'Trump Flipped On Us': MAGA Reacts to Potential National Citizen Database

[Mac1958]

Back in the 1970s I read a magazine article which opined that the Harvard Sschool of Bbusiness with their bottom line focus, would one destroy the American economy someday. The focus of profits as the be-all and end-all of corporate existence, with no focus on employees or being a good corporate citizen, was destructive in nature.

At the time I read this article, I had just applied to the MBA program at Western University, which is modelled on Harvard’s program so I thought this man crazy.

That piece of stayed with me all these years. It niggled at the back of my mind, and now I see how right he truly was.

Of course, the Supreme Court had a large hand in all of this by siding with the rights of the “owners” (shareholders), over all other interests in lawsuits, which went to the SC.

While this may be the case in small closely held private corporations, the shareholderholders of large multinational Dow Jones 500 stocks, can hardly be called “owners“. They merely park an investment in a secure spot and live off corporate profits paid as dividends.

They are, in essence, living off the work of others, and those others haven’t had a raise in 40 years. Those with capital should be spending their capital and those who are working should be getting fair wages.

I've said here many times that the biggest mistake the Right makes is to think that proper, efficient regulation is a negative for capitalism. The fact is, it's an absolutely critical component of capitalism. The 2008 Meltdown should have taught us that.

I spent 23+ years in the business before I sold and retired. I think everyone knows that corporations are short-sighted, worried only about the next quarter's financial reports. But even the capitalist in me can see that looking longer term is far better for the company and the economy in general.

We have misapplied capitalism by adopting a growth-at-all-costs mindset. And yet, millions who vote for it have been left behind by it. That's a fuckin' tragedy. And now, the GQP is doubling down on it.

 

[YoursTruly]

The Feds know who I am via my tax returns, and my social security number, and my selective service registration, and my voter registration, and my Passport.

My State knows who I am via by Driver's License, and my old working papers (for working at 15), and my State/City Tax Return, and my voter registration, and my EZPASS.

How is adding one more "box" to all this confirming I am a citizen the end of the world?

It's called "the swamp."

 

[martybegan]

It's called "the swamp."

It's called modern society.

 

[YoursTruly]

It's called modern society.

Only a political loyalist would call it "modern society." Most of the money isn't going to society. It's going to the swamp.

 

[martybegan]

Only a political loyalist would call it "modern society." Most of the money isn't going to society. It's going to the swamp.

This is about information, not money.

 

[YoursTruly]

This is about information, not money.

Sounds more like a cop out than information. Government spending doesn't equate to more jobs or an improved economy.
It does however equate to high inflation and a loss of USD value.

 

[martybegan]

Sounds more like a cop out than information. Government spending doesn't equate to more jobs or an improved economy.
It does however equate to high inflation and a loss of USD value.

My point was it is dumb to ***** about being identified by citizenship when every person is already identified by many categories at both the federal and State level.

Try to stay on topic.

 

[Dragonlady]

I've said here many times that the biggest mistake the Right makes is to think that proper, efficient regulation is a negative for capitalism. The fact is, it's an absolutely critical component of capitalism. The 2008 Meltdown should have taught us that.

I spent 23+ years in the business before I sold and retired. I think everyone knows that corporations are short-sighted, worried only about the next quarter's financial reports. But even the capitalist in me can see that looking longer term is far better for the company and the economy in general.

We have misapplied capitalism by adopting a growth-at-all-costs mindset. And yet, millions who vote for it have been left behind by it. That's a fuckin' tragedy. And now, the GQP is doubling down on it.

Yes. There certainly basic economic pillars that capitalism needs to succeed:

1. A healthy and thriving middle class. Your middle class is shrinking with more people falling back to working class/poverty than are rising to wealth.

2. Well regulated capitalism should include requirements for good corporate citizenship and that includes paying a “living wages” to employees.

McDonald’s is one of the most profitable companies in the USA, and yet their Frontline employees are expected to apply for social assistance or have a second job because their wages are insufficient to cover even the most basic of living costs. McDonald’s executives make seven-figure salaries. Regulation should mean caps on executive salaries and/or dividend if frontline 40 hr/per workers are receiving social assistance.

McDonald’s is a good example because even the local store owners aren’t making much money. All of the profits are going to head office. Independently owned stores are barely squeaking by because the financial model is to enrich the head office and screw the local people.

3. 60% of American household cannot withstand a $500 cash emergency. That’s more than half the households in the USA.

I’ve seen numbers that indicate, but if you take out the wages in earnings of the top 10% of Americans average wages for the rest of you are approximately $35,000 a year.

That 80% of your wealth is held by the top 20% of households. This is not economically sustainable. Please note that this figure does not take into consideration the latest Trump tax cuts.

In Denmark the split is 50-50, in Canada it’s 40-60.

4. The rest of the world cannot continue to reward you for your fiscal incompetence, nor can we trust that Trump isn’t on the verge of collapsing your economy, yet again, to profit the billionaire class.

5. We also don’t trust that. Trump won’t simply refuse to pay your national down at some point. That’s been a consistent pattern in his business practices.

The rest of the world is only going to play by America’s rules, so long as you aren’t governed by criminals and fiscal incompetents.

We saw what he did to your economy the last time. We’ve watched what he’s done to every business he’s ever operated.

No thank you

 

[YoursTruly]

My point was it is dumb to ***** about being identified by citizenship when every person is already identified by many categories at both the federal and State level.

Try to stay on topic.

It's a bigger swamp.

 

[Dragonlady]

Sounds more like a cop out than information. Government spending doesn't equate to more jobs or an improved economy.
It does however equate to high inflation and a loss of USD value.

Government spending most certainly does equate to more jobs are in improved economy. That’s why Republicans go on a spending spree every time they cut taxes for the wealthy.

When Reagan cut taxes, he went on a big defence build up. All of the Pentagon money defence contractors started building new weapons, planes and ships and they hired people to build them.

Reagan bragged about the jobs boom created by his deficit spending. W cut taxes and then went to war, ramping up spending at home and in the Middle East.

Trump cut taxes and went on a spending spree as well. Now he’s bragging about how much money he spent modernizing the military when he was first in office.

Of course, the damage done by the cut in taxes catches up to them eventually and the economy crashes but that also benefits the rich donors so those economic crash her to become a feature not a bug of Republican administration.

 

[whitehall]

Lefties always leave something out of their hysterical rants. There are thousands of data bases. Judging by the calls I get regarding "final expenses" it seems that the Social Security administration might be selling data to firms that conduct telephone solicitation. The Trump administration wants to determine if persons who are illegally in the U.S. are voting in elections and if persons who are in the Country on visas are conspiring to overthrow the government.

 

[Carson]

What they don't understand is that Trump isn't the one who "flipped".

They need to look in the mirror.

They took all their mirrors down or covered them with Trump bumper stickers a lonnnnnng time ago. They just heard the master liar say over and over and over and over and over again about what he was going to do "ON DAY ONE" because they couldn't afford a carton of eggs.

 

[MarathonMike]

What they don't understand is that Trump isn't the one who "flipped".

They need to look in the mirror.

We understand what a non-thinking Trump Hater looks like. Look in the mirror.

 

[YoursTruly]

Government spending most certainly does equate to more jobs are in improved economy. That’s why Republicans go on a spending spree every time they cut taxes for the wealthy.

When Reagan cut taxes, he went on a big defence build up. All of the Pentagon money defence contractors started building new weapons, planes and ships and they hired people to build them.

Reagan bragged about the jobs boom created by his deficit spending. W cut taxes and then went to war, ramping up spending at home and in the Middle East.

Trump cut taxes and went on a spending spree as well. Now he’s bragging about how much money he spent modernizing the military when he was first in office.

Of course, the damage done by the cut in taxes catches up to them eventually and the economy crashes but that also benefits the rich donors so those economic crash her to become a feature not a bug of Republican administration.

Those people would've found jobs elsewhere. And the MIC does way more damage than good.