Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election?

[daveman]

Show me one other president that said that he was picked by God to rule. One!

It wasn't him, but he sure didn't discourage people from saying it.

Common Core Lesson Teaches Children Obama Is A Messiah​

Obama Messiah Watch​

‘Magic,’ ‘Lightbringer’, ‘Messiah’ — Not New Terms To Obama​

But it kinda sounds like he bought into the whole ObaMessiah thing.

Is Barack Obama the Messiah?​

"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
January 7, 2008.

Obama Conversion Stories​

"We have an amazing story to tell," she said. "This president has brought us out of the dark and into the light."
-- Michelle Obama
"Obama is, of course, greater than Jesus."
-- Politiken (Danish newspaper)
"No one saw him coming, and Christians believe God comes at us from strange angles and places we don't expect, like Jesus being born in a manger."
--Lawrence Carter
"Many even see in Obama a messiah-like figure, a great soul, and some affectionately call him Mahatma Obama."
-- Dinesh Sharma
"We just like to say his name. We are considering taking it as a mantra."
-- Chicago] Sun-Times
"A Lightworker -- An Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being"
-- Mark Morford
"What Barack Obama has accomplished is the single most extraordinary event that has occurred in the 232 years of the nation’s political history"
-- Jesse Jackson, Jr.
"This was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal."
-- Barack Obama
"Does it not feel as if some special hand is guiding Obama on his journey, I mean, as he has said, the utter improbability of it all?"
-- Daily Kos
"He communicates God-like energy..."
-- Steve Davis (Charleston, SC)
"Not just an ordinary human being but indeed an Advanced Soul"
-- Commentator @ Chicago Sun Times
"I'll do whatever he says to do. I'll collect paper cups off the ground to make his pathway clear."
-- Halle Berry
"A quantum leap in American consciousness"
-- Deepak Chopra
"He is not operating on the same plane as ordinary politicians. . . . the agent of transformation in an age of revolution, as a figure uniquely qualified to open the door to the 21st century."
-- Gary Hart
"Barack Obama is our collective representation of our purest hopes, our highest visions and our deepest knowings . . . He's our product out of the all-knowing quantum field of intelligence."
-- Eve Konstantine
"This is bigger than Kennedy. . . . This is the New Testament." | "I felt this thrill going up my leg. I mean, I don't have that too often. No, seriously. It's a dramatic event."
-- Chris Matthews
"[Obama is ] creative imagination which coupled with brilliance equals wisdom . . . [He is] the man for this time."
-- Toni Morrison
"Obama's finest speeches do not excite. They do not inform. They don't even really inspire. They elevate. . . . He is not the Word made flesh, but the triumph of word over flesh . . . Obama is, at his best, able to call us back to our highest selves."
-- Ezra Klein
"Obama has the capacity to summon heroic forces from the spiritual depths of ordinary citizens and to unleash therefrom a symphonic chorus of unique creative acts whose common purpose is to tame the soul and alleviate the great challenges facing mankind."
-- Gerald Campbell
"We're here to evolve to a higher plane . . . he is an evolved leader . . . [he] has an ear for eloquence and a Tongue dipped in the Unvarnished Truth."
-- Oprah Winfrey
“I would characterize the Senate race as being a race where Obama was, let’s say, blessed and highly favored. That’s not routine. There’s something else going on. I think that Obama, his election to the Senate, was divinely ordered. . . . I know that that was God’s plan."
-- Bill Rush

Admit it -- you had an Obama shrine, didn't you?

 

[whutTHEYsay]

If she has reason to think the election was not free, open, and honest, of course.

But "the Democrat didn't win!!" is not evidence of a stolen election.

Election interference is against the law no matter who you are and no matter what you think.


Don Trump is the one following the 2020 election who said “the Democrat didn’t win” and he is still saying it.

Don Trump has the right to say it, but he does not have a right to interfere in the election.

Trump has been indicted because he actually interfered in the 2020 election. It was certified by all 50 states after full well knowing that he had lost.. Donald Trump did not have a right to persuade Republicans in seven states to submit themselves as fake electors declaring Trump was the seven states that Trump had lost.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

More woah is me?

No, it’s……. woe is country …. If Republicans win.

I’ve become pretty confident that Trump is not going to win so my “WOE” level is transcending downward. I like seeing young people driving a movement in our multicultural, multi racial population and white suburban women dumping Trump.

But I am not going to quit condemning anti-democracy Republican goons Who believe Donald Trump is way above respecting the rules and propriety on the sacred grounds where so many American soldiers are laid to rest after sacrificing for their country. Trump could take a shit on a Middle Eastern sounding soldier’s name’s grave in Arlington national cemetery and his goons will cheer him on.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Automation and ai will increase the need for wage labor.

You are truly stupid. the death for all time of socialism is inevitable

You are an inevitable failure

When you start insulting people, you're rarely winning the argument. You're just triggered because you're unable to refute what I said with a logical, coherent argument, I'd like for you to explain to me and to everyone else, how you figure that advanced robotics (automation) and AGI i.e. Artificial General Intelligence, is going to create more jobs and expand the marketplace. You skip the insults and enter into an actual civil discussion with your opponent, which may actually lead to him or her discarding their current position and adopting yours. Educate me on your position. Go ahead.

 

[Soupnazi630]

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When you start insulting people, you're rarely winning the argument. You're just triggered because you're unable to refute what I said with a logical, coherentI did argument, I'd like for you to explain to me and to everyone else, how you figure that advanced robotics (automation) and AGI i.e. Artificial General Intelligence, is going to create more jobs and expand the marketplace. You skip the insults and enter into an actual civil discussion with your opponent, which may actually lead to him or her discarding their current position and adopting yours. Educate me on your position. Go ahead.

I did refute it with logical and coherent argument.


You throw more insults than anyone so that proves YOU lost the argument

 

[TruthNotBS]

I did refute it with logical and coherent argument.


You throw more insults than anyone so that proves YOU lost the argument

Not at all, I never insult my debate opponents, provided they don't insult me first. I also avoid resorting to insults, when they insult me because I see that type of interaction as childish and a waste of my precious time and energy. Show me in what post you've presented a logical, coherent, fact-based argument against my view that advanced automation (i.e. robotics) and AGI - Artificial General Intelligence, will force society by necessity to fully socialize production, moving us away from markets to rational, central planning. Show me the arguments, and I will read them with genuine interest. I'd like to see if maybe you're correct and I'm wrong. If you're right, and I'm not, I will discard my current position and adopt yours.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Not at all, I never insult my debate opponents, provided they don't insult me first. I also avoid resorting to insults, when they insult me because I see that type of interaction as childish and a waste of my precious time and energy. Show me in what post you've presented a logical, coherent, fact-based argument against my view that advanced automation (i.e. robotics) and AGI - Artificial General Intelligence, will force society by necessity to fully socialize production, moving us away from markets to rational, central planning. Show me the arguments, and I will read them with genuine interest. I'd like to see if maybe you're correct and I'm wrong. If you're right, and I'm not, I will discard my current position and adopt yours.

Yes you routinely do

I already you showed you
Your argument is a view and that is all. I stated the same

Your view is not self evident or support by evidence it is a flight of fancy and nothing more

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yes you routinely do

I already you showed you
Your argument is a view and that is all. I stated the same

Your view is not self evident or support by evidence it is a flight of fancy and nothing more

Provide the post number, where I can read your argument for the survival and success of market capitalism, with full or near full automation. I would like to learn from you, because you're obviously a very capable, intelligent economist if you're able to present a good case for market capitalism, that employs intelligent robots and AGI to produce its goods and services. I find that quite amazing. I would be impressed with your high-level analysis that argues for market capitalism working along with full automation. Please enlighten me sir. Thank you.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

dblack

We'll see another denial meltdown from whichever side loses. Count on it.

You are retarded. Trump did not win the election of 2020 but he is still lying that he did. Trump says the US Constitution should be terminated because he was prevented from serving in Term Two because of outcome determinative election fraud that he can’t put a finger on just yet..

In December 2022, Trump took to his social media site Truth Social to promote the "Big Lie" — and used it as justification for the "termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution."

So because Donald Trump thinks he won the 2020 election he wants to change the Constitution so that no matter what the people decide to be the winner Donald Trump and his heirs can save America

 

[lennypartiv]

Does the OP not realize we were founded as a Christian nation?

 

[TruthNotBS]

Does the OP not realize we were founded as a Christian nation?

We weren't in any way founded as a "Christian nation". We are founded upon the rule of law, a constitution, the respect for good morals, a sturdy, robust work ethic..etc, but not on the basis of a particular religion or God. A Higher Power, yes indeed, but no particular God or religion is mentioned in our founding documents, nor is there any mention of Christianity or any other religion.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

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Does the OP not realize we were founded as a Christian nation?

i. Trump and Evangelical religion pro's and con's. Should Religion even be involved in the election? 240903 {post•432}

NotfooledbyW Sep’24 Taerp: We were founded by Enlightened Thinkers to put an end to the entrenched thousand year reign of irrational error and church state terror and abuse over the individual mind; to put and end to the Catholic and Protestant police states of Europe. nfbw 240903 taerp00432

*xvii. America's Christian Heritage 170301 {post•1} ding Mar’17 Sachyz: The second best-selling book in the American colonies was the New England Primer. ••• Many of its selections were drawn from the King James Bible. dvng 170301 Sachyz00001

*xviii. Separation of Church and State? 240822 {post•903}. NotfooledbyW Aug’24 Vsocas: I need to draw your attention to paragraph xvii. This is where Saint ding celebrates the triumph of faith in unprovable facts as collected the biblical worldview, over faith in reason by the celebrating the reality that in colonial America children were indoctrinated by the church/state regime of King James

I reckon KJ is probably the monarch most famous for converting a Catholic book into a Protestant one leading to all kinds of wars beheadings, tortures and all the other kinds of abuses that come when a church is aligned with a state.

We can see continued abuses from church/state authoritarianism in the current Russian invasion of Ukraine as well as the suffering of women in America of church/state abortion bans, such has the ban enacted in Texas.

The Catholic Dr. D 'Elia attack on TJ can be read in paragraph xvi. D 'Elia tells us that TJ swore “upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man" with a big target being the Catholic Church in the history of Western Civilization,

It’s too bad President Jefferson is not here to defend our nation against the tyranny of a minority of the Catholic as mind expressed by the Catholic Dr. D 'Elia.

This story is about coming to the defense of Thomas Jefferson and the separation of church and state which is the foundation of our western liberal democracy.

Catholic Americans are split with more than half understanding the concept of separation of church and state with a high wall between them. But the low wall or no wall mindset is represented in the expectations of its most virulent right wing Catholic believers.

They must be stopped in November.
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[surada]

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Haha it was a British coloney, they were British. They weren’t immigrants.

Immigrants come from one country to another.

There was no country here when the British came here and settled, not until they fought for their independence and formed their own country, the United States.

If you were born in a British colony
You're a British citizen automatically if both of the following apply: you were a citizen of the UK and Colonies ( CUKC ) on 31 December 1982. you had the 'right of abode' in the UK (this means you could live and work in the UK free of any immigration controls)

 

[whutTHEYsay]

North America was not a country when GW was born.

My statement of fact was; there was a country in North America when George Washington was born.

 

[Frankenstein]

Trump has been "using" the Evangelicals and quoting God as a way to get elected. and recently with the attempted assassination attempt he experienced, according to Trump, God is watching out for him and that is the reason why he was not killed. In addition, Megan Kelly tried to confirm that by making the case that Trump was shot at 6:11pm and that is meaningful on a biblical basis............In reading Ephesian 6:11 where it says "Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes." Megan Kelly says that it means that Trump has the "full armor of God" on his side and the Democratic "devils" were the ones trying to kill him.

Nonetheless, this video makes the very good case that the opposite meaning is most likely to be the case, quoting other 6:11's verses in the Bible. See this and have a good laugh



I have 2 questions for you:

1) "Should Trump be using God and Religion to win the presidency"?
2) "Knowing who Trump is and hearing the above video, should the Evangelicals be supporting Trump"?

You cannot vote for Harris as a Christian I will keep saying it over and over. Trump is not perfect but much better that the anti Christ Harris

 

[whutTHEYsay]

You cannot vote for Harris as a Christian I will keep saying it over and over. Trump is not perfect but much better that the anti Christ Harris

Don Trump’s hope to stay out of Federal Prison is being undone by the reproductive rights for women issue:


Read Here;

Trump's flip-flops show 'contempt for voters' as campaign panics: Morning Joe panel

Panelists on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Tuesday did little to hide their disgust after watching former President Donald Trump once again push false claims about blue states allowing for the "execution" of babies at nine months of pregnancy.The comments came as the panelists dissected Trump's...

www.rawstory.com

Panelist Willie Geist said that the former president's claims about "post-birth abortions" showed that he has "such contempt for voters."
"Abortions that happen after 21 weeks or 24 weeks are extremely rare," he pointed out. "Women don't want to have an abortion at that point and it means that something medically is wrong and they have to have an abortion. That's not an elective thing that women do casually."

Watch the video below or at this link.

 

[TruthNotBS]

You cannot vote for Harris as a Christian I will keep saying it over and over. Trump is not perfect but much better that the anti Christ Harris

Why do you have to vote for any of them? They're all bad.

 

[whutTHEYsay]

Why do you have to vote for any of them? They're all bad.

1. When there is a “good” one in your opinion will you vote for such a rare commodity?

2. Are all the justices on the Supreme Court good or bad?

 

[TruthNotBS]

1. When there is a “good” one in your opinion will you vote for such a rare commodity?

2. Are all the justices on the Supreme Court good or bad?

This Christian is saying that Harris is an anti-Christ, then goes on to support Trump, as if he's not an anti-Christ. They measure everything upon the metric of abortion, and LGBTQ. OK, so they're the champions of fetuses or prenatal babies. How about the babies in Gaza, torn to pieces by American bombs and missiles, crushed under the rubble? Do these Christian holy rollers, supposed disciples of Jesus Christ, the champions of fetuses, care about those Palestinian babies? No, many of these Zionist Evangelicals watch videos of these Palestinians, being slaughtered by the Jews that they worship, and they could care less. Babies, women, the elderly, torn to pieces by the Israeli airforce, the Jewish gods that these Evangelicals serve like mindless slaves.

Trump is a blind Zionist, he's not MAGA, he's MIGA, Make Israel Great Again.

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Israel performs more abortions of convenience per capita or "willy nilly abortions" than the USA. The secular Jewish State of Israhell holds one of the largest sodomite pride parades in the world, in the Holy Land:

Jews thumbing their noses at YHWH
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Talk about "anti-Christ".

ZOG = ZIONIST OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT​

You're voting for anti-Christ any which way you vote. It's all anti-Christ.

 

[Frankenstein]

Don Trump’s hope to stay out of Federal Prison is being undone by the reproductive rights for women issue:


Read Here;

Trump's flip-flops show 'contempt for voters' as campaign panics: Morning Joe panel

Panelists on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Tuesday did little to hide their disgust after watching former President Donald Trump once again push false claims about blue states allowing for the "execution" of babies at nine months of pregnancy.The comments came as the panelists dissected Trump's...

www.rawstory.com

Panelist Willie Geist said that the former president's claims about "post-birth abortions" showed that he has "such contempt for voters."
"Abortions that happen after 21 weeks or 24 weeks are extremely rare," he pointed out. "Women don't want to have an abortion at that point and it means that something medically is wrong and they have to have an abortion. That's not an elective thing that women do casually."

Watch the video below or at this link.

Yes, late-term abortions are real, and they happen every day

The truth is that 10,000 late-term abortions are performed annually, the majority for elective reasons.

thehill.com