Trump and Musk: Two Grown Men Who Need To Grow The **** Up

Diversion? lol I'm directly commenting on your posts, you're the one introducing complete and utter bullshit that I've never said because you've lost the argument. You have NO SAY on what anyone else believes or practices, you have NO SAY on religious freedom that is protected by the constitution (from nutjobs like you). You have NO POWER over anyone, you're impotent. :laugh2:

Thank God! :auiqs.jpg:
I have a day in ruining impressionable youth through your whack job cult.
 
What he did was legal
Do you mean this was legal.

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Rational Religion Revival says so? Okey donkey then partner.
Rational Religion seeks Truth and respect for the Constitution and our system of law.

Lincoln called it Political Religion.

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Where is the data you owe me to show that there’s only 4 million white evangelical Christians in the United States?

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a lawless Trump supporter who thinks Christianity leads to mass murder knows more about the legality of Trump‘s January 6 attemp to stay in power than the VP and all his lawyers who were involved.

Pence expressed his belief that there is "almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president".
 
Rational Religion seeks Truth and respect for the Constitution and our system of law.

Lincoln called it Political Religion.

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Where is the data you owe me to show that there’s only 4 million white evangelical Christians in the United States?

View attachment 1121263 a lawless Trump supporter who thinks Christianity leads to mass murder knows more about the legality of Trump‘s January 6 attemp to stay in power than the VP and all his lawyers who were involved.

Pence expressed his belief that there is "almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president".
Got it. Thanks for the diatribe.
 
Got it. Thanks for the diatribe
You said everything Trump did on J6 was legal.

Does that mean it would have been legal for one person {Mike Pence} to choose the American president instead of the people.


Pence expressed his belief that there is "almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president".
 
You said everything Trump did on J6 was legal.

Does that mean it would have been legal for one person {Mike Pence} to choose the American president instead of the people.


Pence expressed his belief that there is "almost no idea more un-American than the notion that any one person could choose the American president".
Ummm, Trump wasn’t there. If what he did was illegal by FEDERAL law why weren’t charges brought?
 
Ummm, Trump wasn’t there. If what he did was illegal by FEDERAL law why weren’t charges brought?

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Trump was indicted twice by Grand Jury on related charges Federal Charges-
 
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Putin is a devout Christian as is his mom. Proof that Christianity leads to mass murder based on your warped reasoning about atheism.
That's nice. You should make a thread about that. Publicize your opinion more.
 
Jack Smith??? Really dude?
You said “ If what he did was illegal by FEDERAL law why weren’t charges brought?”

Doesn’t matter who was the prosecutor.

Trump admitted what he was up to

what Don Trump said during his J6speech to the mob he gathered in DC to assist in overturning the election that he lost… : …~… “All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people


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You said “ If what he did was illegal by FEDERAL law why weren’t charges brought?”

Doesn’t matter who was the prosecutor.

Trump admitted what he was up to

what Don Trump said during his J6speech to the mob he gathered in DC to assist in overturning the election that he lost… : …~… “All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people


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Nonsense.
Isn't that nice and you want to let him off the hook. Weird.
Is it nice that a Christian engages in mass murder? Why, you'd think the Catholics are back in control of the world again like they were for centuries of torture and killing of people for blasphemy and being a witch.
 
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That is a total of about 50 million white evangelicals and white Catholics based on about four out of 10 Catholics being fanatical zealots who vote for Republicans.

Where’d you get your 4 million figure. Please present it so I can review the data.
I knew you were wrong. This is the response from Copilot:

An evangelical is typically someone who follows evangelical Christianity, a movement within Protestantism that emphasizes personal conversion, the authority of the Bible, and spreading the Christian gospel. Evangelicals often believe in being "born again" and place a strong focus on missionary work and social activism. The term comes from the Greek word euangelion, meaning "good news" or "gospel".

Evangelicals can be found across various denominations and traditions, including Reformed, Holiness, Pentecostal, and Charismatic groups. Some well-known evangelical figures include Billy Graham, John Wesley, and Jonathan Edwards.

Polling organizations define evangelical identity in different ways, leading to variations in reported numbers. Here are the three main approaches:

1. Behavior-Based Definition – Some surveys, like early Gallup polls, define evangelicals by church attendance and religious participation. This method can exclude people who hold evangelical beliefs but don’t attend traditional evangelical churches.

2. Belonging-Based Definition – Other polls, such as Pew Research, rely on self-identification—asking respondents if they consider themselves evangelical. While this method captures a broad range of people, it can be too simplistic, as many evangelicals avoid the label.

3. Belief-Based Definition – Organizations like LifeWay Research and the National Association of Evangelicals use theological criteria to define evangelicals. Their surveys ask whether respondents strongly affirm core evangelical beliefs, such as the authority of the Bible and salvation through Jesus Christ.

Because of these different definitions, estimates of evangelicals in the U.S. range from 7% to 47% of the population, depending on the survey method used. Would you like to explore how these definitions impact political and social trends?
 
Two grumpy old men. That's what my cynical side tells me. Kinda sorta like the movie with Walter Matthau, but not. My intelligent side though says these men are acting like children. Both of them.

All in all, they need to grow the **** up. Seriously. There was a good thing going between the richest, most brilliant man this world has seen since Einstein, and Trump, who staged the greatest and what some see as the most miraculous political comeback in American history. But then when Trump found out an ally of Musk's, whom he nominated for NASA, was a Democrat (oh the horror!) he pulled him. That likely led to Musk voicing his displeasure with the BBB, and then today's row.

On one side, you have Musk, a centibillionaire and pioneering aerospace and technological innovator. On the other hand, you have Trump, the United States president twice, survivor of three separate assassination attempts, one of which almost killed him. Both, who should be projecting unity in the face of a feeble attempt by the left to take them down. But what happened? They did all the work for the left by going after each other's throats. In the left's lowest moment as a party, they give them substance and nourishment.

Trump and the GOP won't cut the pork, and Musk won't support it. And to tell you the truth, I kinda didn't like Musk before he got into politics, but I admired what he was doing for the aerospace industry. His vision for Mars ignited my imagination. I became one of his fans. However, now that Musk has gotten a taste of how savage DC politics are, he shouldn't be so naive. Three months is not sufficient experience. Musk was not prepared for the savagery that he would get for engaging the American political apparatus. Trump on the other hand, has a keen political instinct, it has served him well enough to get him elected twice. Musk would be wise to get back in Trump's good graces, and fast.

But in the end, I joined politics as a fiscal conservative (now classical liberal). What Trump is doing with the BBB is a travesty. He betrays my vote and faith in him when he endorses a bill with so much pork in it. Yeah, he aced immigration, but that's only one quantum of my conservatism. I want there to be spending cuts. What I don't want is a problem in search of a solution. I don't want presidents making agreements with people like Palantir for ways to keep and store my personal information. I don't care for people who lack conviction.

I agree with Musk in the end here, and I presume I always will. Musk to me is proving more a man of the people than Trump right now, and it disappoints me to say that.

With all that being said, they are both GROWN MEN who need to grow the **** up. I've reached my limit of bullshit.

Out.
Translation:

You don’t want to have to choose between them because you have too much invested in these creeps.
 
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