Trump ends our involvement in Ukraine war.

[krichton]

Rubio cut off aid to Ukraine, which essentially ends the war for us.

Good for the Trump camp. We don’t need to be wasting hundreds of billions on this war.

Trump's State Department 'Just Went Totally Nuclear on Foreign Assistance'

townhall.com

If Putin, by some miracle takes all of Ukraine, the US would need to station more troops and build more bases near Ukraine's border, costing way more money than if Ukraine remained free. Furthermore, if Putin should attack the Baltics later on, the US would actually need to put boots on the ground to fight an actual war with Russia. How much do you think that will cost? Hmmm? We've spent over 100 billion in Ukraine, but the vast majority of that is from older weapons systems, a lot of which the US military doesn't actually use and was getting ready to de-comission anyway. For the price of that, they've crippled Russia's military for decades. I honestly can't think of a great return on investment in the history of our military. We should be giving Ukraine more weapons, not less.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Rubio cut off aid to Ukraine, which essentially ends the war for us.

Good for the Trump camp. We don’t need to be wasting hundreds of billions on this war.

Trump's State Department 'Just Went Totally Nuclear on Foreign Assistance'

townhall.com

Oh bugger. Now if Ukraine win, the US are not gonna be able to claim victory on Ukraine's part.

Joke aside, blame the stoopid last administration in not loaning the money instead of gifting it.

 

[Moonglow]

Rubio cut off aid to Ukraine, which essentially ends the war for us.

Good for the Trump camp. We don’t need to be wasting hundreds of billions on this war.

Trump's State Department 'Just Went Totally Nuclear on Foreign Assistance'

townhall.com

We don't need to be supporting Israel's war with billions in aid either.

Trump suspends US foreign assistance for 90 days pending reviews

President Donald Trump has signed an executive order temporarily suspending all U.S. foreign assistance programs for 90 days pending reviews to determine whether they are aligned with his policy goals.

apnews.com

Some of the biggest recipients of U.S. assistance, Israel ($3.3 billion per year), Egypt ($1.5 billion per year) and Jordan ($1.7 billion per year) are unlikely to see dramatic reductions, as those amounts are included in long-term packages that date back decades and are in some cases governed by treaty obligations.

 

[CowboyTed]

Another pro China move... Make China Great Again...

China First Policy....

I have shown it and why have the AGA ignored their China First policy

China has seen only more and more strength since Trump's arrival... Biden (and all future US PResidents) are hamstrung because US word internationally means nothing as soon as the President leaves...

This is the problem with not delivering on previous administrations treaties... The GOP agreed with the Budapest Memorandum at the time of signing too..
How do you expect to do a deal in Africa or anywhere else if you are known for welching on the last deal...

 

[Dragonlady]

Rubio cut off aid to Ukraine, which essentially ends the war for us.

Good for the Trump camp. We don’t need to be wasting hundreds of billions on this war.

Trump's State Department 'Just Went Totally Nuclear on Foreign Assistance'

townhall.com

Putin and Xi are drinking champagne and celebrating Trump's return.

 

[CowboyTed]

No. None of our business. Never was. War is racket always. Learn it.

Are you capable of considering what the US government would do if Russia had military bases on it’s border?

Is it your contention Russia must accept US bases on its border, because it’s the US government demanding it be so and it’s the only indispensable nation?

Ukraine wanted to join EU which is non military and is about Economic Cooperation...

Ukraine had no wish to join NATO until Russia invaded the Crimea and the Donbas...

Ukraine rightfully pointed to the Budapest Memorandum and asked for US/NATO help.

Russia's actions started that cycle. Everyone tried the kid gloves with Russia and they just followed with more escalation...

Then they tried for the whole country...

Let's be clear, Putin thought he was going to get away with this Russian expansion and if he did he has already stated that he believes the Baltic countries and Finland are on his agenda too... They are NATO countries which would mean US soldiers on the ground...
As wars go this is relatively a bargain... US military aid is mainly military and the stuff they are sending is old while US is costing it at replacement cost for new military equipment. So for about the equivalent of two months of Iraq war they have Russia stuck in a quagmire..
Defeat Russia now and Putin's biggest problems are internal. EU is not buying Russian Oil and Gas. China is leveraging its position to extract what the what out of Russia (i.e. this will lead Water and Land).
If TPP was in place now, China and India would be told to stop buying Russian Oil and Gas or EU and TPP would increase tarrifs on certain products...

The game is Chess and Trump is playing Snap.

 

[TimFitz]

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Incomplete and disconnected garbage + Ambiguous accusation = Piss poor internet troll

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You’re the one who denied US history, not me.

 

[CowboyTed]

Oh bugger. Now if Ukraine win, the US are not gonna be able to claim victory on Ukraine's part.

Joke aside, blame the stoopid last administration in not loaning the money instead of gifting it.

Again, the Budapest Memorandum....

How many times have we to say this, both the GOP and Dems agreed it was in US best interest to secure Nuclear Weapons from the USSR break off countries. This was smart, having a bunch of various countries (which have a fair few nut job dictators & Muslim Countries) having Nukes was not really a good idea.

MAGA want to tear up that agreement because Putin decided to teat it...

What he is saying to the world, US can't be trusted to honor deals...

No point having a deal with US if they don't honour them

 

[TimFitz]

Ukraine wanted to join EU which is non military and is about Economic Cooperation...

Ukraine had no wish to join NATO until Russia invaded the Crimea and the Donbas...

Ukraine rightfully pointed to the Budapest Memorandum and asked for US/NATO help.

Russia's actions started that cycle. Everyone tried the kid gloves with Russia and they just followed with more escalation...

Then they tried for the whole country...

Let's be clear, Putin thought he was going to get away with this Russian expansion and if he did he has already stated that he believes the Baltic countries and Finland are on his agenda too... They are NATO countries which would mean US soldiers on the ground...
As wars go this is relatively a bargain... US military aid is mainly military and the stuff they are sending is old while US is costing it at replacement cost for new military equipment. So for about the equivalent of two months of Iraq war they have Russia stuck in a quagmire..
Defeat Russia now and Putin's biggest problems are internal. EU is not buying Russian Oil and Gas. China is leveraging its position to extract what the what out of Russia (i.e. this will lead Water and Land).
If TPP was in place now, China and India would be told to stop buying Russian Oil and Gas or EU and TPP would increase tarrifs on certain products...

The game is Chess and Trump is playing Snap.

If Trump did his duty as a world leader, there would be no question about American support for Ukraine.

Drive Russia out of Ukraine and it ceases to be a world power.

Leaving the US and China as the principal geopolitical powers.

Which would be a significant victory for the Western Alliance.

Instead, we have a weak little man, obsessed with his personal grievances. Instead of leading, he bullies his own allies and kowtows to the agressor.

Shameful…..

 

[Blaster]

Rubio cut off aid to Ukraine, which essentially ends the war for us.

Good for the Trump camp. We don’t need to be wasting hundreds of billions on this war.

Trump's State Department 'Just Went Totally Nuclear on Foreign Assistance'

townhall.com

Hooray

 

[TimFitz]

Obama should have sent the military in back in 2014…he was busy being more flexible with Putin

We didn’t, now Trump is rightfully cutting off the bloody money train to the xiden crime family

It’s over

You probably would have opposed it simply because it was the black man.

Trump hasn’t given you your instructions at that point.

 

[TimFitz]

More lies from you.

I want to stop pouring money into the pockets of the Ukranian oligarchs. Not our fight, not our problem-though if they have money, we absolutely should sell them weapons-anything they want up to and including nuclear, cash and carry.

Thank you for making my point.

You’re singing right off Putin;s sheet music.

 

[struth]

You probably would have opposed it simply because it was the black man.

Trump hasn’t given you your instructions at that point.

Putin gave Obama instructions, and Obama and Xiden were more flexible and allowed the invasion.

Trump wasn't in office, or even considering running back then.....keep deflecting though. keep being Putin's bitch

 

[TimFitz]

Thank you for making my point.

You’re singing right off Putin;s sheet music.

If Putin, by some miracle takes all of Ukraine, the US would need to station more troops and build more bases near Ukraine's border, costing way more money than if Ukraine remained free. Furthermore, if Putin should attack the Baltics later on, the US would actually need to put boots on the ground to fight an actual war with Russia. How much do you think that will cost? Hmmm? We've spent over 100 billion in Ukraine, but the vast majority of that is from older weapons systems, a lot of which the US military doesn't actually use and was getting ready to de-comission anyway. For the price of that, they've crippled Russia's military for decades. I honestly can't think of a great return on investment in the history of our military. We should be giving Ukraine more weapons, not less.

That would reaquire Trump cultists to look farther than the crawl under their Fox presenter’s heads.

Geopolitics goes right over their heads.

 

[TimFitz]

Putin gave Obama instructions, and Obama and Xiden were more flexible and allowed the invasion.

Trump wasn't in office, or even considering running back then.....keep deflecting though. keep being Putin's bitch

Putin gives Trump instructions, and you cheer for the Kremlin.

 

[BlackSand]

You’re the one who denied US history, not me.

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When what you say at the beginning of a sentence ...
Does not meet the requirements you are attempting to assign at the end of the sentence ...
That's only demonstrates an inconsistency in thought ... Which is cognitive dissonance.

It most often occurs when someone thinks they know what they are talking about ... But really doesn't.
It didn't have anything to do with history ... Outside of what you implied about a historical event ...
That did not jive with what you were attempting to assign as a cause.

I didn't even attempt to debate what you posted ...
Because the components you applied to the thoughts you expressed ...
Unfortunately, didn't equal each other from one end of the sentence to the other.

To someone that understands what you are trying to say ...
Coupled with your complete lack of understanding in the words and concepts you were using ...
There's no need to debate you ... You debated yourself in the same sentence ...

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[struth]

Putin gives Trump instructions, and you cheer for the Kremlin.

Here's reality:

Then this: Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation - Wikipedia.

Then Putin gets his boy Xiden back in office and we get this:

Foreign Policy

White House freezes Ukraine military package that includes lethal weapons​

Officials prepped $100 million worth of arms as Russia massed troops on the border, then put it on pause as the Biden-Putin summit approached.

White House freezes Ukraine military package that includes lethal weapons

Officials prepped $100 million worth of arms as Russia massed troops on the border, then put it on pause as the Biden-Putin summit approached.

www.politico.com

Dembots are Putin's puppets

 

[CowboyTed]

If Trump did his duty as a world leader, there would be no question about American support for Ukraine.

Drive Russia out of Ukraine and it ceases to be a world power.

Leaving the US and China as the principal geopolitical powers.

Which would be a significant victory for the Western Alliance.

Instead, we have a weak little man, obsessed with his personal grievances. Instead of leading, he bullies his own allies and kowtows to the agressor.

Shameful…..

They can't see it...

The biggest winner here is China, even more so than Russia...

Russia will have just a more protracted war... EU will back it up to being a stalemate...

But the damage to US internationally is massive... They are an untrustworthy partner...

There is a belief in MAGA that isolationism works.. No look at history...

If you want to a country to get wealth and maintain it. Trade is vital.. Trade is key. UK is understanding that the hard way at the moment.
MAGA is blaming trade for their economic woes, they are blaming Johnny Foreigner... They are saying trade deals are unfair. they are not fair on US workers.
BTW, how is EU not complaining?How is Japan, Korea, Australia, Canada.... not complaining.
Because the GOP policies for the last number of decades of reducing taxes and increasing wealth into a smaller and smaller group has not worked for Americans. So they are blaming someone else (anyone else), this what Brexit was about too.. Britain is learning that they were lied too.

US has consistently placed more and more money in the hands of the few. This is why people are pissed off and Trump instead of blaming the actual problem, blamed someone else, he has a hit list, Trade Deals (which GOP ( with Donors) overwhelming endorsed and even encouraged at times,), Immigrants, any one not in a nuclear family...)..

 

[Nostra]

Except for the Budapest Memorandum US signed that assured Ukraine if they gave over the Nuclear Weapons US would come to their aid...

Oh, Lets just forget that... That is US word means shit now...

This is the problem with International Agreements, US Presidents used to stand behind their predecessors agreements... This is what gave the US huge soft power around the world. It was complicated but it worked...
Trump internationally is considered a dumb ass who is totally untrustworthy... China has leveraged this in SE Asia, Middle East and Africa...

The US won’t gain a lead in the competition for Africa’s critical minerals without innovation

If the United States wants to differentiate itself from competitors in the critical mineral sector, it will need to form partnerships with African countries that are economically feasible, environmentally sustainable, and ethical.

www.atlanticcouncil.org

"Through its deals, China has managed to gain control over 60 percent of the mining and 85 percent of the processing of rare earths—an important subset of critical minerals used in technologies such as magnets and batteries."

Yep, that is all the shit that gets technology to work... Well fucking done, Trump has destroyed US word worldwide he has given an open door to China... Add this to his TPP fuck up and he is the most pro China President in history...

The Budapest Memorandum?

The one Putin violated by invading Crimea while Barry Hussein was President? Pretty much ended that one, huh?

Next?

 

[Nostra]

If Putin, by some miracle takes all of Ukraine, the US would need to station more troops and build more bases near Ukraine's border, costing way more money than if Ukraine remained free. Furthermore, if Putin should attack the Baltics later on, the US would actually need to put boots on the ground to fight an actual war with Russia. How much do you think that will cost? Hmmm? We've spent over 100 billion in Ukraine, but the vast majority of that is from older weapons systems, a lot of which the US military doesn't actually use and was getting ready to de-comission anyway. For the price of that, they've crippled Russia's military for decades. I honestly can't think of a great return on investment in the history of our military. We should be giving Ukraine more weapons, not less.

If.......if........if......if.....

Try living in the real world.