CDZ Trump in Washington

[irosie91]

Can't get past how many Americans calling them self's followers of Jesus could be so easily conned by a man that they new from the start had divorced his wife the mother of his 3 children, left her for his mistress. who he again divorced and left her & his young daughter. and married again a celebrity soft porn actress, just trying to escape the poverty of Slovenia. and then cheated on her with porn stars. and that's just the tip of the personal ice berg. Was this blind following about money or power?

last I heard, ANYONE, all the way to the moment of
death can "return to Jesus H. Christ"

 

[Donald H]

from where did you get the idea that the USA does
not aid the poor?

I have a belief that the US doesn't look after all the people adequately. America creates poverty with it's upholding of huge income inequality. American attitude is that people are just lazy if they're poor. What other modern democracy fails to provide good and high quality health care for all of it's people? It's outrageous and only exceeded by the outrageous suggestions by Americans that it should be tolerated.

Have you ever lived in the USA
under the condition of actual poverty?
I have.

Most Americans have.

As to "non-white" -----<< that condition has become
a matter of choice. A famous american lady, Linda
Sarsour, has openly stated, in sum and substance,
' until I put a hijab on my head, I was just a white girl
from Brooklyn ' she MAGICALLY became a PERSON
OF COLOR. I have known persons from MYSORE
India. -----for the record---Hindus are not fond of
"mixed marriages"----In Mysore her DESCENT from a
non-hindu father is a FAR BIGGER PROBLEM than the
color of her skin. My own hubby is middle eastern,
far darker in complexion than is Linda Sarsour "the
person of color"----more like Kamala ----but then there is me------too damned white, we both bear the wrong last name, so we are disqualified from the advantages
of the person of color BADGE ---Poverty?-----far
more whites than blacks (that's actual numbers,
not proportionately)

You're trying to tell me something, and I take it seriously, but all it reveals to me is that you're trying to compare America with other poor countries.
The only appropriate comparisons are with the world's leading countries

It's your discussion, you take it to wherever you want it to go.

 

[irosie91]

from where did you get the idea that the USA does
not aid the poor?

I have a belief that the US doesn't look after all the people adequately. America creates poverty with it's upholding of huge income inequality. American attitude is that people are just lazy if they're poor. What other modern democracy fails to provide good and high quality health care for all of it's people? It's outrageous and only exceeded by the outrageous suggestions by Americans that it should be tolerated.

Have you ever lived in the USA
under the condition of actual poverty?
I have.

Most Americans have.

As to "non-white" -----<< that condition has become
a matter of choice. A famous american lady, Linda
Sarsour, has openly stated, in sum and substance,
' until I put a hijab on my head, I was just a white girl
from Brooklyn ' she MAGICALLY became a PERSON
OF COLOR. I have known persons from MYSORE
India. -----for the record---Hindus are not fond of
"mixed marriages"----In Mysore her DESCENT from a
non-hindu father is a FAR BIGGER PROBLEM than the
color of her skin. My own hubby is middle eastern,
far darker in complexion than is Linda Sarsour "the
person of color"----more like Kamala ----but then there is me------too damned white, we both bear the wrong last name, so we are disqualified from the advantages
of the person of color BADGE ---Poverty?-----far
more whites than blacks (that's actual numbers,
not proportionately)

You're trying to tell me something, and I take it seriously, but all it reveals to me is that you're trying to compare America with other poor countries.
The only appropriate comparisons are with the world's leading countries

It's your discussion, you take it to wherever you want it to go.

from whence cometh your notion that the USA does not provide
excellent medical care to the poor?-----from the same place that
teaches you that children are STARVING in the USA? As to
"comparisons" ---from "group" to "group" and "country" to
"country" do some hardcore reading in sociology AND look
around. ----to make it simple----{what works for this group, ethos,
that people, that country----DON'T WORK FOR ALL}" The USA has
far more SOCIAL DIVERSITY PROBLEMS----than actual economic
disparity. If YOU have a family---and each member is GIVEN $ 130
per month (don't quote me on the amount--I am not sure) would
your kids be STARVING? I have seen lots of poor black kids in my
working life------and poor white kids. The only STARVING kids
were the children of INSANE or ABUSIVE or ADDICTED parents

 

[Donald H]

from where did you get the idea that the USA does
not aid the poor?

I have a belief that the US doesn't look after all the people adequately. America creates poverty with it's upholding of huge income inequality. American attitude is that people are just lazy if they're poor. What other modern democracy fails to provide good and high quality health care for all of it's people? It's outrageous and only exceeded by the outrageous suggestions by Americans that it should be tolerated.

Have you ever lived in the USA
under the condition of actual poverty?
I have.

Most Americans have.

As to "non-white" -----<< that condition has become
a matter of choice. A famous american lady, Linda
Sarsour, has openly stated, in sum and substance,
' until I put a hijab on my head, I was just a white girl
from Brooklyn ' she MAGICALLY became a PERSON
OF COLOR. I have known persons from MYSORE
India. -----for the record---Hindus are not fond of
"mixed marriages"----In Mysore her DESCENT from a
non-hindu father is a FAR BIGGER PROBLEM than the
color of her skin. My own hubby is middle eastern,
far darker in complexion than is Linda Sarsour "the
person of color"----more like Kamala ----but then there is me------too damned white, we both bear the wrong last name, so we are disqualified from the advantages
of the person of color BADGE ---Poverty?-----far
more whites than blacks (that's actual numbers,
not proportionately)

You're trying to tell me something, and I take it seriously, but all it reveals to me is that you're trying to compare America with other poor countries.
The only appropriate comparisons are with the world's leading countries

It's your discussion, you take it to wherever you want it to go.

from whence cometh your notion that the USA does not provide
excellent medical care to the poor?-----from the same place that
teaches you that children are STARVING in the USA? As to
"comparisons" ---from "group" to "group" and "country" to
"country" do some hardcore reading in sociology AND look
around. ----to make it simple----{what works for this group, ethos,
that people, that country----DON'T WORK FOR ALL}" The USA has
far more SOCIAL DIVERSITY PROBLEMS----than actual economic
disparity. If YOU have a family---and each member is GIVEN $ 130
per month (don't quote me on the amount--I am not sure) would
your kids be STARVING? I have seen lots of poor black kids in my
working life------and poor white kids. The only STARVING kids
were the children of INSANE or ABUSIVE or ADDICTED parents

America takes special care to fully indoctrinate immigrants to America with the propaganda and flagwaving. Even much more than homegrown Americans who all receive the same basic attention. And so it makes it so close to impossible for any Americans to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, to climb out of the hole the very wealthy has dug for them.

 

[irosie91]

from where did you get the idea that the USA does
not aid the poor?

I have a belief that the US doesn't look after all the people adequately. America creates poverty with it's upholding of huge income inequality. American attitude is that people are just lazy if they're poor. What other modern democracy fails to provide good and high quality health care for all of it's people? It's outrageous and only exceeded by the outrageous suggestions by Americans that it should be tolerated.

Have you ever lived in the USA
under the condition of actual poverty?
I have.

Most Americans have.

As to "non-white" -----<< that condition has become
a matter of choice. A famous american lady, Linda
Sarsour, has openly stated, in sum and substance,
' until I put a hijab on my head, I was just a white girl
from Brooklyn ' she MAGICALLY became a PERSON
OF COLOR. I have known persons from MYSORE
India. -----for the record---Hindus are not fond of
"mixed marriages"----In Mysore her DESCENT from a
non-hindu father is a FAR BIGGER PROBLEM than the
color of her skin. My own hubby is middle eastern,
far darker in complexion than is Linda Sarsour "the
person of color"----more like Kamala ----but then there is me------too damned white, we both bear the wrong last name, so we are disqualified from the advantages
of the person of color BADGE ---Poverty?-----far
more whites than blacks (that's actual numbers,
not proportionately)

You're trying to tell me something, and I take it seriously, but all it reveals to me is that you're trying to compare America with other poor countries.
The only appropriate comparisons are with the world's leading countries

It's your discussion, you take it to wherever you want it to go.

from whence cometh your notion that the USA does not provide
excellent medical care to the poor?-----from the same place that
teaches you that children are STARVING in the USA? As to
"comparisons" ---from "group" to "group" and "country" to
"country" do some hardcore reading in sociology AND look
around. ----to make it simple----{what works for this group, ethos,
that people, that country----DON'T WORK FOR ALL}" The USA has
far more SOCIAL DIVERSITY PROBLEMS----than actual economic
disparity. If YOU have a family---and each member is GIVEN $ 130
per month (don't quote me on the amount--I am not sure) would
your kids be STARVING? I have seen lots of poor black kids in my
working life------and poor white kids. The only STARVING kids
were the children of INSANE or ABUSIVE or ADDICTED parents

America takes special care to fully indoctrinate immigrants to America with the propaganda and flagwaving. Even much more than homegrown Americans who all receive the same basic attention. And so it makes it so close to impossible for any Americans to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, to climb out of the hole the very wealthy has dug for them.

I am intrigued. I was born in the USA and spent my entire education in
"state schools." As an adult I worked with people who were immigrants from
all over the world. In fact, 3/4 of my grandparents were immigrants.
Lots of the immigrants and even native born people with background
in other countries SPOKE their native languages at home and some
retained aspects of their native dress and CERTAINLY their religions and
cuisines. They were in "HOLES" ? not in my suburban town.. Do you
have any notion? WTF are you writing about? you seem clueless

 

[irosie91]

from where did you get the idea that the USA does
not aid the poor?

I have a belief that the US doesn't look after all the people adequately. America creates poverty with it's upholding of huge income inequality. American attitude is that people are just lazy if they're poor. What other modern democracy fails to provide good and high quality health care for all of it's people? It's outrageous and only exceeded by the outrageous suggestions by Americans that it should be tolerated.

Have you ever lived in the USA
under the condition of actual poverty?
I have.

Most Americans have.

As to "non-white" -----<< that condition has become
a matter of choice. A famous american lady, Linda
Sarsour, has openly stated, in sum and substance,
' until I put a hijab on my head, I was just a white girl
from Brooklyn ' she MAGICALLY became a PERSON
OF COLOR. I have known persons from MYSORE
India. -----for the record---Hindus are not fond of
"mixed marriages"----In Mysore her DESCENT from a
non-hindu father is a FAR BIGGER PROBLEM than the
color of her skin. My own hubby is middle eastern,
far darker in complexion than is Linda Sarsour "the
person of color"----more like Kamala ----but then there is me------too damned white, we both bear the wrong last name, so we are disqualified from the advantages
of the person of color BADGE ---Poverty?-----far
more whites than blacks (that's actual numbers,
not proportionately)

You're trying to tell me something, and I take it seriously, but all it reveals to me is that you're trying to compare America with other poor countries.
The only appropriate comparisons are with the world's leading countries

It's your discussion, you take it to wherever you want it to go.

from whence cometh your notion that the USA does not provide
excellent medical care to the poor?-----from the same place that
teaches you that children are STARVING in the USA? As to
"comparisons" ---from "group" to "group" and "country" to
"country" do some hardcore reading in sociology AND look
around. ----to make it simple----{what works for this group, ethos,
that people, that country----DON'T WORK FOR ALL}" The USA has
far more SOCIAL DIVERSITY PROBLEMS----than actual economic
disparity. If YOU have a family---and each member is GIVEN $ 130
per month (don't quote me on the amount--I am not sure) would
your kids be STARVING? I have seen lots of poor black kids in my
working life------and poor white kids. The only STARVING kids
were the children of INSANE or ABUSIVE or ADDICTED parents

America takes special care to fully indoctrinate immigrants to America with the propaganda and flagwaving. Even much more than homegrown Americans who all receive the same basic attention. And so it makes it so close to impossible for any Americans to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps, to climb out of the hole the very wealthy has dug for them.

don,dear. You are describing a society LACKING in social mobility.
Do you have any idea what that terminology means?

 

[Donald H]

Isn't this thread supposed to be about Trump in Washington?

Maybe it's being avoided because it's no big deal what happened yesterday and it won't be until the Trump mob burns down the Reichstag building. (capitol)

With film of police having selfies taken with the rioters now, the stage is set.

If I was an American I wouldn't be particularly worried until the rioters start summary executions of black people or Biden supporters on the streets. Then I would start thinking of how to get to Cuba or Venezuela with your family.

 

[irosie91]

Isn't this thread supposed to be about Trump in Washington?

Maybe it's being avoided because it's no big deal what happened yesterday and it won't be until the Trump mob burns down the Reichstag building. (capitol)

With film of police having selfies taken with the rioters now, the stage is set.

If I was an American I wouldn't be particularly worried until the rioters start summary executions of black people or Biden supporters on the streets. Then I would start thinking of how to get to Cuba or Venezuela with your family.

there is no Trump mob

 

[Donald H]

Isn't this thread supposed to be about Trump in Washington?

Maybe it's being avoided because it's no big deal what happened yesterday and it won't be until the Trump mob burns down the Reichstag building. (capitol)

With film of police having selfies taken with the rioters now, the stage is set.

If I was an American I wouldn't be particularly worried until the rioters start summary executions of black people or Biden supporters on the streets. Then I would start thinking of how to get to Cuba or Venezuela with your family.

there is no Trump mob

I tend to agree. It was a demonstration and none of them did anything worse than steal paper clips and rubber bands from the desks. If they're going to storm the Reichstag building and not light fires, they're not showing any revolutionary spirit.

They lack a Fidel or a Che.

 

[midcan5]

Thanks everyone for your comments. I was glad to see dialogue, it helps and maybe one day we'll all see just a little clearer. One thing that motivated me while writing was all the holocaust documentaries on Prime. Unreal, my wife can't even watch them. Caused me to reread 'Eichmann in Jerusalem' which I recommend for the thoughtful reader. Not sure I'll tackle 'Origins' again, quoted below as I never read 'Hitler's Willing Executioners' and want to see what he has to say. Had a copy for years now. 'Origins' covers mass propaganda well and watching Fox OAN and Newsmax remines me often of just how easily lies become truths and distortions knowledge. Take care all.

Too many republicans and followers, "Act in such a way that [Trump} the Fuhrer, if he knew your action, would approve it." Hans Frank, quoted in Arendt's 'Eichmann in Jerusalem'

"In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. ... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness." Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

"The trouble with Eichmann was precisely that so many were like him, and that the many were neither perverted nor sadistic, that they were, and still are, terribly and terrifyingly normal. From the viewpoint of our legal institutions and of our moral standards of judgment, this normality was much more terrifying than all the atrocities put together." Hannah Arendt

"The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history."George Orwell

Hitler's Willing Executioners

This groundbreaking international bestseller lays to rest many myths about the Holocaust: that Germans were ignorant of the mass destruct...

www.goodreads.com

 

[Donald H]

Thanks everyone for your comments. I was glad to see dialogue, it helps and maybe one day we'll all see just a little clearer.

What are you trying to say, and what has it got to do with Trump in Washington?
What is it that we're not seeing clearly?

Just like Trump, the rioters didn't have the balls of a Che or a Fidel and the most blame for the failure to serve Trump's purpose was Trump's lack of balls to give the leaders any positive direction.

So the best Trump gets out of it is a few hillbillies stealing rubber bands and paper clips out of desk drawers.

And then what beats all! Trump tries to apologize for the violence he tried to incite!

 

[Whodatsaywhodat.]

The Banality of Donald Trump. "Donald Trump has demonstrated consistently, while three hundred thousand people in the U.S. died and millions became sick, that he couldn’t be bothered.*

How did America come to elect a man so unable to manage our nation? A person incapable of thinking of others. How did the conservative media machine make a qualified woman unqualified and actually hated. How did hatred of immigrants become a central selling point along with a barrier wall become a goal of America - a land of immigrants. How did hate and white supremacy come to raise its ugly head so high in modern America.

Trump wanted too to control justice itself, thankfully our judges still follow the law and their conscience. Senator McConnell and Republicans pushed through judges they thought would bend in the favor of injustice. They were wrong.

Why do Americans enthusiastically cheer a president who appears to believe his own lies. A person who has pseudologia phantastica. So many lies are they still counting them? Thousands. And they continue still for losing fair and square in our democracy cannot be accepted. Democracy doesn't appeal to Trump and his kind.

How could Americans jeopardize their own health by imitating a man who predicted the Coronavirus would disappear as if waving your hand had magical power. Why do so many Americans follow a person who uses his office to enrich his family while taking Healthcare away from the needy American. Emolument took on new meaning under Trump.

Do republicans kowtow to a president's conspiracy nonsense only because they fear a challenge from someone who may be even more amoral a cult follower. Are they this morally bankrupt. Vice President Pence looks at Trump like some teenager admiring their idol, any wonder why Trump selected him.

How did our religious and fundamentalists come to admire and cheer a leader who breaks up families and cages children. Certainly no religious person or moral person or Christian person could vote for these policies. Could they.

Consider too media sources such as FOX OAN and Newsmax, these too are anti-democracy. Are there that many Americans who can accept their distorted biased viewpoints? Given the fake news on each and even the ads which are often lies - it would seem so. Media sources like these make Banana Republic News look honorable.

What have we learned. Where to now. We learned that democracy can be challenged. We learned that power and privilege matter more than honor. (See list below.) We learned that one man can lie and cheat and steal and yet if he says things that appeal to certain people and tribes, what he does does not matter. We learned that religious evangelicals are not religious in any sense. We learned that some believe absurd conspiracies without even an iota of evidence. Some will argue that's not true, but the proof is out there should you take the time. Challenge if can. See links below.

Power corrupts and these people demonstrate that fact. Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, Senators Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, James Lankford of Oklahoma, Steve Daines of Montana, John Kennedy of Louisiana, Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee and Mike Braun of Indiana, and Senator-elect Cynthia Lummis of Wyoming, Roger Marshall of Kansas, Bill Hagerty of Tennessee and Tommy Tuberville of Alabama.

'Lest We Forget The Horrors: A Catalog Of Trump’S Worst Cruelties, Collusions, Corruptions, And Crimes'

Lest We Forget the Horrors: A Catalog of Trump’s Worst Cruelties, Collusions, Corruptions, and Crimes: The Complete Listing: Atrocities 1 – 1056

To download a PDF of this entire list, click here. - - -Early in President Trump’s term, McSweeney’s editors began to catalog the head-spinning num...

www.mcsweeneys.net

'100 Ways, in 100 Days, that Trump Has Hurt Americans'

100 Ways, in 100 Days, that Trump Has Hurt Americans

Trump’s actions during his first 100 days in office have time and again benefitted corporations and the wealthy at the expense of ordinary Americans.

www.americanprogress.org

'Americans’ acceptance of Trump’s behavior will be his vilest legacy'

Americansâ acceptance of Trumpâs behavior will be his vilest legacy | Robert Reich

Trump has brought impunity to the highest office in the land, wielding a wrecking ball to American democracy

www.theguardian.com

'45 Self-Evident Truths About Donald Trump'

45 Self-Evident Truths About Donald Trump

After five years, we have learned who he really is.

www.politico.com

"What is patriotism? Let us begin with what patriotism is not. It is not patriotic to dodge the draft and to mock war heroes and their families. It is not patriotic to discriminate against active-duty members of the armed forces in one's companies, or to campaign to keep disabled veterans away from one's property. It is not patriotic to compare one's search for sexual partners in New York with the military service in Vietnam that one has dodged. It is not patriotic to avoid paying taxes, especially when American working families do pay. It is not patriotic to ask those working, taxpaying American families to finance one's own presidential campaign, and then to spend their contributions in one's own companies. It is not patriotic to admire foreign dictators. It is not patriotic to cultivate a relationship with Muammar Gaddafi; or to say that Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin are superior leaders. It is not patriotic to call upon Russia to intervene in an American presidential election. It is not patriotic to cite Russian propaganda at rallies." Timothy Snyder 'On Tyranny'


*The Overlooked Hallmark of the Trump Administration—and Other Autocracies

I need a break from this site. I can't listen to you lying idiots. Not one Democrat can tell a truth .... they are hard to like.