Trump is the ultimate fail for pandemic responses, while China did a great job.

[martybegan]

As U.S. tops global tally of coronavirus cases, Trump is at odds with reality We have now surpassed China for Coronavirus cases and our population is lower. Go figure. Just proves how well their leadership has tackled this virus with their mandatory quarantines and preparedness. The lack of interest in this pandemic by Trump has taken its toll with loss of life, coupled with all the lies that lead the people in the wrong direction with their preparedness. He told his base it was a hoax for Gods sake, and they said it doesn't exist. Add that with the failure to not declare the defense production act, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are going to look like a scratch in comparison, if Trump doesn't act, or gets the hell out of the way. Having bidding wars with companies to make masks is insane for example. They are bidding over making money, while people die. To hell with that failure. The defense production act has to happen yesterday. Trump with this ultimate failure of his, has done enough damage already. Can you believe it, he wants everybody to get together to go find the easter bunny, a few Sundays from now because it will be beautiful. In the mean time, people are dropping like flies, because we either are in short supply, or have no masks, gloves, or ventilators. But ha, let's all walk out of church together on easter Sunday and have an easter egg hunt. What a sick, selfish. monster he is.

You actually believe the numbers coming out of China?

Ha idiot, these numbers aren't coming out of China;

How the US stacks up to other countries in confirmed coronavirus cases

The United States has about a third of the world’s coronavirus cases.

www.vox.com

They get the numbers for China from China.......

 

[BWK]

As U.S. tops global tally of coronavirus cases, Trump is at odds with reality We have now surpassed China for Coronavirus cases and our population is lower. Go figure. Just proves how well their leadership has tackled this virus with their mandatory quarantines and preparedness. The lack of interest in this pandemic by Trump has taken its toll with loss of life, coupled with all the lies that lead the people in the wrong direction with their preparedness. He told his base it was a hoax for Gods sake, and they said it doesn't exist. Add that with the failure to not declare the defense production act, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are going to look like a scratch in comparison, if Trump doesn't act, or gets the hell out of the way. Having bidding wars with companies to make masks is insane for example. They are bidding over making money, while people die. To hell with that failure. The defense production act has to happen yesterday. Trump with this ultimate failure of his, has done enough damage already. Can you believe it, he wants everybody to get together to go find the easter bunny, a few Sundays from now because it will be beautiful. In the mean time, people are dropping like flies, because we either are in short supply, or have no masks, gloves, or ventilators. But ha, let's all walk out of church together on easter Sunday and have an easter egg hunt. What a sick, selfish. monster he is.

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Still shilling for the CCP?

He's not alone. Most of Democrats are doing it. Even zombie Hillary came out of woodshed, and praised China, and they even thank her for that.

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Pretty obvious isn’t it? The CCP is openly working with Democrats now. Fifth columnists being praised by a an overseas Communist Party for their work against America’s elected government.

And it goes both ways. I’ve been watching as the media led off praising China first and then, like clockwork puppets, the dolts here began chattering and praising China within hours.

"Obvious?" And the obvious proof is?

 

[BWK]

As U.S. tops global tally of coronavirus cases, Trump is at odds with reality We have now surpassed China for Coronavirus cases and our population is lower. Go figure. Just proves how well their leadership has tackled this virus with their mandatory quarantines and preparedness. The lack of interest in this pandemic by Trump has taken its toll with loss of life, coupled with all the lies that lead the people in the wrong direction with their preparedness. He told his base it was a hoax for Gods sake, and they said it doesn't exist. Add that with the failure to not declare the defense production act, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are going to look like a scratch in comparison, if Trump doesn't act, or gets the hell out of the way. Having bidding wars with companies to make masks is insane for example. They are bidding over making money, while people die. To hell with that failure. The defense production act has to happen yesterday. Trump with this ultimate failure of his, has done enough damage already. Can you believe it, he wants everybody to get together to go find the easter bunny, a few Sundays from now because it will be beautiful. In the mean time, people are dropping like flies, because we either are in short supply, or have no masks, gloves, or ventilators. But ha, let's all walk out of church together on easter Sunday and have an easter egg hunt. What a sick, selfish. monster he is.

You actually believe the numbers coming out of China?

Ha idiot, these numbers aren't coming out of China;

How the US stacks up to other countries in confirmed coronavirus cases

The United States has about a third of the world’s coronavirus cases.

www.vox.com

They get the numbers for China from China.......

Okay, then show us the proof. Don't just tell us about it. Otherwise, I may just have to call you a liar. And by the way, the numbers we are discussing, are all numbers for all countries. We have our own numbers, and so far our own numbers have not been debunked by any source.

 

[Harry Dresden]

china did a great job in unleashing this thing.....

And they did a great job containing it. Trump failed on both ends.

so you believe what china tells you?...

 

[Pogo]

As U.S. tops global tally of coronavirus cases, Trump is at odds with reality We have now surpassed China for Coronavirus cases and our population is lower. Go figure. Just proves how well their leadership has tackled this virus with their mandatory quarantines and preparedness. The lack of interest in this pandemic by Trump has taken its toll with loss of life, coupled with all the lies that lead the people in the wrong direction with their preparedness. He told his base it was a hoax for Gods sake, and they said it doesn't exist. Add that with the failure to not declare the defense production act, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are going to look like a scratch in comparison, if Trump doesn't act, or gets the hell out of the way. Having bidding wars with companies to make masks is insane for example. They are bidding over making money, while people die. To hell with that failure. The defense production act has to happen yesterday. Trump with this ultimate failure of his, has done enough damage already. Can you believe it, he wants everybody to get together to go find the easter bunny, a few Sundays from now because it will be beautiful. In the mean time, people are dropping like flies, because we either are in short supply, or have no masks, gloves, or ventilators. But ha, let's all walk out of church together on easter Sunday and have an easter egg hunt. What a sick, selfish. monster he is.

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It's pretty difficult to characterize a nation that suppressed and denied its own pandemic in the interest of saving face (and money), thereby irresponsibly putting the world at risk, as having done a "great job". It did eventually get it and react with strong containment measures.

Now the question for us is whether Rump, who took exactly the same unicorns-and-rainbows 'nothing to see here' approach for exactly the same reasons, will follow suit and get it as well. Fortunately for us he doesn't have the power to neglect such a course as does, say, the Governor of Mississippi. But he does have influence from the attention he relentlessly craves and has already brought about shattering an Arizona couple's lives out of his carelessness.

China, South Korea, Iceland, several places have taken effective measures. A town in Italy which recorded the first death in that country wiped out the virus by literally testing everybody, symptomatic or not, finding that up to half of the infected were showing no symptoms, meaning they were actively passing on infections. We have to presume that's going on wherever the virus is, which is everywhere except Antarctica.

 

[Pogo]

china did a great job in unleashing this thing.....

And they did a great job containing it. Trump failed on both ends.

so you believe what china [sic] tells you?...

Irrelevant, Harry. Those are the numbers we have. Anyone who has different numbers is welcome to post them but absent that, you can't just dismiss numbers because you don't like what they indicate. Hell, I don't like the way our own numbers are exploding so exponentially --- can I just dismiss them? There is precedent after all. The USG did lie through its teeth about the pandemic of 102 years ago soooooooo......

 

[Pogo]

If President Trump had clamped down with military level force exactly like China did, you would be calling him a ruthless dictator. You are the classic mind controlled Trump hater twisting everything that happens into "ORANGE MAN BAD".

Not only is that Speculation Fallacy since you have no way to know what "you would" do, it also flies in the face of current reality, since states, cities, governors and the public in general are already voluntarily following the prescribed measures as best they can.

 

[Harry Dresden]

china did a great job in unleashing this thing.....

And they did a great job containing it. Trump failed on both ends.

so you believe what china [sic] tells you?...

Irrelevant, Harry. Those are the numbers we have. Anyone who has different numbers is welcome to post them but absent that, you can't just dismiss numbers because you don't like what they indicate. Hell, I don't like the way our own numbers are exploding so exponentially --- can I just dismiss them? There is precedent after all. The USG did lie through its teeth about the pandemic of 102 years ago soooooooo......

it aint irrelevant if you cant believe what those asses are telling us....

 

[Pogo]

china did a great job in unleashing this thing.....

And they did a great job containing it. Trump failed on both ends.

so you believe what china [sic] tells you?...

Irrelevant, Harry. Those are the numbers we have. Anyone who has different numbers is welcome to post them but absent that, you can't just dismiss numbers because you don't like what they indicate. Hell, I don't like the way our own numbers are exploding so exponentially --- can I just dismiss them? There is precedent after all. The USG did lie through its teeth about the pandemic of 102 years ago soooooooo......

it aint irrelevant if you cant believe what those asses are telling us....

It is irrelevant if you have no basis. You can choose to disbelieve any numbers you want, that doesn't mean they don't exist. Again, find us other numbers. Suspect this, suspect that, but the only numbers we KNOW we can't trust are those from North Korea.

 

[Harry Dresden]

china did a great job in unleashing this thing.....

And they did a great job containing it. Trump failed on both ends.

so you believe what china [sic] tells you?...

Irrelevant, Harry. Those are the numbers we have. Anyone who has different numbers is welcome to post them but absent that, you can't just dismiss numbers because you don't like what they indicate. Hell, I don't like the way our own numbers are exploding so exponentially --- can I just dismiss them? There is precedent after all. The USG did lie through its teeth about the pandemic of 102 years ago soooooooo......

it aint irrelevant if you cant believe what those asses are telling us....

It is irrelevant if you have no basis. You can choose to disbelieve any numbers you want, that doesn't mean they don't exist. Again, find us other numbers. Suspect this, suspect that, but the only numbers we KNOW we can't trust are those from North Korea.

if you want to believe what china is feeding you pogo...go for it....

 

[OnePercenter]

As U.S. tops global tally of coronavirus cases, Trump is at odds with reality We have now surpassed China for Coronavirus cases and our population is lower. Go figure. Just proves how well their leadership has tackled this virus with their mandatory quarantines and preparedness. The lack of interest in this pandemic by Trump has taken its toll with loss of life, coupled with all the lies that lead the people in the wrong direction with their preparedness. He told his base it was a hoax for Gods sake, and they said it doesn't exist. Add that with the failure to not declare the defense production act, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are going to look like a scratch in comparison, if Trump doesn't act, or gets the hell out of the way. Having bidding wars with companies to make masks is insane for example. They are bidding over making money, while people die. To hell with that failure. The defense production act has to happen yesterday. Trump with this ultimate failure of his, has done enough damage already. Can you believe it, he wants everybody to get together to go find the easter bunny, a few Sundays from now because it will be beautiful. In the mean time, people are dropping like flies, because we either are in short supply, or have no masks, gloves, or ventilators. But ha, let's all walk out of church together on easter Sunday and have an easter egg hunt. What a sick, selfish. monster he is.

The democrat party and their fascist media - wholly owned subsidiaries of Communist China, Inc.

The wholly owned subsidiary of Fox, The Wall Street Journal was told to remove their Chinese employees. Nothing for the "liberal media."

 

[Markle]

How the US stacks up to other countries in confirmed coronavirus cases
The United States officially has the most confirmed Covid-19 cases in the world, surpassing China and Italy.
By Dylan Scott and Rani Molla Updated Mar 27, 2020, 9:37am EDT
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The United States has now become the country with the most Covid-19 cases in the world, overtaking China and Italy.
America has been testing people for the coronavirus at a slower rate than most other developed countries, yet the number of people diagnosed with Covid-19 in the US has still been rising steadily, more quickly than our peers abroad. We don’t yet know the full extent of the outbreak, but America has quickly become one of the epicenters for the coronavirus pandemic.
The US health system was less prepared for a pandemic than those of other wealthy nations. A high uninsured rate, high out-of-pocket health care costs, and low medical system capacity combined to make the country more vulnerable to a pathogen before the coronavirus ever came to our shores. America’s lax response in the early days of the outbreak only compounded those problems.
“Everyone working in this space would agree that no matter how you measure it, the US is far behind on this,” Jen Kates, director of global health and HIV policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation, told Vox of the coronavirus response.
Here’s how the number of confirmed cases in the US compares to select other countries, based on days since each country reached 100 confirmed cases, according to data we analyzed from the Johns Hopkins University coronavirus dashboard.


Note that the chart uses a log scale, meaning that the Y-axis goes up in equal distances between 100, 1,000, and 10,000 to mimic the exponential rate at which a contagion like the coronavirus spreads.
Here’s that same chart on a traditional linear scale.


As of March 27, the Johns Hopkins research data shows more than 550,000 confirmed cases worldwide, about 86,000 of which were in the US. The actual number of cases is likely much higher. Nearly 25,000 people have died across the world from Covid-19, including more than 1,000 in the United States.
As you can see, the US has now surpassed Iran, Italy and even China in total number of confirmed cases, and has far outpaced places like Hong Kong and Singapore, where the governments mobilized more quickly. Japan’s case numbers also appear to be quite low, though the government there has been criticized over not having enough tests to properly judge the true number of cases. On the other hand, the number of deaths in Japan is small compared to the hardest-hit countries, suggesting better containment there than some European nations or the US.
As America implements dramatic measures to control the spread of Covid-19, with schools and businesses closing and general social distancing underway, the country still struggling to understand the full scope of the outbreak because of the slow start of testing. It has undeniably hindered the US response.
“The testing failure is putting additional strain on our already challenged health system,” Cynthia Cox, director of the Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker, said. “The combination of all of these factors will make the US worse off than similar countries.”
Testing is not only important because it gets people diagnosed and appropriate treatment if they do have an infection; it also establishes how widespread a virus actually is. Experts know the size of the problem, they know the rate at which people are being hospitalized or dying, and they can follow its movements.
But the United States has faltered in rolling out coronavirus tests, putting America far behind its economic peers in tracing the outbreak. A manufacturing problem with the test kits that were initially sent out in the field, and a delay in approving commercial tests, set the nation back in stopping or slowing down Covid-19.
Even as testing and testing capacity has ramped up in the US, as of March 27, America is still lagging behind other countries hit hard by the virus in the share of its population being tested. There have been about 600,000 tests conducted in the US for its population of 329 million.


The US started behind the rest of the world in responding to Covid-19 — and is still catching up.
Number of confirmed coronavirus cases, by days since 100th case
Hover for exact value or individual country
China
France
Spain
Germany
Singapore
Hong Kong
Iran
Italy
Japan

Little wonder you avoided posting your reliable source and working link for this opinion piece.

It is VOX, a site further to the left than the DailyKOS and Democrat Underground.

Run along Troll!

 

[airplanemechanic]

Rachel Madcow is your source? GTFO

 

[Markle]

The wholly owned subsidiary of Fox, The Wall Street Journal was told to remove their Chinese employees. Nothing for the "liberal media."

Not surprising that you "forgot" to include your reliable source and working link.

Perhaps this is what you read.

U.S. Journalists From 4 Major Publications To Be Expelled From China
March 17, 2020 4:26 PM ET
By JACKIE NORTHAM

The Chinese government has announced that the U.S. employees of The New York Times, The Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and Time will have to turn in their journalists' credentials in 10 days.
[...]

U.S. Journalists From 4 Major Publications To Be Expelled From China

The Chinese government has announced that the U.S. employees of The New York Times, The Washington Post, Wall Street Journal and Time will have to turn in their journalists' credentials in 10 days.

www.npr.org

 

[westwall]

As U.S. tops global tally of coronavirus cases, Trump is at odds with reality We have now surpassed China for Coronavirus cases and our population is lower. Go figure. Just proves how well their leadership has tackled this virus with their mandatory quarantines and preparedness. The lack of interest in this pandemic by Trump has taken its toll with loss of life, coupled with all the lies that lead the people in the wrong direction with their preparedness. He told his base it was a hoax for Gods sake, and they said it doesn't exist. Add that with the failure to not declare the defense production act, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are going to look like a scratch in comparison, if Trump doesn't act, or gets the hell out of the way. Having bidding wars with companies to make masks is insane for example. They are bidding over making money, while people die. To hell with that failure. The defense production act has to happen yesterday. Trump with this ultimate failure of his, has done enough damage already. Can you believe it, he wants everybody to get together to go find the easter bunny, a few Sundays from now because it will be beautiful. In the mean time, people are dropping like flies, because we either are in short supply, or have no masks, gloves, or ventilators. But ha, let's all walk out of church together on easter Sunday and have an easter egg hunt. What a sick, selfish. monster he is.

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States fight for supplies in absence of federal coordination

Rachel Maddow looks at how the lack of federal leadership on seeing to the medical equipment needs of the states has states competing against each other and even other countries, driving up prices.

www.msnbc.com

My gosh but you are full of shit. China prevented their doctors who were fighting the disease from telling the world what was coming by imprisoning the doctors who told the truth.

You progressive scumbags as usual repeat what your masters tell you.

Had China not prevented the info from getting out the world would have been better prepared.

Go climb under your rock again you pootin putz.

That argument is worth teats, because it doesn't address Trump's failures. Trump, at this point in time is having a genocide party on our own people, and all you can do is talk about China. Whether it came from there or not is irrelevant at this point. They figured out a way to neutralize it. Trump has not. He and his nazi buddy on fox are busy worrying about ratings, while they watch people die. It's genocide in real time people. Get prepared.

Yet again you equate Chinese lies with the difficulties of combating a virus. New York is hurting because Cuomo decided to not buy 16,000 ventilators, at a good price way back in 2015.

No, the failures are at the State level. But you know that, you're just doing your masters bidding.

So, are you merely a russki troll, or a traitor?

 

[OnePercenter]

As U.S. tops global tally of coronavirus cases, Trump is at odds with reality We have now surpassed China for Coronavirus cases and our population is lower. Go figure. Just proves how well their leadership has tackled this virus with their mandatory quarantines and preparedness. The lack of interest in this pandemic by Trump has taken its toll with loss of life, coupled with all the lies that lead the people in the wrong direction with their preparedness. He told his base it was a hoax for Gods sake, and they said it doesn't exist. Add that with the failure to not declare the defense production act, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are going to look like a scratch in comparison, if Trump doesn't act, or gets the hell out of the way. Having bidding wars with companies to make masks is insane for example. They are bidding over making money, while people die. To hell with that failure. The defense production act has to happen yesterday. Trump with this ultimate failure of his, has done enough damage already. Can you believe it, he wants everybody to get together to go find the easter bunny, a few Sundays from now because it will be beautiful. In the mean time, people are dropping like flies, because we either are in short supply, or have no masks, gloves, or ventilators. But ha, let's all walk out of church together on easter Sunday and have an easter egg hunt. What a sick, selfish. monster he is.

You actually believe the numbers coming out of China?

US now the epicenter for the virus. Trump could not have failed more badly if he tried on purpose.

And we have two more Costa cruise ships in Florida with sick people.

Two Costa cruise ships to anchor with sick crew in Miami for 'life-critical' care

On Thursday, two Costa Cruises ships, the Costa Magica and the Costa Favolosa, were anchored near the port of Miami with ill passengers on board.

www.usatoday.com

 

[Fueri]

It would appear China is misrepresenting its numbers by not counting asymptomatic cases.

Color me shocked. China's government lie for its own benefit while misleading the rest of the world? Nevah' I tell you! Nevah!

We can trust nothing, NOTHING that comes from the Chinese government which has done nothing but lie from the jump, and they are lying now.

I suspected it and said it when suddenly they simply had no new cases, which defied any reasonable explanation, but now it has been verified.

Mystery In Wuhan: Recovered Coronavirus Patients Test Negative ... Then Positive

NPR interviewed four residents of Wuhan who contracted the virus, recovered — but then had a retest that turned positive. What does that mean for China's recovery from COVID-19?

www.npr.org

"Under its newest COVID-19 prevention guidelines, China does not include in its overall daily count for total and for new cases those who retest positive after being released from medical care. China also does not include asymptomatic cases in case counts.

"I have no idea why the authorities choose not to count [asymptomatic] cases in the official case count. I am baffled," said one of the Wuhan doctors who had a second positive test after recovering."

 

[LuckyDuck]

As U.S. tops global tally of coronavirus cases, Trump is at odds with reality We have now surpassed China for Coronavirus cases and our population is lower. Go figure. Just proves how well their leadership has tackled this virus with their mandatory quarantines and preparedness. The lack of interest in this pandemic by Trump has taken its toll with loss of life, coupled with all the lies that lead the people in the wrong direction with their preparedness. He told his base it was a hoax for Gods sake, and they said it doesn't exist. Add that with the failure to not declare the defense production act, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are going to look like a scratch in comparison, if Trump doesn't act, or gets the hell out of the way. Having bidding wars with companies to make masks is insane for example. They are bidding over making money, while people die. To hell with that failure. The defense production act has to happen yesterday. Trump with this ultimate failure of his, has done enough damage already. Can you believe it, he wants everybody to get together to go find the easter bunny, a few Sundays from now because it will be beautiful. In the mean time, people are dropping like flies, because we either are in short supply, or have no masks, gloves, or ventilators. But ha, let's all walk out of church together on easter Sunday and have an easter egg hunt. What a sick, selfish. monster he is.

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States fight for supplies in absence of federal coordination

Rachel Maddow looks at how the lack of federal leadership on seeing to the medical equipment needs of the states has states competing against each other and even other countries, driving up prices.

www.msnbc.com

Well, if we had a Marxist-Leninist authoritarian regime running this nation and in control of all media as well as its public, we too could have positive numbers being projected.

 

[Doc7505]

As U.S. tops global tally of coronavirus cases, Trump is at odds with reality We have now surpassed China for Coronavirus cases and our population is lower. Go figure. Just proves how well their leadership has tackled this virus with their mandatory quarantines and preparedness. The lack of interest in this pandemic by Trump has taken its toll with loss of life, coupled with all the lies that lead the people in the wrong direction with their preparedness. He told his base it was a hoax for Gods sake, and they said it doesn't exist. Add that with the failure to not declare the defense production act, 9/11 and Pearl Harbor are going to look like a scratch in comparison, if Trump doesn't act, or gets the hell out of the way. Having bidding wars with companies to make masks is insane for example. They are bidding over making money, while people die. To hell with that failure. The defense production act has to happen yesterday. Trump with this ultimate failure of his, has done enough damage already. Can you believe it, he wants everybody to get together to go find the easter bunny, a few Sundays from now because it will be beautiful. In the mean time, people are dropping like flies, because we either are in short supply, or have no masks, gloves, or ventilators. But ha, let's all walk out of church together on easter Sunday and have an easter egg hunt. What a sick, selfish. monster he is.

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States fight for supplies in absence of federal coordination

Rachel Maddow looks at how the lack of federal leadership on seeing to the medical equipment needs of the states has states competing against each other and even other countries, driving up prices.

www.msnbc.com

Still shilling for the CCP?

~~~~~~
You have to wonder as to the source of BWK ....

 

[Doc7505]

china did a great job in unleashing this thing.....

And they did a great job containing it. Trump failed on both ends.

so you believe what china [sic] tells you?...

Irrelevant, Harry. Those are the numbers we have. Anyone who has different numbers is welcome to post them but absent that, you can't just dismiss numbers because you don't like what they indicate. Hell, I don't like the way our own numbers are exploding so exponentially --- can I just dismiss them? There is precedent after all. The USG did lie through its teeth about the pandemic of 102 years ago soooooooo......

~~~~~~
Unless you understand that cities like New York are a closely packed population, you cannot grasp the situation. Subways and buses are normally packed like sardines at peak times. People lived in high rise apartment houses and in some city areas a minimum of 6 families per house. When I lived in Queens the building I lived in had 188 units and that was a small apartment building in Flushing Queens.