Dow's performance. At this point in Obama's first term, the Dow was up 45.2 percent since he took office. For former President Clinton, it was up 39.3 percent. Trump clocks in at 32.2 percent."

4. "“Notwithstanding the White House’s focus on shrinking the trade deficit, expect it to widen by 7 percent to 8 percent for all of 2019, to about $670 billion,” Kiplinger projected"

Trump has damaged the world economy and has started a trade war that may have adverse consequences for decades, for the USA and the global economy.

Meanwhile, US manufacturing is declining, the trade deficit is higher than under Obama, the budget deficit is growing uncontrollably, and Donald Trump has offended allies and supported murderer Mohammed Bin Salman and despots.

The USA is heading towards isolationism which will undo the work of all the presidents who preceded Trump since world war 2 and will trash brand America and damage exports.

New data challenges Trump's economic narrative
I thought it was Obama's economy?
You guys really need to give up this Obama economy thing, it's getting kinda tiresome. And, for those of you who don't pay attention, it's been Trump's economy ever since his tax plan was passed, and further cemented as Trump's economy when he started his trade war with China.
Every time we turn around the left is claiming Obama gets all the credit for Trump's economy, so own it. Naturally we mock their blatant flip flopping, lies, and hypocrisy.
To tell you the truth, the only time I hear it called Obama's economy anymore is by conservatives trying to resurrect a tired old talking point. The tax plan has a direct impact on the economy, so when Trump got his passed, that was the point it became his economy. And, trade wars also have an effect on economies, so it was further cemented as Trump's when he started one with China.

Like I said, you guys gotta knock off the talking points. Hey, I've got a suggestion, how about laying off all the rhetoric and name calling and actually talk about what is happening and how it got started? It's been Trump's economy for a while now.
Lib please the left has been doing this since Trump took office in 2017 and you know it. You double talking lying worthless scum can't even be honest with yourselves. :eusa_hand:
You're right, when Trump was first elected, the economy was running on what Obama had left. But, like I said, when Trump passed his tax plan, it had an effect on the economy, as well as the trade wars, and that is because of Trump.

Yes, there were a lot of people who said it was Obama's economy, but when Trump got his tax plan passed, many said that the new tax plan was a bad idea because it would balloon our debt (which is happening). The trade war was said to be a bad idea also as it would hurt consumers. Obama had zero to do with either deal, so no, it's been Trump's economy for a while.

The only people saying it's Obama's economy anymore are the conservatives whenever the market drops.
 

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I thought it was Obama's economy?
You guys really need to give up this Obama economy thing, it's getting kinda tiresome. And, for those of you who don't pay attention, it's been Trump's economy ever since his tax plan was passed, and further cemented as Trump's economy when he started his trade war with China.
Every time we turn around the left is claiming Obama gets all the credit for Trump's economy, so own it. Naturally we mock their blatant flip flopping, lies, and hypocrisy.
To tell you the truth, the only time I hear it called Obama's economy anymore is by conservatives trying to resurrect a tired old talking point. The tax plan has a direct impact on the economy, so when Trump got his passed, that was the point it became his economy. And, trade wars also have an effect on economies, so it was further cemented as Trump's when he started one with China.

Like I said, you guys gotta knock off the talking points. Hey, I've got a suggestion, how about laying off all the rhetoric and name calling and actually talk about what is happening and how it got started? It's been Trump's economy for a while now.
Lib please the left has been doing this since Trump took office in 2017 and you know it. You double talking lying worthless scum can't even be honest with yourselves. :eusa_hand:
You're right, when Trump was first elected, the economy was running on what Obama had left. But, like I said, when Trump passed his tax plan, it had an effect on the economy, as well as the trade wars, and that is because of Trump.

Yes, there were a lot of people who said it was Obama's economy, but when Trump got his tax plan passed, many said that the new tax plan was a bad idea because it would balloon our debt (which is happening). The trade war was said to be a bad idea also as it would hurt consumers. Obama had zero to do with either deal, so no, it's been Trump's economy for a while.

The only people saying it's Obama's economy anymore are the conservatives whenever the market drops.
LMAO, okay when did it become Trump's economy pick a date because not a month has gone by when the left wasn't crediting Obama for Trump's economy when spin was all they had to explain Trump's wins.
 

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All you have to do is look at the numbers. The basic unemployment rate is excellent. Everything else? Nothing special, and we have an exploded budget to boot. The Laffer Curve has been a straight line.

Trump is doing what he always does, comically overstate the good and transparently dismiss the bad. Trumpsters are doing what they always do, swallow it whole.
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All you have to do is look at the numbers. The basic unemployment rate is excellent. Everything else? Nothing special, and we have an exploded budget to boot. The Laffer Curve has been a straight line.

Trump is doing what he always does, comically overstate the good and transparently dismiss the bad. Trumpsters are doing what they always do, swallow it whole.
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Do you deny that the entire Dem party in congress and their pals in the fake news are rooting against president Trump?
 

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LMAO Trump has broken decades old records in both domestic and global economic optimism, numbers Obama could have only dreamed of achieving. :itsok:
There is not a more meaningless stat that "economic optimism"..not to mention is is steadily going down as people realize the king has no clothes
 

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You guys really need to give up this Obama economy thing, it's getting kinda tiresome. And, for those of you who don't pay attention, it's been Trump's economy ever since his tax plan was passed, and further cemented as Trump's economy when he started his trade war with China.
Every time we turn around the left is claiming Obama gets all the credit for Trump's economy, so own it. Naturally we mock their blatant flip flopping, lies, and hypocrisy.
To tell you the truth, the only time I hear it called Obama's economy anymore is by conservatives trying to resurrect a tired old talking point. The tax plan has a direct impact on the economy, so when Trump got his passed, that was the point it became his economy. And, trade wars also have an effect on economies, so it was further cemented as Trump's when he started one with China.

Like I said, you guys gotta knock off the talking points. Hey, I've got a suggestion, how about laying off all the rhetoric and name calling and actually talk about what is happening and how it got started? It's been Trump's economy for a while now.
Lib please the left has been doing this since Trump took office in 2017 and you know it. You double talking lying worthless scum can't even be honest with yourselves. :eusa_hand:
You're right, when Trump was first elected, the economy was running on what Obama had left. But, like I said, when Trump passed his tax plan, it had an effect on the economy, as well as the trade wars, and that is because of Trump.

Yes, there were a lot of people who said it was Obama's economy, but when Trump got his tax plan passed, many said that the new tax plan was a bad idea because it would balloon our debt (which is happening). The trade war was said to be a bad idea also as it would hurt consumers. Obama had zero to do with either deal, so no, it's been Trump's economy for a while.

The only people saying it's Obama's economy anymore are the conservatives whenever the market drops.
LMAO, okay when did it become Trump's economy pick a date because not a month has gone by when the left wasn't crediting Obama for Trump's economy when spin was all they had to explain Trump's wins.
Not a problem.

The bill was signed into law by President Donald Trump on December 22, 2017. Most of the changes introduced by the bill went into effect on January 1, 2018, and did not affect 2017 taxes.

The date it became Trump's economy was January 1st, 2018 when the tax plan took effect. You can use that date against the liberals if you want. But, many of them look at it the same way I do.
 

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The greatest economy the world has ever seen is a humongous lie that Trump followers swallow.

The contrary truth to Trump's lies:

1. "I would actually say it’s been a weaker recovery than what we’ve seen previously, particular in comparison to the expansions of the '80s and '90s,” said PNC Bank Chief Economist Gus Faucher."

2. "The recent revision puts Trump's overall monthly average at 177,000.
“We thought we had a bit of acceleration in job growth in 2018, but it looks like instead what we had was roughly the same trend we had before,” Faucher said."

3. "But 31 months into his presidency, Trump now lags previous Democratic presidents when it comes to the Dow's performance. At this point in Obama's first term, the Dow was up 45.2 percent since he took office. For former President Clinton, it was up 39.3 percent. Trump clocks in at 32.2 percent."

4. "“Notwithstanding the White House’s focus on shrinking the trade deficit, expect it to widen by 7 percent to 8 percent for all of 2019, to about $670 billion,” Kiplinger projected"

Trump has damaged the world economy and has started a trade war that may have adverse consequences for decades, for the USA and the global economy.

Meanwhile, US manufacturing is declining, the trade deficit is higher than under Obama, the budget deficit is growing uncontrollably, and Donald Trump has offended allies and supported murderer Mohammed Bin Salman and despots.

The USA is heading towards isolationism which will undo the work of all the presidents who preceded Trump since world war 2 and will trash brand America and damage exports.

New data challenges Trump's economic narrative

New data challenges Trump's economic narrative
BY NIV ELIS - 08/25/19 10:50 AM EDT 1,295

President Trump has repeatedly said the U.S. economy under his watch has been extraordinary.
His tweeted descriptors have included "BOOMING," "GREAT," "stronger than ever" and "perhaps the greatest ECONOMY and most successful first two years of any President in history."

But a slew of recent data suggests the Trump economy has fared no differently than other expansions at this stage. And those same numbers indicate the president's economy may be headed toward a downturn.
“I would actually say it’s been a weaker recovery than what we’ve seen previously, particular in comparison to the expansions of the '80s and '90s,” said PNC Bank Chief Economist Gus Faucher.
That viewpoint has been shaped by figures like the ones released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics on Thursday. The agency issued a downward revision showing the economy added 500,000 fewer jobs from January 2018 through March 2019.
What was once an impressive 223,000 jobs added each month last year, on average, may have been closer to 191,000, according to the new data.
Even before the revision, average monthly job growth since Trump took office has been 193,000, below the 208,000 average in former President Obama's second term. The recent revision puts Trump's overall monthly average at 177,000.
“We thought we had a bit of acceleration in job growth in 2018, but it looks like instead what we had was roughly the same trend we had before,” Faucher said.
Economic growth has exhibited a similar pattern.
A downward revision in gross domestic product by government economists robbed the Trump administration of a talking point that it had achieved four consecutive quarters of growth averaging 3 percent, a threshold Trump has long argued is sustainable over a 10-year period.
Goldman Sachs now estimates that growth will slow to 1.8 percent in the fourth quarter of 2019, a figure Trump is unlikely to trumpet.
“If you judge the economy based on how he’s judged the economy, it’s pretty mixed,” says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, referring to Trump. “He took a lot of credit on the stock market, but it’s gone nowhere since January of 2018.”
Indeed, when it comes to the markets, Trump’s first year set him apart from his predecessors. Twelve months into his presidency, the Dow Jones Industrial Average had soared 31.6 percent, more than any other president, and nearly 6 percentage points better than Obama's first year, when the economy was still in recession.
But 31 months into his presidency, Trump now lags previous Democratic presidents when it comes to the Dow's performance. At this point in Obama's first term, the Dow was up 45.2 percent since he took office. For former President Clinton, it was up 39.3 percent. Trump clocks in at 32.2 percent.
In fact, the Dow's performance under Trump is closest to former President George H.W. Bush, who lost his reelection bid after the economy slipped into a recession.
Trump also came into office promising to wipe out the national debt and lower the trade deficit. Instead, the opposite has happened.
The federal deficit this year is expected to hit close to $1 trillion, up some 70 percent from its 2016 level of $587 billion. Meanwhile, the trade deficit, which stood at $502.3 billion before Trump came into office, has also ballooned.
“Notwithstanding the White House’s focus on shrinking the trade deficit, expect it to widen by 7 percent to 8 percent for all of 2019, to about $670 billion,” Kiplinger projected earlier this month in its economic forecast. “It’s up by 8 percent already in the first half of this year from the comparable first six months of 2018.”
But that's not say the economy is in dire straits. Some bright spots stand out.
“In terms of unemployment levels, the economy looks great,” said Barry Bosworth, a senior fellow in the Economic Studies program at the Brookings Institution.
He noted that the jobless rate is near 50-year lows, more people are working and wages have even started ticking up.
“But if you’re looking at growth rates, it’s unusually slow,” Bosworth added. “This is the longest economic expansion in history, but it’s also the slowest."
Economists point to lower productivity as one reason growth has not accelerated.
Then there are the concerns that a downturn could be on the horizon. In recent weeks, yields on long-term bonds have risen higher than those on short-term ones, creating what's known as “an inverted yield curve.” It's considered one of the best predictors of a recession, though on average the events are separated by 22 months.
“I would expect to see growth slow in the next couple of years, even if there’s not a recession,” said Faucher.
With the stimulus of the 2017 tax law wearing off and a trade war with China escalating almost monthly, Trump may have to answer for a slowing economy as he seeks a second term in office.
“I would say his economy is on borrowed time,” said Zandi. “He bought himself some time by borrowing lots of money and cutting a big check to business and high-income households, but I think his policies are driving the economy into the ditch.”
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Probably the biggest thing to feed the Great Depression was the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act, in June 1930. It resembles Trumps Tariffs to the letter. And the rest of the world (especially the EU) is starting to push back.

The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Led to a Dramatic Decline in US Trade

Then there was to collapse of the Banks but FDIC prevents that from happening (FDR) for the most part. The Buyout of the Banks in 2009 was also another reason we didn't go into a Depression instead of a short recession.

Here is more good reading.
https://www.cland.k12.ky.us/userfiles/13/classes/441/5causesofthegreatdepression.pdf?id=8459

Okay, you rumps, educate yourself. I just gave you the tools.
 

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All you have to do is look at the numbers. The basic unemployment rate is excellent. Everything else? Nothing special, and we have an exploded budget to boot. The Laffer Curve has been a straight line. Trump is doing what he always does, comically overstate the good and transparently dismiss the bad. Trumpsters are doing what they always do, swallow it whole.
Do you deny that the entire Dem party in congress and their pals in the fake news are rooting against president Trump?
No, I don't deny that. That's the shitty state of our politics right now. The GOP and talk radio rooted against Obama.

Peas in a pod.

You wingers are killing us.
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LMAO Trump has broken decades old records in both domestic and global economic optimism, numbers Obama could have only dreamed of achieving. :itsok:
That's the problem between optimism and reality. Trump has broken the link to reality.

Obama was the sorcerer and Trump is the sorcerer's apprentice who screws up.
Who's this 'Obama' guy you keep talking about?
 

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The greatest economy the world has ever seen is a humongous lie that Trump followers swallow.

The contrary truth to Trump's lies:

1. "I would actually say it’s been a weaker recovery than what we’ve seen previously, particular in comparison to the expansions of the '80s and '90s,” said PNC Bank Chief Economist Gus Faucher."

2. "The recent revision puts Trump's overall monthly average at 177,000.
“We thought we had a bit of acceleration in job growth in 2018, but it looks like instead what we had was roughly the same trend we had before,” Faucher said."

3. "But 31 months into his presidency, Trump now lags previous Democratic presidents when it comes to the Dow's performance. At this point in Obama's first term, the Dow was up 45.2 percent since he took office. For former President Clinton, it was up 39.3 percent. Trump clocks in at 32.2 percent."

4. "“Notwithstanding the White House’s focus on shrinking the trade deficit, expect it to widen by 7 percent to 8 percent for all of 2019, to about $670 billion,” Kiplinger projected"

Trump has damaged the world economy and has started a trade war that may have adverse consequences for decades, for the USA and the global economy.

Meanwhile, US manufacturing is declining, the trade deficit is higher than under Obama, the budget deficit is growing uncontrollably, and Donald Trump has offended allies and supported murderer Mohammed Bin Salman and despots.

The USA is heading towards isolationism which will undo the work of all the presidents who preceded Trump since world war 2 and will trash brand America and damage exports.

New data challenges Trump's economic narrative

New data challenges Trump's economic narrative
BY NIV ELIS - 08/25/19 10:50 AM EDT 1,295

President Trump has repeatedly said the U.S. economy under his watch has been extraordinary.
His tweeted descriptors have included "BOOMING," "GREAT," "stronger than ever" and "perhaps the greatest ECONOMY and most successful first two years of any President in history."

But a slew of recent data suggests the Trump economy has fared no differently than other expansions at this stage. And those same numbers indicate the president's economy may be headed toward a downturn.
“I would actually say it’s been a weaker recovery than what we’ve seen previously, particular in comparison to the expansions of the '80s and '90s,” said PNC Bank Chief Economist Gus Faucher.
That viewpoint has been shaped by figures like the ones released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics on Thursday. The agency issued a downward revision showing the economy added 500,000 fewer jobs from January 2018 through March 2019.
What was once an impressive 223,000 jobs added each month last year, on average, may have been closer to 191,000, according to the new data.
Even before the revision, average monthly job growth since Trump took office has been 193,000, below the 208,000 average in former President Obama's second term. The recent revision puts Trump's overall monthly average at 177,000.
“We thought we had a bit of acceleration in job growth in 2018, but it looks like instead what we had was roughly the same trend we had before,” Faucher said.
Economic growth has exhibited a similar pattern.
A downward revision in gross domestic product by government economists robbed the Trump administration of a talking point that it had achieved four consecutive quarters of growth averaging 3 percent, a threshold Trump has long argued is sustainable over a 10-year period.
Goldman Sachs now estimates that growth will slow to 1.8 percent in the fourth quarter of 2019, a figure Trump is unlikely to trumpet.
“If you judge the economy based on how he’s judged the economy, it’s pretty mixed,” says Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, referring to Trump. “He took a lot of credit on the stock market, but it’s gone nowhere since January of 2018.”
Indeed, when it comes to the markets, Trump’s first year set him apart from his predecessors. Twelve months into his presidency, the Dow Jones Industrial Average had soared 31.6 percent, more than any other president, and nearly 6 percentage points better than Obama's first year, when the economy was still in recession.
But 31 months into his presidency, Trump now lags previous Democratic presidents when it comes to the Dow's performance. At this point in Obama's first term, the Dow was up 45.2 percent since he took office. For former President Clinton, it was up 39.3 percent. Trump clocks in at 32.2 percent.
In fact, the Dow's performance under Trump is closest to former President George H.W. Bush, who lost his reelection bid after the economy slipped into a recession.
Trump also came into office promising to wipe out the national debt and lower the trade deficit. Instead, the opposite has happened.
The federal deficit this year is expected to hit close to $1 trillion, up some 70 percent from its 2016 level of $587 billion. Meanwhile, the trade deficit, which stood at $502.3 billion before Trump came into office, has also ballooned.
“Notwithstanding the White House’s focus on shrinking the trade deficit, expect it to widen by 7 percent to 8 percent for all of 2019, to about $670 billion,” Kiplinger projected earlier this month in its economic forecast. “It’s up by 8 percent already in the first half of this year from the comparable first six months of 2018.”
But that's not say the economy is in dire straits. Some bright spots stand out.
“In terms of unemployment levels, the economy looks great,” said Barry Bosworth, a senior fellow in the Economic Studies program at the Brookings Institution.
He noted that the jobless rate is near 50-year lows, more people are working and wages have even started ticking up.
“But if you’re looking at growth rates, it’s unusually slow,” Bosworth added. “This is the longest economic expansion in history, but it’s also the slowest."
Economists point to lower productivity as one reason growth has not accelerated.
Then there are the concerns that a downturn could be on the horizon. In recent weeks, yields on long-term bonds have risen higher than those on short-term ones, creating what's known as “an inverted yield curve.” It's considered one of the best predictors of a recession, though on average the events are separated by 22 months.
“I would expect to see growth slow in the next couple of years, even if there’s not a recession,” said Faucher.
With the stimulus of the 2017 tax law wearing off and a trade war with China escalating almost monthly, Trump may have to answer for a slowing economy as he seeks a second term in office.
“I would say his economy is on borrowed time,” said Zandi. “He bought himself some time by borrowing lots of money and cutting a big check to business and high-income households, but I think his policies are driving the economy into the ditch.”
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I thought it was Obama's economy?
It's only Obama's economy till they're able to cause it to have a downturn....then it's Trump's economy.
But as long as things are going well, Obama deserves full credit for other people's accomplishments.
And if everything goes to shit.....well...Obama is out golfing.
It's just like when Obama was in office.
 

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LMAO Trump has broken decades old records in both domestic and global economic optimism, numbers Obama could have only dreamed of achieving. :itsok:
That's the problem between optimism and reality. Trump has broken the link to reality.

Obama was the sorcerer and Trump is the sorcerer's apprentice who screws up.
Who's this 'Obama' guy you keep talking about?
He was a disorganized-crime figure and terrorist supporter who helped Iran get stealth drones so they could attack Israel.
 

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Every time we turn around the left is claiming Obama gets all the credit for Trump's economy, so own it. Naturally we mock their blatant flip flopping, lies, and hypocrisy.
To tell you the truth, the only time I hear it called Obama's economy anymore is by conservatives trying to resurrect a tired old talking point. The tax plan has a direct impact on the economy, so when Trump got his passed, that was the point it became his economy. And, trade wars also have an effect on economies, so it was further cemented as Trump's when he started one with China.

Like I said, you guys gotta knock off the talking points. Hey, I've got a suggestion, how about laying off all the rhetoric and name calling and actually talk about what is happening and how it got started? It's been Trump's economy for a while now.
Lib please the left has been doing this since Trump took office in 2017 and you know it. You double talking lying worthless scum can't even be honest with yourselves. :eusa_hand:
You're right, when Trump was first elected, the economy was running on what Obama had left. But, like I said, when Trump passed his tax plan, it had an effect on the economy, as well as the trade wars, and that is because of Trump.

Yes, there were a lot of people who said it was Obama's economy, but when Trump got his tax plan passed, many said that the new tax plan was a bad idea because it would balloon our debt (which is happening). The trade war was said to be a bad idea also as it would hurt consumers. Obama had zero to do with either deal, so no, it's been Trump's economy for a while.

The only people saying it's Obama's economy anymore are the conservatives whenever the market drops.
LMAO, okay when did it become Trump's economy pick a date because not a month has gone by when the left wasn't crediting Obama for Trump's economy when spin was all they had to explain Trump's wins.
Not a problem.

The bill was signed into law by President Donald Trump on December 22, 2017. Most of the changes introduced by the bill went into effect on January 1, 2018, and did not affect 2017 taxes.

The date it became Trump's economy was January 1st, 2018 when the tax plan took effect. You can use that date against the liberals if you want. But, many of them look at it the same way I do.
Oh, so you're one of those dishonest folk that think a president cannot sign EOs that take effect immediately?

Heck....Obama raised excise-taxes on goods and services within his first week, breaking his promise not to raise taxes on the poor. That had immediate effect on the economy. Trump was busy reversing much of the damage that Obama caused and did alot of it in the first 100 days.

So WTF? Obama actually tried to take credit for the effects of that tax-cut.......saying that all of the good things were only happening because Obama started it moving. That was what you penis-breath Mofos were trying to say before the left started this recession campaign.
 

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To tell you the truth, the only time I hear it called Obama's economy anymore is by conservatives trying to resurrect a tired old talking point. The tax plan has a direct impact on the economy, so when Trump got his passed, that was the point it became his economy. And, trade wars also have an effect on economies, so it was further cemented as Trump's when he started one with China.

Like I said, you guys gotta knock off the talking points. Hey, I've got a suggestion, how about laying off all the rhetoric and name calling and actually talk about what is happening and how it got started? It's been Trump's economy for a while now.
Lib please the left has been doing this since Trump took office in 2017 and you know it. You double talking lying worthless scum can't even be honest with yourselves. :eusa_hand:
You're right, when Trump was first elected, the economy was running on what Obama had left. But, like I said, when Trump passed his tax plan, it had an effect on the economy, as well as the trade wars, and that is because of Trump.

Yes, there were a lot of people who said it was Obama's economy, but when Trump got his tax plan passed, many said that the new tax plan was a bad idea because it would balloon our debt (which is happening). The trade war was said to be a bad idea also as it would hurt consumers. Obama had zero to do with either deal, so no, it's been Trump's economy for a while.

The only people saying it's Obama's economy anymore are the conservatives whenever the market drops.
LMAO, okay when did it become Trump's economy pick a date because not a month has gone by when the left wasn't crediting Obama for Trump's economy when spin was all they had to explain Trump's wins.
Not a problem.

The bill was signed into law by President Donald Trump on December 22, 2017. Most of the changes introduced by the bill went into effect on January 1, 2018, and did not affect 2017 taxes.

The date it became Trump's economy was January 1st, 2018 when the tax plan took effect. You can use that date against the liberals if you want. But, many of them look at it the same way I do.
Oh, so you're one of those dishonest folk that think a president cannot sign EOs that take effect immediately?

Heck....Obama raised excise-taxes on goods and services within his first week, breaking his promise not to raise taxes on the poor. That had immediate effect on the economy. Trump was busy reversing much of the damage that Obama caused and did alot of it in the first 100 days.

So WTF? Obama actually tried to take credit for the effects of that tax-cut.......saying that all of the good things were only happening because Obama started it moving. That was what you penis-breath Mofos were trying to say before the left started this recession campaign.
I wasn't asked about EO's, I was asked what date it went from the Obama economy to the Trump economy, and that date was 1 Jan, 2018, when the tax plan went into effect. Ever since that day, it has firmly been Trump's economy. Obama didn't have any say in what was in that bill, or if it went into effect.

So, knock it off with the "Obama economy" bullshit.
 

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Lib please the left has been doing this since Trump took office in 2017 and you know it. You double talking lying worthless scum can't even be honest with yourselves. :eusa_hand:
You're right, when Trump was first elected, the economy was running on what Obama had left. But, like I said, when Trump passed his tax plan, it had an effect on the economy, as well as the trade wars, and that is because of Trump.

Yes, there were a lot of people who said it was Obama's economy, but when Trump got his tax plan passed, many said that the new tax plan was a bad idea because it would balloon our debt (which is happening). The trade war was said to be a bad idea also as it would hurt consumers. Obama had zero to do with either deal, so no, it's been Trump's economy for a while.

The only people saying it's Obama's economy anymore are the conservatives whenever the market drops.
LMAO, okay when did it become Trump's economy pick a date because not a month has gone by when the left wasn't crediting Obama for Trump's economy when spin was all they had to explain Trump's wins.
Not a problem.

The bill was signed into law by President Donald Trump on December 22, 2017. Most of the changes introduced by the bill went into effect on January 1, 2018, and did not affect 2017 taxes.

The date it became Trump's economy was January 1st, 2018 when the tax plan took effect. You can use that date against the liberals if you want. But, many of them look at it the same way I do.
Oh, so you're one of those dishonest folk that think a president cannot sign EOs that take effect immediately?

Heck....Obama raised excise-taxes on goods and services within his first week, breaking his promise not to raise taxes on the poor. That had immediate effect on the economy. Trump was busy reversing much of the damage that Obama caused and did alot of it in the first 100 days.

So WTF? Obama actually tried to take credit for the effects of that tax-cut.......saying that all of the good things were only happening because Obama started it moving. That was what you penis-breath Mofos were trying to say before the left started this recession campaign.
I wasn't asked about EO's, I was asked what date it went from the Obama economy to the Trump economy, and that date was 1 Jan, 2018, when the tax plan went into effect. Ever since that day, it has firmly been Trump's economy. Obama didn't have any say in what was in that bill, or if it went into effect.

So, knock it off with the "Obama economy" bullshit.
Well since its only YOUR side that keeps trying to give Obozo credit for all Trump has done tell your people to knock it off. Obozo himself keeps trying to take credit for everything.
 

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You're right, when Trump was first elected, the economy was running on what Obama had left. But, like I said, when Trump passed his tax plan, it had an effect on the economy, as well as the trade wars, and that is because of Trump.

Yes, there were a lot of people who said it was Obama's economy, but when Trump got his tax plan passed, many said that the new tax plan was a bad idea because it would balloon our debt (which is happening). The trade war was said to be a bad idea also as it would hurt consumers. Obama had zero to do with either deal, so no, it's been Trump's economy for a while.

The only people saying it's Obama's economy anymore are the conservatives whenever the market drops.
LMAO, okay when did it become Trump's economy pick a date because not a month has gone by when the left wasn't crediting Obama for Trump's economy when spin was all they had to explain Trump's wins.
Not a problem.

The bill was signed into law by President Donald Trump on December 22, 2017. Most of the changes introduced by the bill went into effect on January 1, 2018, and did not affect 2017 taxes.

The date it became Trump's economy was January 1st, 2018 when the tax plan took effect. You can use that date against the liberals if you want. But, many of them look at it the same way I do.
Oh, so you're one of those dishonest folk that think a president cannot sign EOs that take effect immediately?

Heck....Obama raised excise-taxes on goods and services within his first week, breaking his promise not to raise taxes on the poor. That had immediate effect on the economy. Trump was busy reversing much of the damage that Obama caused and did alot of it in the first 100 days.

So WTF? Obama actually tried to take credit for the effects of that tax-cut.......saying that all of the good things were only happening because Obama started it moving. That was what you penis-breath Mofos were trying to say before the left started this recession campaign.
I wasn't asked about EO's, I was asked what date it went from the Obama economy to the Trump economy, and that date was 1 Jan, 2018, when the tax plan went into effect. Ever since that day, it has firmly been Trump's economy. Obama didn't have any say in what was in that bill, or if it went into effect.

So, knock it off with the "Obama economy" bullshit.
Well since its only YOUR side that keeps trying to give Obozo credit for all Trump has done tell your people to knock it off. Obozo himself keeps trying to take credit for everything.
They flip flop on this daily
 

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You're right, when Trump was first elected, the economy was running on what Obama had left. But, like I said, when Trump passed his tax plan, it had an effect on the economy, as well as the trade wars, and that is because of Trump.

Yes, there were a lot of people who said it was Obama's economy, but when Trump got his tax plan passed, many said that the new tax plan was a bad idea because it would balloon our debt (which is happening). The trade war was said to be a bad idea also as it would hurt consumers. Obama had zero to do with either deal, so no, it's been Trump's economy for a while.

The only people saying it's Obama's economy anymore are the conservatives whenever the market drops.
LMAO, okay when did it become Trump's economy pick a date because not a month has gone by when the left wasn't crediting Obama for Trump's economy when spin was all they had to explain Trump's wins.
Not a problem.

The bill was signed into law by President Donald Trump on December 22, 2017. Most of the changes introduced by the bill went into effect on January 1, 2018, and did not affect 2017 taxes.

The date it became Trump's economy was January 1st, 2018 when the tax plan took effect. You can use that date against the liberals if you want. But, many of them look at it the same way I do.
Oh, so you're one of those dishonest folk that think a president cannot sign EOs that take effect immediately?

Heck....Obama raised excise-taxes on goods and services within his first week, breaking his promise not to raise taxes on the poor. That had immediate effect on the economy. Trump was busy reversing much of the damage that Obama caused and did alot of it in the first 100 days.

So WTF? Obama actually tried to take credit for the effects of that tax-cut.......saying that all of the good things were only happening because Obama started it moving. That was what you penis-breath Mofos were trying to say before the left started this recession campaign.
I wasn't asked about EO's, I was asked what date it went from the Obama economy to the Trump economy, and that date was 1 Jan, 2018, when the tax plan went into effect. Ever since that day, it has firmly been Trump's economy. Obama didn't have any say in what was in that bill, or if it went into effect.

So, knock it off with the "Obama economy" bullshit.
Well since its only YOUR side that keeps trying to give Obozo credit for all Trump has done tell your people to knock it off. Obozo himself keeps trying to take credit for everything.
To tell you the truth, the only time I hear sneering remarks about "Obama's economy" is when it's coming from conservatives.
 

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