Trump Deal - details, reactions and development on the ground

[Hollie]

RE: Trump Deal - details, reactions and development on the ground
⁜→ P F Tinmore,

Was there a "coup?"

You are forgetting about the US coup in Palestine that installed Fatah (The losers of the elections.) in the West Bank.

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Damn, I missed that...


Most Respectfully,
R

Damn, I missed that...

Indeed you did. Israeli propaganda (your favorite source of information.) says that a Hamas coup took over Gaza.

Of course that is just bullshit.

So.... we're left with your usual conspiracies of a coup (that never happened) and your inability to cite international laws (which don't exist), as an argument.

Indeed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[rylah]

• "50$ billion only after Pal state established"
• and "illegal under international law"

This is as much detached from facts as your understanding of the current situation in the middle east.
How about instead of parroting none sense like that,

read the thing once?


(P.S. Seriously, how do they even allow people like you as "teachers" into the US educ. system?)

 

[member]

Much speculation and claims in the air by various news sites.
I don't want to do that, let's discuss it when we see what it actually says.

PM Netanyahu and opposition leader Gantz, went to Washington to meet Pres.Trump.
The PA leadership refused the invitation

On the ground:

Hamas ordered all business closed by 13:00 to generate to generate wider demonstrations.
Following assessment meetings between Defense minister Bennet and Gen. Cochavi,
IDF increased presence in several points including Jordan valley and Judea
in preparation for any possible escalations.

Today 19:00 Israel time will be presented the Trump Deal.
That's in about 4 hours now.

1/28/20



“Hamas ordered all businesses closed by 13:00 (hours)
[to demonstrate wider demonstrations]. . . “

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3/25/20:


Do you know? did they ‘order’ more closings not because they want to demonstrate more “widely - but because of the – You know - the Chinese virus that’s wrecking havoc all over the world…..






Back! Stay back!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Mehdi Hasan: Trump’s Middle East Plan Is a Policy of Apartheid & Settler Colonialism

 

[Hollie]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Mehdi Hasan: Trump’s Middle East Plan Is a Policy of Apartheid & Settler Colonialism

Mehdi Hasan: Trump’s Middle East Plan Is a Policy of Apartheid & Settler Colonialism

That's outrageous!!!

Only Arabs are allowed to practice Apartheid & Settler Colonialism.

 

[rylah]

Good read:

Warning: Ambassador Friedman’s Vision for Contiguous Palestinian State Will Become Joe Biden’s Policy

Warning: Ambassador Friedman’s Vision for Contiguous Palestinian State Will Become Joe Biden’s Policy

With Netanyahu's de facto recognition of a Palestinian State for the next four years, expect a Joe Biden White House to take this concept, adjust and amend it as they see fit, and recognize a Palestin

www.jewishpress.com

 

[rylah]

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's what happens when you don't make peace.

 

[Hollie]

Failed policies of Arab-Moslem settler colonists stealing Israeli land implies there are negative consequences for the Arabs-Moslems.

 

[rylah]

Report: Saudi Arabia and Israel Conduct US-Mediated Negotiations - Incorporating Saudi Representatives into Islamic Waqf Council on Temple Mount

Alongside the 'Century Deal' drafted by US President Donald Trump, and the plan to apply Israeli law in the Jordan Valley including major communities in Judea and Samaria, US-mediated contacts between Israel and Saudi Arabia have been underway since December last year to integrate Saudi representatives into the Islamic Waqf Council on the Temple Mount, as reported by "Israel today".

Senior Saudi diplomats quoted in the paper confirmed to the publication that "these are sensitive and covert contacts that have been conducted in ambiguity and low intensity by a limited team of senior diplomats and security officials from Israel, the US and Saudi Arabia as part of the contacts to advance the Century Deal".

According to the diplomat, a few months ago, the Jordanians - who have a special and exclusive status in managing the Islamic Waqf on the Temple Mount - strongly opposed any change in the Islamic Waqf Council's composition on the Temple Mount, but the change in Amman's stance came as a result of intense Turkish involvement in East Jerusalem in general and on the Temple Mount. .

Israel National News

 

[rylah]

Netanyahu: The Palestinians have to concede, not Israel

On the magnitude of achieving US recognition of Israeli sovereignty in Judea and Samaria, Prime Minister Neyanyahu says, "Only if the Palestinians consent to complete Israeli security control everywhere, they can have their own entity that Trump defines as a state."

Full interview: https://www.israelhayom.com/2020/05/28/netanyahu-the-palestinians-have-to-concede-not-israel/

 

[rylah]

PA submits counter-proposal to 'Deal of the Century'

PA Prime Minister says he submitted peace plan to the Quartet calling for demilitarized Arab state in almost all of Judea and Samaria.

The Palestinian Authority has submitted a counter-proposal in response to the Trump Administration's peace plan, AFP reported.

"We submitted a counter-proposal to the Quartet a few days ago," PA Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh said.

The Quartet is made up of the US, the UN, the EU. and Russia.

Shtayyeh said the proposal calls for the creation of a "sovereign Palestinian state, independent and demilitarized" with "minor modifications of borders where necessary."

US President Donald Trump presented his peace plan, dubbed the 'Deal of the Century,' in January. The plan allows Israel to maintain control over all Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria and the Jordan Valley. Under the plan, a Palestinian Arab State would be created in the rest of Judea and Samaria and Gaza, with a significant amount of land from southern Israel joined to Gaza to compensate for the land Israel would retain in Judea and Samaria. The PA would also receive $50 billion in economic assistance.

Report: PA submits counter-proposal to 'Deal of the Century'

PA Prime Minister says he submitted peace plan to the Quartet calling for demilitarized Arab state in almost all of Judea and Samaria.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[ESay]

PA submits counter-proposal to 'Deal of the Century'

PA Prime Minister says he submitted peace plan to the Quartet calling for demilitarized Arab state in almost all of Judea and Samaria.

The Palestinian Authority has submitted a counter-proposal in response to the Trump Administration's peace plan, AFP reported.

"We submitted a counter-proposal to the Quartet a few days ago," PA Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh said.

The Quartet is made up of the US, the UN, the EU. and Russia.

Shtayyeh said the proposal calls for the creation of a "sovereign Palestinian state, independent and demilitarized" with "minor modifications of borders where necessary."

US President Donald Trump presented his peace plan, dubbed the 'Deal of the Century,' in January. The plan allows Israel to maintain control over all Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria and the Jordan Valley. Under the plan, a Palestinian Arab State would be created in the rest of Judea and Samaria and Gaza, with a significant amount of land from southern Israel joined to Gaza to compensate for the land Israel would retain in Judea and Samaria. The PA would also receive $50 billion in economic assistance.

Report: PA submits counter-proposal to 'Deal of the Century'

PA Prime Minister says he submitted peace plan to the Quartet calling for demilitarized Arab state in almost all of Judea and Samaria.

www.israelnationalnews.com

It looks somewhat like a trap. It seems that the word 'demilitarized' will be the main point which they will try to be seemed as a main concession. What does it mean? Absence of regular army and nothing more? In this case it means nothing. If it means being under Israel security parcel, then it may be a valid point.

Especially hilarious seems the demand about territorial exchanges and the desire to get the money. In this case, the money for what?

 

[rylah]

PA submits counter-proposal to 'Deal of the Century'

PA Prime Minister says he submitted peace plan to the Quartet calling for demilitarized Arab state in almost all of Judea and Samaria.

The Palestinian Authority has submitted a counter-proposal in response to the Trump Administration's peace plan, AFP reported.

"We submitted a counter-proposal to the Quartet a few days ago," PA Prime Minister Mohammed Shtayyeh said.

The Quartet is made up of the US, the UN, the EU. and Russia.

Shtayyeh said the proposal calls for the creation of a "sovereign Palestinian state, independent and demilitarized" with "minor modifications of borders where necessary."

US President Donald Trump presented his peace plan, dubbed the 'Deal of the Century,' in January. The plan allows Israel to maintain control over all Jewish communities in Judea and Samaria and the Jordan Valley. Under the plan, a Palestinian Arab State would be created in the rest of Judea and Samaria and Gaza, with a significant amount of land from southern Israel joined to Gaza to compensate for the land Israel would retain in Judea and Samaria. The PA would also receive $50 billion in economic assistance.

Report: PA submits counter-proposal to 'Deal of the Century'

PA Prime Minister says he submitted peace plan to the Quartet calling for demilitarized Arab state in almost all of Judea and Samaria.

www.israelnationalnews.com

It looks somewhat like a trap. It seems that the word 'demilitarized' will be the main point which they will try to be seemed as a main concession. What does it mean? Absence of regular army and nothing more? In this case it means nothing. If it means being under Israel security parcel, then it may be a valid point.

Especially hilarious seems the demand about territorial exchanges and the desire to get the money. In this case, the money for what?

A trap, more like an open proposition to capitulation,
and they're not in the position to propose that, if anything.

When they say 'demilitarized' its effectively saying Israel's defense position in the center of the country is a 14km strip of beach, with nothing but Jordan and another new Sharia hole to the east. They have no military to begin with, so how is this a concession?

A half million Jews live in Judea, they don't mention them...

They want all for nothing, can offer nothing except chaos,
and everyone understands what happens soon after Abbas.

 

[P F Tinmore]

'Steal Of The Century': Trump's Palestine-Israel Catastrophe

 

[rylah]

What do Palestinian Arabs really think of Israeli sovereignty?

Arab affairs commentator Zvi Yehezkeli speaks with PA Arabs about sovereignty - and finds they prefer Netanyahu to Abbas.


Zvi Yehezkeli, the Arab affairs commentator for Channel 13, was interested to hear what Judea and Samaria Arabs think about the intention to apply sovereignty over parts of Judea and Samaria.

Sometimes, because of fear of the PA, those with whom Yehezkeli speaks tell the camera something different than what they actually think. This time, therefore, he decided to document the conversations with hidden camera glasses.

Speaking with the PA Arab population regarding their feelings about Israeli sovereignty, Yehezkeli finds that people would prefer Israeli rule to PA rule.

"Everyone is for [sovereignty]," says one interviewee, adding that all his friends think like him, too.

Yehezkeli asks another who would win, between "Bibi [Netanyahu]" and "Abu Mazen [Abbas]," if elections were held today in PA-controlled areas.

"Bibi," was the blunt response.

Another says he "wants the entire village to be happy, because today they're under the PA, but they want Netanyahu - nobody else. They want an Israeli ID." He adds that "One hundred, two hundred percent" feel this way.

"We're ready to live under the military boots of the army rather than under the head of Abu Mazen," another says.

"What has the PA done for us?" another asks. "I don't want a state. I want money. Money is preferable to a state. The entire Palestinian people wants this. What does it want? It doesn't want the PA. The PA robbed us and destroyed us."

A PA policeman notes, "In Israel there's law and order. Life is good. In the PA [...] they steal from us and give us only a little. All the money goes to Abu Mazen, to the PA, to those leaders. The people eat s**t. I prefer Israeli sovereignty, a hundred percent - not just me. I have 60 workers, and we're all together. We all have protexia. If you don't have protexia, you have nothing."

"Abu Mazen called to go and demonstrate over the Deal of the Century, nobody listened to him. 'Why don't you and your children go demonstrate?'"

Yehezkeli concludes that there is a "huge gap between the PA and the people which, after 25 years, understands that Palestinian sovereignty really did not make their lives better."

"The question is what we will hear in another month - the voices of PA leaders, or the voice of the people that thinks entirely differently?"

What do Palestinian Arabs really think of Israeli sovereignty?

Arab affairs commentator Zvi Yehezkeli speaks with PA Arabs about sovereignty - and finds they prefer Netanyahu to Abbas.

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[rylah]

Report: Trump peace plan could leave Jewish heritage sites under Palestinian control

New report claims Trump Middle East peace plan would place heritage sites across Judea and Samaria in a Palestinian state.


Hundreds of heritage and archaeological sites in Judea and Samaria could be removed from Israeli control and transferred to the Palestinian Authority’s jurisdiction, according to the map released in conjunction with US President Trump’s “Deal of the Century,” Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot revealed Tuesday morning.

The full list of endangered sites, which was presented to Knesset Speaker Yariv Levin (Likud) and other influential officials, will be discussed today in the context of the Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee hearing scheduled to begin at noon. The hearing, initiated by MKs Shlomo Karai, Matan Kahane and Moshe Arbel, will examine the steps taken by the Israeli government to combat the Palestinian takeover of Area C (the portion of Judea and Samaria placed under full Israeli jurisdiction under the Oslo Accords).

There are some 6,000 sites of historical and archaeological importance in Judea and Samaria that are recognized by the scientific community, but only 2,300 or so have been officially declared protected archaeological sites.

Following the roll-out of the “Peace to Prosperity” plan, “Preserving the Eternal,” a project dedicated to the preservation of the archaeological treasures scattered throughout Judea and Samaria, conducted an emergency survey for the Shiloh Policy Forum, of 365 major antiquities sites that bear particularly important physical testimony to Israel’s national heritage.

Of the 365 sites surveyed for this project, 258 are located in what is currently Area C.

According to the conceptual maps released with the Trump Plan, some 30% of these sites will be part of the future Palestinian state: 135 heritage sites currently under Israeli control will be reassigned to Palestinian jurisdiction. Notable among these are the Hasmonean Fortress at Horkania in the northern Judean Desert, the Hasmonean Fortress at Kypros in the Jordan Valley, the Hasmonean palaces near Jericho, the biblical city of Shomron (Samaria-Sebastia), the altar of Joshua on Mount Ebal, Tel Beitar, Tel Maon, Tel Hebron, among others.

Currently, the overwhelming majority of antiquities sites in Judea and Samaria suffer from constant vandalism and looting, with a sorely understaffed and underfunded department of the Civilian Administration responsible for law enforcement and prevention measures. To make matters worse, the Palestinian Authority has recently stepped up its activities in this area, dedicating tremendous effort and resources to re-writing and re-defining the history of these sites, turning them into "Palestinian heritage sites" and erasing or obscuring Jewish history, while curtailing access to the sites for Israeli tourists, archaeologists and other visitors.

These efforts are in full swing in such illustrative cases as Sebastia, the capital city of the biblical Jewish Kingdom of Samaria, and in the Hasmonean fortress of Tel Aromah near Peduel.

There is good reason for concern that these trends will be exacerbated, causing further erasure of history and the physical record of the Jewish connection to the Land of Israel in the archeology sites that Israel is slated to abandon.

"Unfortunately, in the last 20 years, the State of Israel has not maintained its heritage sites," says Etan Melet, Field Coordinator for the Preserving the Eternal Project. "Priceless archaeological sites have been neglected by the government and have been relegated to a very disrespectful place in the list of national priorities. 4,000 years of history should be given far more respect. We demand that decision makers give their full attention to our national heritage sites and take whatever steps are necessary to maintain them, even if it requires resources or adjusting the here and there. "

Meir Deutsch, Director General of the Regavim Movement, adds: "The Oslo Accords’ stipulations on preservation of and access to these world heritage treasures have failed completely. The coordination mechanism never got off the ground, and antiquities sites have been subjected to incessant looting that has damaged them to the point that in many cases there is nothing left for archaeologists to examine or document, not to mention preserve. Many more sites are on the verge of being lost forever to the scientific community, and other major sites have been targeted by the PA's for takeover and “repurposing” as "Palestinian heritage sites."

Copyright: Tel Hebron - Preserving the Eternal

Report: Trump peace plan could leave Jewish heritage sites under Palestinian control

New report claims Trump Middle East peace plan would place heritage sites across Judea and Samaria in a Palestinian state.

www.israelnationalnews.com