Trump calls the Portland riots an insurrection

[martybegan]

I was wrong. As of now add Louisiana.
So thats Portland, LA, Chicago, Washington DC, and Louisiana. This has literally NOT HAPPENED SINCE THE CIVIL WAR.

it happened during the Civil Rights era when the guard was fully taken away from the Governor's control and used AGAINST said governor's actions.

 

[konradv]

January 6th, and also what's happening in Portland, like I said earlier.

What’s happening in Portland? The only insurrection is Trump trying to overturn the Constitution by inciting reactions that can be exploited.

 

[Zincwarrior]

it happened during the Civil Rights era when the guard was fully taken away from the Governor's control and used AGAINST said governor's actions.

In how many states? Alabama is the only one I know. Next up will be NY, Oregon, and San Francisco.

How long until Trump declares nationwide Martial Law?

 

[Edgetho]

It's against the constitution. There has to be a REAL LIVE declared Emergency for the President to EVER call in the National Guard WITHOUT the Governor.... even as back up, they have to be called up, with the Governor.

We are a REPUBLIC. All States and their Governors, have Sovereignty....?

I love how dimocrap scum are always saying, "Trump can't do this!!" as he's actually doing it. Kinda pathetic, actually. Disturbing

POTUS has the right to use Federal Troops when enforcing Federal law. Your kind didn't object when JFK sent Federal Troops to Alabama, SEVERAL TIMES, to quell dimocrap scum trying to take rights away from Black People. Look it up and then maybe you won't be quite so stupid.

Actually, Trump has been extremely patient with dimocrap FILTH. He has every right to send in NOT National Guard, part-time, weekend Warrior-type Soldiers but he can send in the 101st Airborne Division if he's in the mood. They are ACTUAL Federal Troops. They will kill you. Dead. And walk over your twisted corpse on the way to get a beer.

All the while, you'll be screaming, "Trump can't do this!!" as he's actually doing it.

Grow up. Put your Big Girl pants on and grow up

 

[TemplarKormac]

The only insurrection is Trump trying to overturn the Constitution by inciting reactions that can be exploited.

Absolutely not.

The authorities in that city, along with the governor, are not upholding nor ensuring equal application of the laws as demanded by the 14th Amendment.

If I were Trump? I would invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807. Not just for them, but for any blue city that refuses to enforce the law. I consider them to be in open rebellion against a duly elected government.

 

[Zincwarrior]

I love how dimocrap scum are always saying, "Trump can't do this!!" as he's actually doing it. Kinda pathetic, actually. Disturbing

It is disturbing. Its disturbing that when he declares martial law before the midterms you will cheer and love him for it.

 

[Care4all]

I love how dimocrap scum are always saying, "Trump can't do this!!" as he's actually doing it. Kinda pathetic, actually. Disturbing

POTUS has the right to use Federal Troops when enforcing Federal law. Your kind didn't object when JFK sent Federal Troops to Alabama, SEVERAL TIMES, to quell dimocrap scum trying to take rights away from Black People. Look it up and then maybe you won't be quite so stupid.

Actually, Trump has been extremely patient with dimocrap FILTH. He has every right to send in NOT National Guard, part-time, weekend Warrior-type Soldiers but he can send in the 101st Airborne Division if he's in the mood. They are ACTUAL Federal Troops. They will kill you. Dead. And walk over your twisted corpse on the way to get a beer.

All the while, you'll be screaming, "Trump can't do this!!" as he's actually doing it.

Grow up. Put your Big Girl pants on and grow up

No he can't call up or use troops domestically in the USA against Americans by his own, with very few exceptions.

Trump's use of National Guard in Los Angeles illegal, judge rules

The ruling comes as Trump seeks to use National Guard troops in order to crack down on crime in other US cities.

www.bbc.com

After Trump deployed troops to Los Angeles, Governor Newsom sued the administration for alleged violations of the Posse Comitatus Act.

The law, first passed in 1878, prohibits using the US military in order to execute domestic laws, or assist with doing so. The law has limited exceptions, such as authorisation by Congress.

Judge Breyer found that the ways the Trump administration used the National Guard in Los Angeles violated these restrictions.

He cited work by soldiers such as "setting up protective perimeters, traffic blockades, crowd control, and the like" as prohibited under the law.

"President Trump's recent executive orders and public statements regarding the National Guard raise serious concerns as to whether he intends to order troops to violate the Posse Comitatus Act elsewhere in California," Judge Breyer wrote.

He warned that Trump and Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth ran the risk of "creating a national police force with the President as its chief".

He blocked the National Guard from executing the following laws including "engaging in arrests, apprehensions, searches, seizures, security patrols, traffic control, crowd control, riot control, evidence collection, interrogation, or acting as informants".

 

[martybegan]

In how many states? Alabama is the only one I know. Next up will be NY, Oregon, and San Francisco.

How long until Trump declares nationwide Martial Law?

Nothing is being declared in these cities. the only actions are being taken by federal officers doing their jobs.

And they are being interfered with by local anti-fa assholes, requiring the guard to be there as backup.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Nothing is being declared in these cities. the only actions are being taken by federal officers doing their jobs.

Evidently they are rousting anyone not pale white.

And they are being interfered with by local anti-fa assholes, requiring the guard to be there as backup.

So you send in the Army? Note they haven't left any of these places. We now live in the same world as every other Latin American Banana Republic with Army troops walking around.

When he declares martial law, you will love him for it.

 

[martybegan]

Evidently they are rousting anyone not pale white.

So you send in the Army? Note they haven't left any of these places. We now live in the same world as every other Latin American Banana Republic with Army troops walking around.

When he declares martial law, you will love him for it.

They are going after illegal immigrants. and that is the federal agents, not the guardsmen.

The guard, not the Army. they are actually two different things by law.

Drama much?

 

[Care4all]

Are you forgetting the civil rights era and the Guard being federalized to go AGAINST the actions of an elected State governor?

Nope, not at all! I haven't forgotten what actually happened at all!

All the guard does is give backup to federal agents in these cases. Same as in the civil rights cases.

Here, the guard isn't actually being used against the State itself, it's being used as manpower and backup for federal agents enforcing federal laws the locals don't want to help with, which is their right.

It's not against the State that is the worry, It's against the people....us citizens.

The guard can NOT be used as back up, as you call it, for things that you say they are for....under the Posse Comitatus Act.

Trump's use of National Guard in Los Angeles illegal, judge rules

The ruling comes as Trump seeks to use National Guard troops in order to crack down on crime in other US cities.

www.bbc.com

Judge Breyer found that the ways the Trump administration used the National Guard in Los Angeles violated these restrictions.

He cited work by soldiers such as "setting up protective perimeters, traffic blockades, crowd control, and the like" as prohibited under the law.

...............

He blocked the National Guard from executing the following laws including "engaging in arrests, apprehensions, searches, seizures, security patrols, traffic control, crowd control, riot control, evidence collection, interrogation, or acting as informants".

 

[martybegan]

Nope, not at all! I haven't forgotten what actually happened at all!

It's not against the State that is the worry, It's against the people....us citizens.

The guard can NOT be used as back up, as you call it, for things that you say they are for....under the Posse Comitatus Act.

Trump's use of National Guard in Los Angeles illegal, judge rules

The ruling comes as Trump seeks to use National Guard troops in order to crack down on crime in other US cities.

www.bbc.com

Judge Breyer found that the ways the Trump administration used the National Guard in Los Angeles violated these restrictions.

He cited work by soldiers such as "setting up protective perimeters, traffic blockades, crowd control, and the like" as prohibited under the law.

...............

He blocked the National Guard from executing the following laws including "engaging in arrests, apprehensions, searches, seizures, security patrols, traffic control, crowd control, riot control, evidence collection, interrogation, or acting as informants".

The guard can be used as they are being used, to protect US federal agents legally enforcing US federal law.

One judge, and a lefty one at that, that more than likely cheered when it was JFK and LBJ doing it to southern governors. and rightly so.

I think the civil rights use of the Guard as acceptable, just as the use now is acceptable.

 

[White 6]

Nothing was prevented from happening. Biden took office when he was supposed to.

A real insurrection was CHAZ/CHOP, where local authority was taken over by the mob for over a month.

Yes, yes, we all know you failed.
I take it, you are against criminal charges, commonly used, like Attempted Murder, just because the perp failed, the victim lived, due to being prevented from accomplishing the deed?

 

[martybegan]

Yes, yes, we all know you failed.
I take it, you are against criminal charges, commonly used, like Attempted Murder, just because the perp failed, the victim lived, due to being prevented from accomplishing the deed?

Nothing of the sort. If Dems would have just regularly prosecuted the J6 people it wouldn't have been an issue, but they went overboard and they got the response of the American People when Trump got re-elected.

Are you going with the Sideshow Bob argument on your second point?

 

[Care4all]

The guard can be used as they are being used, to protect US federal agents legally enforcing US federal law.

One judge, and a lefty one at that, that more than likely cheered when it was JFK and LBJ doing it to southern governors. and rightly so.

I think the civil rights use of the Guard as acceptable, just as the use now is acceptable.

The guard use now is unacceptable, under the law.

Truly Marty, the restrictions in the Posse Comitatus act were MEANT for things just like this....NOTHING BURGERS.

Why have the Act at all for something so little like this....?

You might as well not have the ACT at all, the way you are trying to DILUTE the law itself and purpose?

THE EXCEPTIONS of using the Military in any way inside the US are reserved for only really big, bad, dangerous situations where domestic law enforcement can not handle it or get it under control by themselves and or with federal agent law enforcement...most recent, the LA Riots in the 90s.

We don't want people to be afraid of a federal military state...or get used to seeing using military for the nothing burger events....it sets up a slippery slope for a future for that to happen.

Remember, the President has no constitutional power to do this. It is only by strict EXCEPTION that Congress is allowing this.... And THIS situation now, simply and clearly, is NOT it!!!!

This is in our best interest, in the citizen's best interest Marty. Please reconsider!

 

[midcan5]

There is a grand irony about crime and criminals - it is always the other side but consider Trump for instance. Why not mention him too. Reality has no place in partisan politics.

A Guide to the Criminal Cases Against Donald Trump | FRONTLINE | PBS | Official Site | Documentary Series

In 2023, Donald Trump became the first former president of the United States to be criminally indicted when he was charged in four separate criminal cases. With President Trump now back in office, here’s a look at where things stand in the cases.

www.pbs.org

 

[martybegan]

The guard use now is unacceptable, under the law.

Truly Marty, the restrictions in the Posse Comitatus act were MEANT for things just like this....NOTHING BURGERS.

Why have the Act at all for something so little like this....?

You might as well not have the ACT at all, the way you are trying to DILUTE the law itself and purpose?

THE EXCEPTIONS of using the Military in any way inside the US are reserved for only really big, bad, dangerous situations where domestic law enforcement can not handle it or get it under control by themselves and or with federal agent law enforcement...most recent, the LA Riots in the 90s.

We don't want people to be afraid of a federal military state...or get used to seeing using military for the nothing burger events....it sets up a slippery slope for a future for that to happen.

Remember, the President has no constitutional power to do this. It is only by strict EXCEPTION that Congress is allowing this.... And THIS situation now, simply and clearly, is NOT it!!!!

This is in our best interest, in the citizen's best interest Marty. Please reconsider!

No, it isn't. The guard isn't directly arresting anyone, and that is the real purpose of Posse Comitatus.

Has the Guard been given the power of arrest?

The State level law enforcement has decided to not cooperate with the feds, as is their right. This is the response.

Your analysis is flawed by your biases.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You have no idea how fascist Trump is. Portland isn’t in insurrection; that’s just another Trump/MAGA lie.

yes it is and has been for some time

CHAZ/CHOP was a violent antifa insurrection protected and allowed by the local government. They consistently restrict the portland PD from interfering with violent riots and have been doing so for years

 

[konradv]

The authorities in that city, along with the governor, are not upholding nor ensuring equal application of the laws as demanded by the 14th Amendment.

If I were Trump? I would invoke the Insurrection Act of 1807. Not just for them, but for any blue city that refuses to enforce the law. I consider them to be in open rebellion against a duly elected government.

If that’s true, sue; don’t send in troops, which is what ICE has become.

 

[Care4all]

No, it isn't. The guard isn't directly arresting anyone, and that is the real purpose of Posse Comitatus.

Has the Guard been given the power of arrest?

The State level law enforcement has decided to not cooperate with the feds, as is their right. This is the response.

Your analysis is flawed by your biases.

Incorrect! That's NOT what the judge ruled in the suit... That I posted. It's for ANY domestic activity inside the USA.