Trump: I Have Investigators in Hawaii...'They Cannot Believe What They're Finding'

[mudwhistle]

The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree . . . and think 25 to life would be appropriate.
--Jay Leno

Dump Truck's "investigation" is as phony as the jokes, and only CON$ are stupid enough to swallow both.

I think Obama is hiding something about his past and his birth cert reflects it.

He's a U S citizen, most likely, but hiding the truth makes him appear to be a victim and gives idiots like you an excuse to support him without looking foolish. Lord knows you look stupid supporting his fucked up policies.

 

[signelect]

The real point is that he can't lead, he can't follow, he can't do anything but read the teleprompter.

We are in a financial mess that he and congress created and now they just want it to be George W's fault. This is getting old.

Trump is not going to run for the presidency but in the mean time he can spend his money pointing out things that need to be aired. You can call him names but he is very smart in a financial way.

 

[Zoom-boing]

He probably would have checked the "White" box, which makes no other distinction other than white.

So the form you posted on the previous page . . . it was worded just like that in 1961?

If he was white he would have checked the 'white' box and they would put down Caucasian. But if he was black he would have checked the 'black or African American' box and they put down African. Why wouldn't they put down black?

???

Again, He could have checked the "other" box and put down African. Please explain why the "other" box can't be used even though it is there for the choosing?
I will never understand CON$ervative "logic."

There was no 'other' box in 1961. I posted a copy of a long-form bc a few posts up. It just asks 'race' with no other identifiers.

 

[edthecynic]

Ok, here's a copy of a long form birth certificate from 1961. It just asks 'race' with no other identifiers.

Obama's father put down 'African' rather than 'black'. Was 'African' the term used back then? I don't recall it as such . . .I thought negro or colored was the term used. Would a person from Africa refer to their race as 'African' though? Again if I was asked my race I wouldn't put American. This whole thing is confusing.

Most likely, yes. Back then Africans strongly identified themselves as the African Race.

BBC News | Africa at 40 | Nkrumah - an African visionary with feet of clay

[FONT=arial, helvetica] But while Dr Nkrumah worked to improve living standards at home his ambitions extended beyond national boundaries to the creation of a federal union of African states. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]United for the good of all[/FONT] [FONT=arial, helvetica]Explaining his vision in his 1961 book, I Speak of Freedom, he wrote: "Divided we are weak; united, Africa could become one of the greatest forces for good in the world. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]" I believe strongly and sincerely that with the deep-rooted wisdom and dignity, the innate respect for human lives, the intense humanity that is our heritage, the African race, united under one federal government, will emerge not as just another world bloc to flaunt its wealth and strength, but as a Great Power whose greatness is indestructible because it is built not on fear, envy and suspicion, nor won at the expense of others, but founded on hope, trust, friendship and directed to the good of all mankind." [/FONT]

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The black and African American are the SAME box.

The point was that African is listed as a race, along with Japanese, Korean, etc.
Obviously he could have chosen the "other" box and filled in African.

Your document is dated rev. 2003 it would not have those identifers worded that way on a 1961" Hawaiian BC

well, why don't you post a link to a 1961 version of *race identifiers* or shut your whiny fucking trap? you keep saying african wouldn't have been used.

well prove it or shut the fuck up, aright?

Well tell me when was the first of the term African American used? It wasn't used in the 60's

 

[edthecynic]

So the form you posted on the previous page . . . it was worded just like that in 1961?

If he was white he would have checked the 'white' box and they would put down Caucasian. But if he was black he would have checked the 'black or African American' box and they put down African. Why wouldn't they put down black?

???

Again, He could have checked the "other" box and put down African. Please explain why the "other" box can't be used even though it is there for the choosing?
I will never understand CON$ervative "logic."

There was no 'other' box in 1961. I posted a copy of a long-form bc a few posts up. It just asks 'race' with no other identifiers.

The questionnaire I already posted had the "other" box. The BC was then made from the filled out questionnaire.

 

[edthecynic]

The real point is that he can't lead, he can't follow, he can't do anything but read the teleprompter.

We are in a financial mess that he and congress created and now they just want it to be George W's fault. This is getting old.

Trump is not going to run for the presidency but in the mean time he can spend his money pointing out things that need to be aired. You can call him names but he is very smart in a financial way.

Yeah, nothing is ever W's fault, it's always Clinton's or Carter's or Obama's or even FDR's fault but never W's. This is getting old.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Again, He could have checked the "other" box and put down African. Please explain why the "other" box can't be used even though it is there for the choosing?
I will never understand CON$ervative "logic."

There was no 'other' box in 1961. I posted a copy of a long-form bc a few posts up. It just asks 'race' with no other identifiers.

The questionnaire I already posted had the "other" box. The BC was then made from the filled out questionnaire.

So he was given that form (the one you posted) and had to fill it out and from the info he put down, the long-form birth certificate was typed up. You'd think I'd know this having had three kids but I don't remember anything about forms when I was in the hospital . . too much pain and too much else on my mind and I'm drawing a blank on the whole forms thing . . .

The form you posted was revised in 2003. How was it worded in 1961?

 

[edthecynic]

The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree . . . and think 25 to life would be appropriate.
--Jay Leno

Dump Truck's "investigation" is as phony as the jokes, and only CON$ are stupid enough to swallow both.

I think Obama is hiding something about his past and his birth cert reflects it.

He's a U S citizen, most likely, but hiding the truth makes him appear to be a victim and gives idiots like you an excuse to support him without looking foolish. Lord knows you look stupid supporting his fucked up policies.

That's completely asinine! What could his BC possibly contain that he needs to hide???

 

[edthecynic]

There was no 'other' box in 1961. I posted a copy of a long-form bc a few posts up. It just asks 'race' with no other identifiers.

The questionnaire I already posted had the "other" box. The BC was then made from the filled out questionnaire.

So he was given that form (the one you posted) and had to fill it out and from the info he put down, the long-form birth certificate was typed up. You'd think I'd know this having had three kids but I don't remember anything about forms when I was in the hospital . . too much pain and too much else on my mind and I'm drawing a blank on the whole forms thing . . .

The form you posted was revised in 2003. How was it worded in 1961?

You tell me!

 

[signelect]

Why would anybody want to be called African American. Last time I check there was no place in Africa where I would brag about being from. Africa is a toilet bowl full of corruption, whoops I forgot about Washington DC. So sorry.

 

[del]

The real point is that he can't lead, he can't follow, he can't do anything but read the teleprompter.

We are in a financial mess that he and congress created and now they just want it to be George W's fault. This is getting old.

Trump is not going to run for the presidency but in the mean time he can spend his money pointing out things that need to be aired. You can call him names but he is very smart in a financial way.

yeah, nothing says smart like going bankrupt running a casino.

 

[mudwhistle]

The real point is that he can't lead, he can't follow, he can't do anything but read the teleprompter.

We are in a financial mess that he and congress created and now they just want it to be George W's fault. This is getting old.

Trump is not going to run for the presidency but in the mean time he can spend his money pointing out things that need to be aired. You can call him names but he is very smart in a financial way.

Yeah, nothing is ever W's fault, it's always Clinton's or Carter's or Obama's or even FDR's fault but never W's. This is getting old.

It's really George Soros's fault.

 

[Immanuel]

Ok, here's a copy of a long form birth certificate from 1961. It just asks 'race' with no other identifiers.

Obama's father put down 'African' rather than 'black'. Was 'African' the term used back then? I don't recall it as such . . .I thought negro or colored was the term used. Would a person from Africa refer to their race as 'African' though? Again if I was asked my race I wouldn't put American. This whole thing is confusing.

Most likely, yes. Back then Africans strongly identified themselves as the African Race.

BBC News | Africa at 40 | Nkrumah - an African visionary with feet of clay

[FONT=arial, helvetica] But while Dr Nkrumah worked to improve living standards at home his ambitions extended beyond national boundaries to the creation of a federal union of African states. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]United for the good of all[/FONT] [FONT=arial, helvetica]Explaining his vision in his 1961 book, I Speak of Freedom, he wrote: "Divided we are weak; united, Africa could become one of the greatest forces for good in the world. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]" I believe strongly and sincerely that with the deep-rooted wisdom and dignity, the innate respect for human lives, the intense humanity that is our heritage, the African race, united under one federal government, will emerge not as just another world bloc to flaunt its wealth and strength, but as a Great Power whose greatness is indestructible because it is built not on fear, envy and suspicion, nor won at the expense of others, but founded on hope, trust, friendship and directed to the good of all mankind." [/FONT]

Very good post and thank you.

I would like to know when he made that statement though. The link is dated 11/04/1997 and says that he was explaining his point of view of the book he wrote in 1961. If he made the statement in 1961 or there about that would be a pretty good indication that they did in fact view themselves as "the African Race". On the other hand, though not disproving that they did, if he made the comment in 1997, then it is possible that current thinking influenced his wording.

However, thank you, that was still an excellent piece of information.

Immie

 

[Uncensored2008]

hey, stupid, if you don't want to answer her question, why quote it?

Hey stupid, if you don't comprehend what's going on in the thread, don't jump in.

Stupidity, the root cause of leftism...

You see dumbfuck, what I presented is called "case law" which forms "precedent" and establishes what is meant by "natural born citizen." Based on this, IF Obama was not born on US Territory, he is NOT eligible to be President.

The above is called "fact," something that you leftists lack the capacity to grasp.

 

[mudwhistle]

Dump Truck's "investigation" is as phony as the jokes, and only CON$ are stupid enough to swallow both.

I think Obama is hiding something about his past and his birth cert reflects it.

He's a U S citizen, most likely, but hiding the truth makes him appear to be a victim and gives idiots like you an excuse to support him without looking foolish. Lord knows you look stupid supporting his fucked up policies.

That's completely asinine! What could his BC possibly contain that he needs to hide???

Then produce the original.
What's so hard about that?

Nope, he's hiding something.

 

[mudwhistle]

Obama doesn't look anything like his father.

Not even remotely.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Child is born and they give you a form to fill out for the birth certificate. For the entry for race, the father writes down "African"

Moron is born and he goes to DailyKOS. They fill his brain-stem with spurious bullshit. Moron comes here and spews bullshit...

 

[Immanuel]

There was no 'other' box in 1961. I posted a copy of a long-form bc a few posts up. It just asks 'race' with no other identifiers.

The questionnaire I already posted had the "other" box. The BC was then made from the filled out questionnaire.

So he was given that form (the one you posted) and had to fill it out and from the info he put down, the long-form birth certificate was typed up. You'd think I'd know this having had three kids but I don't remember anything about forms when I was in the hospital . . too much pain and too much else on my mind and I'm drawing a blank on the whole forms thing . . .

The form you posted was revised in 2003. How was it worded in 1961?

I know when we had our children (1985, 1987 & 1992), the nurses asked me, the father, all those "important" questions while mom was recovering and they filled out the form based on my replies. So, if the same was true for you, then you would not be expected to remember the forms.

Now, why did they ask me and not mom? Probably just to boost my ego as if I had any real part in the birthing of my own children. I was lucky though to survive the birth of my oldest as my wife put me in a headlock (when I was "helping her to remember to breathe") and I swear I thought I was a dead man right then and there.

Immie

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's completely asinine! What could his BC possibly contain that he needs to hide???

My guess is that his religion was listed as "Muslim."

But it's just a guess.