trump deports 4 year old with stage four cancer.

[Flopper]

I read the OP's article.

https://archive.ph/wziYL

No where in it did WaPo make the case that the families had a registered claim of asylum.

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Expedited removal - Wikipedia

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But what WaPo DID fail to mention, is that these illegal aliens, all had previous orders of deportation which they ignored, making them prime candidates for expedited removal.

This is some of the most shoddy, misleading "journalism," I have read since the media and government lied about "Russian Collusion," and lied the American people into the Iraq war.



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Asylum has been suspended under Trump.

Expedited Removal applies only to noncitizens who arrive at a port of entry and to some noncitizens who enter without inspection, I.e. they snuck in) and who have not been continuously present in the United States for at least two years. Trump use of the law to detain and deport those picked up by ICE away from the border is mostly illegal but so is most everything he is doing.

Expedited Removal Explainer - American Immigration Council

Expedited removal is a process by which low-level immigration officers can quickly deport certain noncitizens who are undocumented or have committed fraud or misrepresentation.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You question indicates, you have no idea what due process is. Detainees have the legal right to a hearing, call witnesses, present evidence. If they believe they have treated unfairly, they ask for review. Most hearings last 3 to 4 hrs. About 60% wave a hearing and accept deportation.

Under Trump II, they have the right to accept their deportation or be dragged out to the plane.
If you are referring to detainees, they have 5th amendment rights or should say they had 5th amendment rights.

You question indicates, you have no idea what due process is. Detainees have the legal right to a hearing, call witnesses, present evidence.

And how long do they deserve for these?

Most hearings last 3 to 4 hrs.

And if they have no evidence, how long can they last?

If you are referring to detainees, they have 5th amendment rights or should say they had 5th amendment rights.

Illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves? Where?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Asylum has been suspended under Trump.

Expedited Removal applies only to noncitizens who arrive at a port of entry and to some noncitizens who enter without inspection, I.e. they snuck in) and who have not been continuously present in the United States for at least two years. Trump use of the law to detain and deport those picked up by ICE away from the border is mostly illegal but so is most everything he is doing.

Expedited Removal Explainer - American Immigration Council

Expedited removal is a process by which low-level immigration officers can quickly deport certain noncitizens who are undocumented or have committed fraud or misrepresentation.

www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org

Asylum has been suspended under Trump.

After the abuse of the system under Biden, it should be suspended.

 

[Flopper]

You question indicates, you have no idea what due process is. Detainees have the legal right to a hearing, call witnesses, present evidence.

And how long do they deserve for these?

Most hearings last 3 to 4 hrs.

And if they have no evidence, how long can they last?

If you are referring to detainees, they have 5th amendment rights or should say they had 5th amendment rights.

Illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves? Where?

I never said illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves.

Approximately 60% of undocumented migrants waive their right to a hearing and accept deportation. This is largely because immigration hearings are conducted in English, with no translators provided, and detainees are not offered free legal representation. As a result, many feel they have little choice but to forgo the hearing.

Among those who do appear before a judge, most do so without legal counsel, without presenting evidence, and without invoking any of the established legal pleas that could allow them to remain in the United States. These cases are typically resolved quickly, and detainees are often deported before they fully understand what has happened.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I never said illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves.

Approximately 60% of undocumented migrants waive their right to a hearing and accept deportation. This is largely because immigration hearings are conducted in English, with no translators provided, and detainees are not offered free legal representation. As a result, many feel they have little choice but to forgo the hearing.

Among those who do appear before a judge, most do so without legal counsel, without presenting evidence, and without invoking any of the established legal pleas that could allow them to remain in the United States. These cases are typically resolved quickly, and detainees are often deported before they fully understand what has happened.

I never said illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves.

You said they have 5th amendment rights, but they weren't forced to testify against themselves, so what's your point?

Approximately 60% of undocumented migrants waive their right to a hearing and accept deportation.

Good.

This is largely because immigration hearings are conducted in English, with no translators provided, and detainees are not offered free legal representation.

Does the law say we must provide free legal representation?

Among those who do appear before a judge, most do so without legal counsel, without presenting evidence, and without invoking any of the established legal pleas that could allow them to remain in the United States.

It's a shame they didn't follow the legal path to entry originally.
By entering illegally and not claiming asylum during the time allowed, they lose many options they would otherwise have.

These cases are typically resolved quickly, and detainees are often deported before they fully understand what has happened.

They often had years, decades even, to understand what they needed to do.
If they failed to prepare for this possibility, I have no sympathy if the final deportation takes place with little or no notice.

 

[MisterBeale]

https://www.congress.gov/bill/104th-congress/house-bill/2202/amendments

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-report/104th-congress/house-report/828/1?outputFormat=pdf

 

[MarathonMike]

You question indicates, you have no idea what due process is. Detainees have the legal right to a hearing, call witnesses, present evidence. If they believe they have treated unfairly, they ask for review. Most hearings last 3 to 4 hrs. About 60% wave a hearing and accept deportation.

Under Trump II, they have the right to accept their deportation or be dragged out to the plane.
If you are referring to detainees, they have 5th amendment rights or should say they had 5th amendment rights.

As I pointed out in my thread on the subject, due process has ALWAYS been denied in certain cases, events or with certain groups of people. And even for US Citizens as in the case of Japanese Americans interred during WWII. You can play games with the wording of due process as written. But when the 5th and 14th amendments were written, there weren't too many Indians or Chinese laborers getting their due process rights.

 

[Rawley]

When a person is arrested, detained, jailed, or deported, they are being deprive of their liberty and 5th amendments rights of due process apply.

How does being deported deprive them of their liberty?

 

[Rawley]

You question indicates, you have no idea what due process is. Detainees have the legal right to a hearing, call witnesses, present evidence.

Nope, It's called Expedited Removal. Obama and Biden deported hundreds of thousands of illegals without a hearing or seeing a judge.

 

[Rawley]

I never said illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves.

Approximately 60% of undocumented migrants waive their right to a hearing and accept deportation. This is largely because immigration hearings are conducted in English, with no translators provided, and detainees are not offered free legal representation. As a result, many feel they have little choice but to forgo the hearing.

Among those who do appear before a judge, most do so without legal counsel, without presenting evidence, and without invoking any of the established legal pleas that could allow them to remain in the United States. These cases are typically resolved quickly, and detainees are often deported before they fully understand what has happened.

They understand completely. They took a gamble coming into this country illegally, they lost and the understand they are being thrown out, completely in accordance with our laws.

 

[Flopper]

I never said illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves.

Approximately 60% of undocumented migrants waive their right to a hearing and accept deportation. This is largely because immigration hearings are conducted in English, with no translators provided, and detainees are not offered free legal representation. As a result, many feel they have little choice but to forgo the hearing.

Among those who do appear before a judge, most do so without legal counsel, without presenting evidence, and without invoking any of the established legal pleas that could allow them to remain in the United States. These cases are typically resolved quickly, and detainees are often deported before they fully understand what has happened.

I never said illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves.

You said they have 5th amendment rights, but they weren't forced to testify against themselves, so what's your point?

Approximately 60% of undocumented migrants waive their right to a hearing and accept deportation.

Good.

This is largely because immigration hearings are conducted in English, with no translators provided, and detainees are not offered free legal representation.

Does the law say we must provide free legal representation?

Among those who do appear before a judge, most do so without legal counsel, without presenting evidence, and without invoking any of the established legal pleas that could allow them to remain in the United States.

It's a shame they didn't follow the legal path to entry originally.
By entering illegally and not claiming asylum during the time allowed, they lose many options they would otherwise have.

These cases are typically resolved quickly, and detainees are often deported before they fully understand what has happened.

They often had years, decades even, to understand what they needed to do.
If they failed to prepare for this possibility, I have no sympathy if the final deportation takes place with little or no notice.

Where id I say illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves?

And exactly what is the legal path to enter the US for a farmer with no family in the US from Guatemala, Honduras, Venezuela, El Salvador, which is where most of the migrants are coming from.

 

[Flopper]

Where id I say illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves?

And exactly what is the legal path to enter the US for a farmer with no family in the US from Guatemala, Honduras, Venezuela, El Salvador, which is where most of the migrants are coming from.

 

[Flopper]

They understand completely. They took a gamble coming into this country illegally, they lost and the understand they are being thrown out, completely in accordance with our laws.

 

[Flopper]

They understand completely. They took a gamble coming into this country illegally, they lost and the understand they are being thrown out, completely in accordance with our laws.

These people have nothing to lose. They come from poverty stricken areas that are overrun by criminal gangs such as MS-13 and Barrio-18. Nearly everyone pays tributes or rents in one way or another. If they don't pay the gangs, they collect by taking their kids to become drug runners or sex slaves. So as I said, they have nothing to loose. They will keep coming back.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Where id I say illegal aliens were forced to testify against themselves?

And exactly what is the legal path to enter the US for a farmer with no family in the US from Guatemala, Honduras, Venezuela, El Salvador, which is where most of the migrants are coming from.

You whined about the 5th Amendment, but you admitted they were not forced to testify against themselves.

So why mention the 5th Amendment? They aren't being charged with a crime, no double jeopardy, so why?

And exactly what is the legal path to enter the US for a farmer with no family in the US from Guatemala, Honduras, Venezuela, El Salvador, which is where most of the migrants are coming from.

You apply from home, or you enter at a legal port of entry and request asylum.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So as I said, they have nothing to loose. They will keep coming back.

And hopefully, they'll be stopped at the border or deported much faster next time.

 

[Rawley]

These people have nothing to lose. They come from poverty stricken areas that are overrun by criminal gangs such as MS-13 and Barrio-18. Nearly everyone pays tributes or rents in one way or another. If they don't pay the gangs, they collect by taking their kids to become drug runners or sex slaves. So as I said, they have nothing to loose. They will keep coming back.

And when they do, we will throw them in prison for two years.

 

[Rawley]

And hopefully, they'll be stopped at the border or deported much faster next time.

Prison

 

[Flopper]

You whined about the 5th Amendment, but you admitted they were not forced to testify against themselves.

So why mention the 5th Amendment? They aren't being charged with a crime, no double jeopardy, so why?

And exactly what is the legal path to enter the US for a farmer with no family in the US from Guatemala, Honduras, Venezuela, El Salvador, which is where most of the migrants are coming from.

You apply from home, or you enter at a legal port of entry and request asylum.

You can apply but it's a waste of time. There is no waiting list The only way to enter the US legally is to have a family member in the US sponsor you or have a special skill and have a US company willing to sponsor you and pay a fee to the government each year for an H1 visa. Generally only scientist, engineers, or people at the top of their profession get selected.

In a documentary on Hatti I saw years ago, this Hattian said, "I want to come to the United States and I'm willing to wait in line as long as it takes but there is no line."

 

[Flopper]

And when they do, we will throw them in prison for two years.

Not likely. However, for many of these people our prisons are better than where they live.