CDZ Trump in Washington

[alpine]

He got 70m votes though. That suggests there is something more fundamental that needs fixing in the US.

like peoples facebook timelines, which is a post-modern surreal fantasy world these trump lunatics are living in where everyone is an expert and an artist and a scientist at the same time, not only believing in but also spreading crazy conspiracy theory viruses, getting infected and infecting others in an orgy or ignorance and bigotry...

 

[sartre play]

Can't get past how many Americans calling them self's followers of Jesus could be so easily conned by a man that they new from the start had divorced his wife the mother of his 3 children, left her for his mistress. who he again divorced and left her & his young daughter. and married again a celebrity soft porn actress, just trying to escape the poverty of Slovenia. and then cheated on her with porn stars. and that's just the tip of the personal ice berg. Was this blind following about money or power?

 

[Donald H]

A very well written OP! But some seem to think it will never happen again. It will!

It will happen again because that which caused Americans to follow a mad man hasn't been changed. The same situation still exists and only Trump the symptom is erased.

America's working class are suffering in poverty and Trump made the right promised and said the right things that would have changed that. Think back Trump supporters, it's recored history.

And now Biden has squeaked in because he's saying some of the right things too. But the working people have been burned too many times before by Biden types and his corrupt and bought off lookalikes.

And so when Biden fails, the doors will be opened wide for the next pretender like Trump and the working class will open up their hearts and eagerly gobble up the hope and the lies of ending the punishment, coming from the next Trump lookalike.

It's the American way! Working people in the hundreds of millions know that they have to be lazy and un-American if they're not wealthy.

The OP did a great job of explaining it in detail. I've just cut through the niceties and bullsh-t.

 

[irosie91]

A very well written OP! But some seem to think it will never happen again. It will!

It will happen again because that which caused Americans to follow a mad man hasn't been changed. The same situation still exists and only Trump the symptom is erased.

America's working class are suffering in poverty and Trump made the right promised and said the right things that would have changed that. Think back Trump supporters, it's recored history.

And now Biden has squeaked in because he's saying some of the right things too. But the working people have been burned too many times before by Biden types and his corrupt and bought off lookalikes.

And so when Biden fails, the doors will be opened wide for the next pretender like Trump and the working class will open up their hearts and eagerly gobble up the hope and the lies of ending the punishment, coming from the next Trump lookalike.

It's the American way! Working people in the hundreds of millions know that they have to be lazy and un-American if they're not wealthy.

The OP did a great job of explaining it in detail. I've just cut through the niceties and bullsh-t.

what are you calling "poor" ?

 

[Donald H]

Was this blind following about money or power?

Of course not! It was a promise of a share of the country's enormous wealth to the working class. To people like you. The Dems had promised it many time before and never did deliver.

Trump was a new kind of promise that was made to look like it was finally going to be a president who would turn his back on the very wealthy corporate class. Finally, America had the answer it had been looking for for so long. And Trump himself was a wealthy man so he knew exactly how to do it!

But it was all lies and so now it's time to look to the Democrats again.

Then in 24, back to the R's and another Trump.

Because it's what America does best!

 

[Donald H]

what are you calling "poor" ?

Your denial. America is now 15th. on quality of life in the world. Would you like to know why?

 

[Donald H]

Canada ranked #1 country in the world for Quality of Life | News

For the fifth year in a row, Canada is ranked the #1 country in the world in 2020 for Quality of Life, according to a global ranking from US News.

dailyhive.com

Here's the reasons why America is 15th. And not in the top ten.

• A good job market
• Affordability
• Economic stability
• Family friendly
• Income equality
• Politically stable
• Safety
• Well-developed public health system
• Well-developed public education system

As is always the case, you can lead a horse to water, but ..............................

 

[irosie91]

what are you calling "poor" ?

Your denial. America is now 15th. on quality of life in the world. Would you like to know why?

so? btw---15 over what? And---how is quality of life determined? Is 15th BAD? The quality of my
life right now is bad because I live near an epicenter
of BLM trash.

 

[Donald H]

Bad depends on what you're willing to accept as good enough. Most Americans who learn they are 15th. say that's good enough.

It sounds like you've given an explanation for why your situation is bad but that will vary widely for all American working class people. One way that will stand out is skin colour.

Which of the following list pertains to you the most?

• A good job market
• Affordability
• Economic stability
• Family friendly
• Income equality
• Politically stable
• Safety
• Well-developed public health system
• Well-developed public education system

Would you like to know my ideas on which of those Canada has done well on and which we could improve upon?

 

[Donald H]

One thing you will notice irosie, is that the top ten are all commie countries with lazy people!

 

[irosie91]

Bad depends on what you're willing to accept as good enough. Most Americans who learn they are 15th. say that's good enough.

It sounds like you've given an explanation for why your situation is bad but that will vary widely for all American working class people. One way that will stand out is skin colour.

Which of the following list pertains to you the most?

• A good job market
• Affordability
• Economic stability
• Family friendly
• Income equality
• Politically stable
• Safety
• Well-developed public health system
• Well-developed public education system

Would you like to know my ideas on which of those Canada has done well on and which we could improve upon?

not particularly. In my view ALL can be improved and
Canada is not the USA. "income equality" is an
interesting concept. Do you believe that more hand-outs HELP? I would not throw a check for $ 2000 in
the toilet------but I do know that such a program
helps NOTHING. I would like to know your "insights"
My areas of "yeah I know"---"I have lived or worked it" education, health care, safety, money shortage,
single mother ......................... uhm... in undergrad
years I did enough Sociology to call it a major----
but claimed Biology anyway

 

[irosie91]

One thing you will notice irosie, is that the top ten are all commie countries with lazy people!

my own interesting insight based on LONG LIFE and interaction with lots of people-----opportunity and
medical care in those countries SUCK

 

[Dogmaphobe]

what is this finger pointing trolling doing in the clean debate forum?

this is no invitation to clean debate. It is just a cowardly hyper-partisan flame hoping to avoid the natural consequences to such by placing it in the clean debate section.

you can't have a clean debate when it starts out so dirty.

 

[Donald H]

Do you believe that more hand-outs HELP? I would not throw a check for $ 2000 in
the toilet------but I do know that such a program
helps NOTHING.

More money to the poor is not the final answer, but in times of need, it definitely helps. The real answer is for a country to not get itself into a situation in which it's necessary.
So it does help 'SOMETHING'.

my own interesting insight based on LONG LIFE and interaction with lots of people-----opportunity and
medical care in those countries SUCK

Everything sucks for some people. But I can at least tell you that health care doesn't suck in those ten leading countries listed for high quality of life. All of their health care systems are rated much higher than America's.

If there's anything you would like to talk about, what would it be? If you're just stuck with your sucky attitude because of denial of America not being the world's best, then there's no point really. I'm interested in a conversation but I don't owe you Americans anything.

 

[Donald H]

what is this finger pointing trolling doing in the clean debate forum?

this is no invitation to clean debate. It is just a cowardly hyper-partisan flame hoping to avoid the natural consequences to such by placing it in the clean debate section.

you can't have a clean debate when it starts out so dirty.

You could report it and have it removed maybe?
But do you really want it to all just go away? Maybe it's time to lay the flag aside and listen to some possibilities.
Even though yesterday was a disappointment in that it didn't push the issues to any final conclusions, it did show that there's something terribly wrong with flagwaving.

And NO, we're not all a-s holes. We're concerned people who are most interested in America's issues becoming issues that can effect us if they come outside your borders.

 

[irosie91]

Do you believe that more hand-outs HELP? I would not throw a check for $ 2000 in
the toilet------but I do know that such a program
helps NOTHING.

More money to the poor is not the final answer, but in times of need, it definitely helps. The real answer is for a country to not get itself into a situation in which it's necessary.
So it does help 'SOMETHING'.

my own interesting insight based on LONG LIFE and interaction with lots of people-----opportunity and
medical care in those countries SUCK

Everything sucks for some people. But I can at least tell you that health care doesn't suck in those ten leading countries listed for high quality of life. All of their health care systems are rated much higher than America's.

If there's anything you would like to talk about, what would it be? If you're just stuck with your sucky attitude because of denial of America not being the world's best, then there's no point really. I'm interested in a conversation but I don't owe you Americans anything.

Did I suggest that you owe americans something?---
In fact, I have ALSO never denied the fact of
"America not being the world's best...." -----speaking
of a sucky attitude.

 

[Donald H]

Do you believe that more hand-outs HELP? I would not throw a check for $ 2000 in
the toilet------but I do know that such a program
helps NOTHING.

Did I suggest that you owe americans something?---
In fact, I have ALSO never denied the fact of
"America not being the world's best...." -----speaking
of a sucky attitude.

We're finished with each other when you say we're finished irosie.

 

[irosie91]

Do you believe that more hand-outs HELP? I would not throw a check for $ 2000 in
the toilet------but I do know that such a program
helps NOTHING.

Did I suggest that you owe americans something?---
In fact, I have ALSO never denied the fact of
"America not being the world's best...." -----speaking
of a sucky attitude.

We're finished with each other when you say we're finished irosie.

stymied---this is an OPENED board. Feel free to either respond or not as will I

 

[Donald H]

stymied---this is an OPENED board. Feel free to either respond or not as will I

If America chooses to do a trial run by refusing to give aid to the poor then it's most likely a productive decision from America's POV.
I can only say that from a Canadian's POV, the cost in pain and suffering to America's poor is not ever going to be condoned.

I've told you that it's not the end solution and I've suggested that it's a solution that shouldn't have been necessary. Or unnecessary, depending on your opinion.

The solution was to not allow the situation to develop in the first place!

Speaking of! America is the richest country in the world.

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I simply have to suggest that Americans would care a lot more if it wasn't a situation in which non-white people are most of the ones that are suffering.

Why? You decide if you want to talk about it!

 

[irosie91]

stymied---this is an OPENED board. Feel free to either respond or not as will I

If America chooses to do a trial run by refusing to give aid to the poor then it's most likely a productive decision from America's POV.
I can only say that from a Canadian's POV, the cost in pain and suffering to America's poor is not ever going to be condoned.

I've told you that it's not the end solution and I've suggested that it's a solution that shouldn't have been necessary. Or unnecessary, depending on your opinion.

The solution was to not allow the situation to develop in the first place!

Speaking of! America is the richest country in the world.

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I simply have to suggest that Americans would care a lot more if it wasn't a situation in which non-white people are most of the ones that are suffering.

Why? You decide if you want to talk about it!

from where did you get the idea that the USA does
not aid the poor? Have you ever lived in the USA
under the condition of actual poverty? I have.
As to "non-white" -----<< that condition has become
a matter of choice. A famous american lady, Linda
Sarsour, has openly stated, in sum and substance,
' until I put a hijab on my head, I was just a white girl
from Brooklyn ' she MAGICALLY became a PERSON
OF COLOR. I have known persons from MYSORE
India. -----for the record---Hindus are not fond of
"mixed marriages"----In Mysore her DESCENT from a
non-hindu father is a FAR BIGGER PROBLEM than the
color of her skin. My own hubby is middle eastern,
far darker in complexion than is Linda Sarsour "the
person of color"----more like Kamala ----but then there is me------too damned white, we both bear the wrong last name, so we are disqualified from the advantages
of the person of color BADGE ---Poverty?-----far
more whites than blacks (that's actual numbers,
not proportionately)