Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election?

[dblack]

You won't be free without a good government or community.

Exactly. National socialism is not good government.

 

[Luckyone]

You isolated your post about Christians while ignoring Muslims.

Did Trump say that God chose him to go against Muslims?

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Did Trump say that God chose him to go against Muslims?

That’s not what your thread is about. You specified Christians.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Exactly. National socialism is not good government.

It doesn't have to be nationalist but it will have to be socialist. Your claim that if it's socialist, it's "not good" is false.

 

[Luckyone]

Exactly. National socialism is not good government.

National socialism? Why don't you use the proper term.....which is Democratic Socialism as what is seen in Sweden and Norway?

 

[dblack]

It doesn't have to be nationalist but it will have to be socialist.

Not if I have anything to say about it.

Your claim that if it's socialist, it's "not good" is false.

That's my opinion. And I think reality backs it up. Socialism gives government too much power over our lives.

 

[dblack]

National socialism? Why don't you use the proper term.....which is Democratic Socialism as what is seen in Sweden and Norway?

I used the term that BS was using. Not that it makes any difference.

 

[TruthNotBS]

National socialism? Why don't you use the proper term.....which is Democratic Socialism as what is seen in Sweden and Norway?

Because national socialism is socially conservative. The liberals might lean towards socialism, but their other practices and ideas undermine civilization. We also have a really bad Zionist problem.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Not if I have anything to say about it.

That's my opinion. And I think reality backs it up. Socialism gives government too much power over our lives.

Capitalism does that, by enslaving you in both the workplace and to a government that serves the wealthy class at the expense of everyone else. Socialism, in the modern age is democratic and will employ the latest technology to improve everyone's life. The people own the means of production, together and manage production in collaboration with their government. Advanced robotics and artificial intelligence lead to either socialism or feudalism. I prefer democratic socialism.

 

[Luckyone]

Because national socialism is socially conservative. The liberals might lean towards socialism, but their other practices and ideas undermine civilization. We also have a really bad Zionist problem.

Liberals other practices and ideas undermine civilization?

Explain in detail please how your words apply to facts.

Zionist problem? you mean we should be supporting Hamas?

 

[Papageorgio]

You’re whataboutism is based on what?

Clinton and Obama never. Your suggestion is absurd.

Trump as a kind of Messiah is a new phenomenon. Carter never pandered to evangelicals in the way that Don Trump does

Religion and politics have been tied together since the country’s founding, I’m not sure why religious people would support Trump or Harris, both are frauds and liars. It’s a shame how dishonest both sides are. You and your two party system is hurting my America.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Religion and politics have been tied together since the country’s founding, I’m not sure why religious people would support Trump or Harris, both are frauds and liars. It’s a shame how dishonest both sides are. You and your two party system is hurting my America.

Nothing fraudulent about trump’s energy policy and immigration policy. Math doesn’t lie.

 

[Frankenstein]

You are the ghoul. Get your damn authoritarian. Christian knows out of women’s bodies. If you don’t know them leave them alone. Mind your own damn business..

That is biology you tool. Yeah Tim Walz line means nothing, when he had a hotline for people to tell on their neighbors during COVID ,and it's not the woman's body that human has separate hands, eyes, toes, legs, heartbeat and mind function.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

it's not the woman's body that human has separate hands, eyes, toes, legs, heartbeat and mind function.

I didn’t say it was the woman’s body. I said it’s alive inside of a woman’s body. Why are you going in there to invade her privacy? You are truly a ghoul.

 

[dblack]

Capitalism does that, by enslaving you in both the workplace and to a government that serves the wealthy class at the expense of everyone else.

Nonsense. You can tell your employer to **** off any time you want. That's not slavery. You don't have that option if government is your employer, or your landlord, or your grocer. If they control these things, if they are your only source for providing for your family, they control you - completely and totally.

Socialism, in the modern age is democratic and will employ the latest technology to improve everyone's life.

I can't care. Again, I prefer freedom.

The people own the means of production ..

The people own the means of production now. You want government to own the means of production. That's what this is all about, transferring power from the people to the state.

I prefer democratic socialism.

Yes. You've mentioned that. I prefer freedom.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Religion and politics have been tied together since the country’s founding,

Only men could vote in 1800. Washington never publicly disclosed his religious views . Adams Jefferson and Madison were rational Theists. They were not Bible believing blood of salvation Christians like today’s white evangelical Republican Christian nationalists are.

I would like to go back to the original religious atmosphere of our founding generation when only one out of five living in the thirteen colonies belonged to a church.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Nothing fraudulent about trump’s energy policy and immigration policy.

Trump’s frauds always involve elections and grifting.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Nonsense. You can tell your employer to **** off any time you want. That's not slavery. You don't have that option if government is your employer, or your landlord, or your grocer. If they control these things, if they are your only source for providing for your family, they control you - completely and totally.

I can't care. Again, I prefer freedom.

The people own the means of production now. You want government to own the means of production. That's what this is all about, transferring power from the people to the state.

Yes. You've mentioned that. I prefer freedom.

Nonsense. You can tell your employer to **** off any time you want.

Sure, if you want to be homeless. Over half of America lives paycheck to paycheck, hand to mouth.

That's not slavery. You don't have that option if government is your employer, or your landlord, or your grocer. If they control these things, if they are your only source for providing for your family, they control you - completely and totally.

Unlike the privately owned, for-profit business dictatorships, at least our government holds elections, allowing us to choose our leaders. When was the last time anyone participated in an election at their 9 to 5 job? Under our present system of production, human labor is reduced to a commodity, in a "labor market" and paid less than what they produce, in order for a capitalist parasite dictator to make a profit. These capitalists are leeches because they rely on the labor of others to live and amass wealth.

There's more accountability in a democratic government than in capitalist-run, for-profit dictatorships, where you're completely powerless unless you have a strong labor union and the government protecting your rights.

I can't care. Again, I prefer freedom.

You'll just have hardship and scarcity without a community or some type of government.

The people own the means of production now.

No, a small minority, about 6% of the population owns the means of production (the mines, factories, all of the facilities and machinery, of production and commerce). The working class, about 94% of the population, doesn't own the means of production or commerce.

You want government to own the means of production.

That's a strawman argument. The democratic government would simply in collaboration with the nation's workforce, through worker-run cooperatives, assist in organizing, planning, managing, and conducting the accounting of mass production. The government is simply a tool of the people, not the owner of the means of production. The people collectively own the facilities and machinery of production, it's their commonwealth.

 

[dblack]

Sure, if you want to be homeless. Over half of America lives paycheck to paycheck, hand to mouth.

Nope. That's not required.

Unlike the privately owned, for-profit business dictatorships, at least our government holds elections...

That's awfully weak tea. If a private employer pisses me off, I can quit right now. No need to wait for a ******* election. No need to convince voters to see things my way. They usually don't.


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[Papageorgio]

Show me one other president that said that he was picked by God to rule. One!

Woodrow Wilson for one, “Remember that God ordained that I should be the next president of the United States." Wilson later said that the United States had been created by God "to show the way to the nations of the world how they shall walk in the paths of liberty." Digital History

No go ahead and start spinning.