Trump ain't perfect, but we need him to win in 2020. Here's why.

[Butch_Coolidge]

Indeed Hepatitis.


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Non sequitur....

The majority of your opinions.


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And another.

HSW?


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Three for three.

Maybe dims should put that phrase on a hat.


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[BasicHumanUnit]

Trickle down has never benefited the lower and middle classes..

So utterly easy to disprove......and sure it has and does...

Simple real world analogy and example that translates to ALL aspects of society....

It's why poor people go to "better" neighborhoods to see what they've thrown out because the well to do can often discard things far better than the poor can afford to purchase.
Washers, dryers, furniture....often in good working order.....they just wanted better. I've set perfectly good Bosch dishwashers on the curb simply because I decided I wanted a KitchenAid model.

Why wouldn't the less fortunate hunt for things in their own neighborhoods? If you can't answer that, you flunk economics 101 spectacularly. But because you're baffled, just surmise it to say that similarly wealth permeates....the more there is, the more everyone is lifted economically.

And it CLEARLY debunks your assertion.
(even though you may lack the skills to process why and how)

Ironic that at the same time you can say that Socialism is a better system for lifting people from poverty. Again, spectacular failure of economics 101.

 

[caddo kid]

Thoughtful points, but all are debatable and absent are the gross and glaring negatives that keep, and have always kept Trump in the low approval ratings and high disapproval ratings. His persistent compulsive lying and lack of knowledge about history and issues coupled with his historically high amount of corruption and incompetence in his administration have turned large numbers of citizens against him and will continue to do so.

Yeah his style is problematic but he is getting results. We didn't elect a role model.

So, you like a so called leader that has the propensity to lie all the time, having no plan but is rather impulsive, constantly offending every known norm & ally, and is the moral equivalent of Satan.

Yeah; that is gonna work great. LOFL ...........

 

[Faun]

Trickle down has never benefited the lower and middle classes..

So utterly easy to disprove......and sure it has and does...

Simple real world analogy and example that translates to ALL aspects of society....

It's why poor people go to "better" neighborhoods to see what they've thrown out because the well to do can often discard things far better than the poor can afford to purchase.
Washers, dryers, furniture....often in good working order.....they just wanted better. I've set perfectly good Bosch dishwashers on the curb simply because I decided I wanted a KitchenAid model.

Why wouldn't the less fortunate hunt for things in their own neighborhoods? If you can't answer that, you flunk economics 101 spectacularly. But because you're baffled, just surmise it to say that similarly wealth permeates....the more there is, the more everyone is lifted economically.

And it CLEARLY debunks your assertion.
(even though you may lack the skills to process why and how)

Ironic that at the same time you can say that Socialism is a better system for lifting people from poverty. Again, spectacular failure of economics 101.

All it’s done is explode the debt. If your idea of helping the middle class is to put money in their pocket that their kids and grandkids are going to have to pay back, then you’re fucked in the head.

I don’t live off my kids, I raise them.

 

[Markle]

”Which is about a 20% reduction”

And under Obama, the unemployment rate went from it’s Great Recession peak of 10% to 4.7%, a decrease of 53%.

“at the same time President Donald Trump has INCREASED the Labor Participation Rate by about the same 20%.”

That’s not true. The LFPR is up by 0.1 point under trump, the smallest possible margin of growth. That’s an increase of 0.16%, not 20%.

But hey, you were only off by 12480%.

Our Labor Participation Rate:

 

[rightwinger]

”Which is about a 20% reduction”

And under Obama, the unemployment rate went from it’s Great Recession peak of 10% to 4.7%, a decrease of 53%.

“at the same time President Donald Trump has INCREASED the Labor Participation Rate by about the same 20%.”

That’s not true. The LFPR is up by 0.1 point under trump, the smallest possible margin of growth. That’s an increase of 0.16%, not 20%.

But hey, you were only off by 12480%.

Our Labor Participation Rate:

3/10 of a percent increase in four years
Not something to write home about

 

[Markle]

”Which is about a 20% reduction”

And under Obama, the unemployment rate went from it’s Great Recession peak of 10% to 4.7%, a decrease of 53%.

“at the same time President Donald Trump has INCREASED the Labor Participation Rate by about the same 20%.”

That’s not true. The LFPR is up by 0.1 point under trump, the smallest possible margin of growth. That’s an increase of 0.16%, not 20%.

But hey, you were only off by 12480%.

Our Labor Participation Rate:

3/10 of a percent increase in four years
Not something to write home about

When did two years and two months become four years?

The rate dropped from 65.7 all the way down to 62.7, that's a huge drop in this metric.

 

[rightwinger]

”Which is about a 20% reduction”

And under Obama, the unemployment rate went from it’s Great Recession peak of 10% to 4.7%, a decrease of 53%.

“at the same time President Donald Trump has INCREASED the Labor Participation Rate by about the same 20%.”

That’s not true. The LFPR is up by 0.1 point under trump, the smallest possible margin of growth. That’s an increase of 0.16%, not 20%.

But hey, you were only off by 12480%.

Our Labor Participation Rate:

3/10 of a percent increase in four years
Not something to write home about

When did two years and two months become four years?

The rate dropped from 65.7 all the way down to 62.7, that's a huge drop in this metric.

3/10 of a percent since Crooked Donnie became President

 

[Faun]

”Which is about a 20% reduction”

And under Obama, the unemployment rate went from it’s Great Recession peak of 10% to 4.7%, a decrease of 53%.

“at the same time President Donald Trump has INCREASED the Labor Participation Rate by about the same 20%.”

That’s not true. The LFPR is up by 0.1 point under trump, the smallest possible margin of growth. That’s an increase of 0.16%, not 20%.

But hey, you were only off by 12480%.

Our Labor Participation Rate:

Why are you posting old data? March, 2019, data is out and it’s at 63.0 percent.

As I said, that’s an increase of just 0.1 point, the smallest possible increase. Or 0.16%.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

All it’s done is explode the debt.

Excessive spending has exploded the debt

 

[rightwinger]

All it’s done is explode the debt.

Excessive spending has exploded the debt

Combined with irresponsible slashing of revenue

We used to be a great society that did great things

We built the Panama Canal, Hoover Damn, TVA, Interstate Highway System......we even went to the moon

Then we sold out to Supply Side Economics......slash taxes at the top and watch the wealth and prosperity trickle down
Instead, they just kept the money

We beg poverty when major projects are proposed. Can’t afford modern infrastructure. Roads, Bridges, mass transit, modern communications and power grids.......all are neglected

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

All it’s done is explode the debt.

Excessive spending has exploded the debt

Combined with irresponsible slashing of revenue

We used to be a great society that did great things

We built the Panama Canal, Hoover Damn, TVA, Interstate Highway System......we even went to the moon

Then we sold out to Supply Side Economics......slash taxes at the top and watch the wealth and prosperity trickle down
Instead, they just kept the money

We beg poverty when major projects are proposed. Can’t afford modern infrastructure. Roads, Bridges, mass transit, modern communications and power grids.......all are neglected

Tax revenue is up

Who Really Pays Uncle Sam's Bills?

 

[Markle]

Combined with irresponsible slashing of revenue

Revenues are increasing. How is that a problem?

 

[rightwinger]

All it’s done is explode the debt.

Excessive spending has exploded the debt

Combined with irresponsible slashing of revenue

We used to be a great society that did great things

We built the Panama Canal, Hoover Damn, TVA, Interstate Highway System......we even went to the moon

Then we sold out to Supply Side Economics......slash taxes at the top and watch the wealth and prosperity trickle down
Instead, they just kept the money

We beg poverty when major projects are proposed. Can’t afford modern infrastructure. Roads, Bridges, mass transit, modern communications and power grids.......all are neglected

Tax revenue is up

Who Really Pays Uncle Sam's Bills?

When is the last great project of the US

We haven’t had a significant accomplishment since the 70s

 

[rightwinger]

Combined with irresponsible slashing of revenue

Revenues are increasing. How is that a problem?

Why do we run a trillion dollar deficit with a strong economy?

 

[Markle]

Combined with irresponsible slashing of revenue

Revenues are increasing. How is that a problem?

Why do we run a trillion dollar deficit with a strong economy?

Too much spending. Failed former President Barack Hussein Obama left us in the hole on many issues leaving us with no choice. Which you already know.

 

[Markle]

When is the last great project of the US

We haven’t had a significant accomplishment since the 70s

It isn't the job of the Federal Government to spend for "significant accomplishments". It is the job of the Federal Government to make sure the conditions are right for the CITIZENS to accomplish great things.

The International Space Station is one.

Nothing during the years of the failed former President Barack Hussein Obama

Destruction of the ISIS Caliphate

 

[candycorn]

Hey all,
I'm new to this board, and I'm here to engage in thoughtful, constructive political talk. I realize that is extremely unlikely given that this is the internet. Here we look at the issues that are most important to the voters, and which political party has the winning message on the issue.

The Economy: hello
Republican's Message:
Donald Trump has revitalized the economy in his first two years, creating close to 5.5 million jobs. The country boasts an average 3% GDP in 2018, a 3.8-3.9% unemployment rate (lowest since the 50s). Historic low unemployment for African Americans, Latinos, and women. In June 2016, Obama stated that manufacturing jobs were never going to come back saying Trump needed 'a magic wand' in order to make it happen. At that time, Obama was averaging about 50,000 added manufacturing jobs. Four months later, Donald Trump was elected. Two years into his presidency, Donald Trump is averaging 550,000 jobs added. Under Obama, GDP growth was hovering around 1.5-2%. Anyone who says Obama is responsible for this booming economy, is not interested in serious discussion. Tax cuts, deregulation, and less government intervention has spurred this growth. Yes, the tax cuts primary benefitted the wealthy and big corporations. Trickle down economics has allowed for these corporations to invest that extra money into wage increases and added investment into the U.S. economy. The result is more jobs, and more opportunity for everyone. The fact is that if you want a job, you can get. Not to mention the USMCA trade deal, and the likely China Trade Deal that will be made. These two, when enacted, will boost the economy even more.

Democrat's Message:
Prohibiting an economic downturn, this is going to be a hard sell for the Democrats in 2020. As we have seen, cutting taxes that primarily benefit the rich and big corporations has promoted added investment back into the economy and an influx of jobs, which in turn has created a booming economy. The Democrats have seen this, and being the savvy politicians they are, they are choosing to go into the exact opposite direction and "TAX THE RICH!!". In theory, this sounds good. Some people have way too much money, so why can't they spare some? Well, like many things that initially sound good in theory, turn out to be very destructive in the long run. Recently, New York state passed legislation taxing the rich. In a press conference after seeing the negative effects of this legislation, NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo said "Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich. We did. Now, God forbid the rich leave." That is what we saw with Obama. He raised taxes on the rich, and corporations began to leave our country for greener pastures such as China and Mexico. These companies have no incentive to stay in our country when they are getting taxed heavily and have to wade through miles of red tape and government intervention. Now, Trump has reversed these policies, and now you see these huge corporations coming back and revitalizing places like Detroit. The Democrats are quite literally promising to return to Obama's policies, but in an even more drastic fashion. They plan to tax the rich in unprecedented amounts in order to pay for universal healthcare and free college, which we will address in a minute.

WINNER: Republicans. The GOP's economic policy has been proven to work and the Democrat's message is regressive and counterproductive.

Economic System Idealogy
Democrats, "Democratic Socialism":
For the first time in American history, a political party that represents half of the country favors socialism over capitalism. On August 13 of this year, a Gallup poll’s results revealed that among Democrats, 57% approve of socialism, while only 47% approve of capitalism. The economic system that has generated the world’s most robust and successful economy is now being rejected by the very country that has reaped its extraordinary benefits for over two centuries. Over the last 150 years, socialism has been implemented in numerous societies; it has failed every time and has resulted in hundreds of millions of deaths. Unlike socialism, capitalism inspires motivation in the workplace, is practical, and is more economically viable. Socialism spends money, but earns nothing. Capitalism spends some money, but earns much more.

Republicans, Capitalism:
Motivation is the general desire and willingness to do something, and it is the very thing that has made America into what it is today. Since its inception, America has provided unprecedented opportunity for all people, which has fueled the motivation shared by all Americans. This feeling of endless opportunity and limitless achievement is what separates private institutions from public institutions. There is a certain pride that is fused with the ownership of private organizations. A public institution is a mandatory service to the taxpayers that fund them, but private institutions are businesses kept alive solely by the initiative and determination of the owner. In a public school, a headmaster knows exactly how much funds the school will receive, exactly what his salary will be, and is told what to do by higher-ups in the Board of Education. In a private school, a school board has the freedom to build and grow their school, pay teachers what they want, and manage the school’s funds as if it were a business. According to the Council for American Private Education, the graduation rate for private high schools is 95%, while only 82% of students are graduating in public schools. In the same study, it was found that the average ACT score in private schools is 23.4, and only 20.3 for public schools. While public schools are at a clear disadvantage, it has been proven that private schools offer a better education. According to U.S. News, the top 50 universities in the country only include 5 public schools, and the top 20 are all private institutions. In nearly every case, it is clear that privately run institutions are more effective than public institutions, due to the differences in motivation and pride necessary to be effective.

WINNER: Hopefully for the country's sake, Republicans. I find it hard to believe a majority of Americans will reject Capitalism and embrace near socialist policies. If the Green New Deal is a mainstream Democratic policy, which one could argue, the Democrats are in a lot of trouble.

Healthcare
Democrats:
The left-leaning Urban Institute evaluated Bernie's health plan and came to the conclusion that it would cost $2.5 trillion in the first year and $32 trillion over ten years. In 2017, federal income taxes generated around $1.5 trillion. To pay for Bernie’s decade long universal healthcare plan income taxes would have to more than triple. Inevitably, Sanders will assure all of his voters that only the wealthy will be taxed. There are over 11 million millionaires living in the United States. If every millionaire’s income was seized by the government, it would only pay for one year of Bernie’s plan. If the total assets of Apple, Google, Microsoft, Facebook and ExxonMobil were confiscated by the government it would pay for only five months of the plan. These findings do not include the free college tuition imbedded in Sanders’ outlandish agenda, which could potentially cost more than universal healthcare. If a socialist plan such as this were fully implemented, it would bankrupt America and bring the world’s most powerful civilization to its knees. What is amazing is that Bernie's agenda was still fringe progressivism only a few years ago. Now, nearly all of the main candidates are endorsing all of these policies. The one thing that is keeping Joe Biden at the top of the polls is his unwillingness to pander to the far left, thereby maintaining his more moderate brand. This is likely to change, as the race to the democratic nomination will also be a race to the far left.

Republicans:
It is going to be hard for Republicans to win on this issue. In the past, Republicans have approached the healthcare in the wrong way. They have attempted to tackle this matter by issuing exhaustive and boring reports from right wing thing tanks, that are, to say the least, not very sexy. The Republicans have to roll out a healthcare plan that is practical but also has the new exciting appeal of universal healthcare.

WINNER: Right now, Democrats. Even if these policies will destroy our economy if fully implemented should a Democrat win the presidency, they are likely winning issues for the Democrats in 2020. The ball is in the Republicans court, and it is up to them as to how they will approach the healthcare question.

Immigration
Democrats:
The Democrat message to the American people on immigration is anything but coherent. During Trump's government shutdown, the Democrats clear message was this: "Trump is taking the American people hostage with this shutdown, over a manufactured crisis, to fulfill his political promises." The 'manufactured crisis' rhetoric is starting to bite the Democrats in the butt. DHS, ICE, and Border Patrol are giving facts and statistics that point to a full blown crisis on our border. In a statement a few weeks ago, Border Patrol stated that under 1,000 apprehensions a day is good day. Anything over 1,000 apprehensions is a bad day. 2,000 apprehensions is at crisis level. They then states that a few days earlier they apprehended 4,000 illegals. That is double the crisis level. They went on to say that their holding facilities are on the verge of collapse. In a typical holding facility, 4,000 illegals is about normal. 6,000 people is at crisis level. Border Patrol states that they are attempting to process 13,000 immigrants through one facility. Attempting to care for the massive overflow of illegals, agents set up fences under a bridge. These people received food, medicine, and shelter. The mainstream media headlined this as "Border Patrol putting people in cages again" The Democrats, in my opinion, want open border style policy when it comes to the border, and it is extremely dangerous.

Republicans:
Republicans want people to come into our country legally. We process over 1 million legal immigrants a year, far and away the most in the world. The Republicans recognize over and over again the real problem with immigration: the broken laws. Our current laws are basically this: Any non-Mexican illegal immigrant apprehended by Border Patrol can then claim asylum. There is no concrete requirement to be eligible for asylum. Asylum means that, by law, Border is required to feed, house, give a court date, and release the immigrants into the mainland. Commonly referred to 'catch and release', this practice is largely seen as a massive loophole by foreigners. It's simple, the Republicans wan't to fix the bad laws.

WINNER: Republicans. Republicans have a clear message, the Democrats do not.


The Republicans seem to be winning on the issues that matter. Why is that Trump's approval numbers are so low? (42%). It may have to do with Trump's style, which are turning off many suburban women and independent voters.

2020 is going to be very interested. If the Democrats can somehow surface a candidate that satisfies the far left, while maintaining a moderate stance on the key issues, then Trump should watch out. It is a very fine line that the Democrats must walk. We will see, but right Trump needs to win in 2020, or our country is in big trouble.

Thanks for reading. I am a senior in high school so any pointers in my writing would be much appreciated.

Will

tRump's average GDP is 2.9%, same as Obama's 2016. Job creation is continuing at a similar pace to President Obama's. The republicans don't have a healthcare plan.....

Your post is full of "alternative facts".

The litmus test is very simple.

Trump started running in 2015.

Four years ago.

CommonSenseRep

What is his healthcare plan?

The GDP rate is about the same.
The monthly job figures are somewhat better but signs of slowing are showing up.
We’re bailing out farmers who are already heavily subsidized because of the tariffs and our deficit was recently at record levels.

All of that is factual.

But your blob has had 4 years to formulate a healthcare plan. What is it?

 

[rightwinger]

Combined with irresponsible slashing of revenue

Revenues are increasing. How is that a problem?

Why do we run a trillion dollar deficit with a strong economy?

Too much spending. Failed former President Barack Hussein Obama left us in the hole on many issues leaving us with no choice. Which you already know.

Massive tax cuts plus increased spending = deficit

 

[rightwinger]

When is the last great project of the US

We haven’t had a significant accomplishment since the 70s

It isn't the job of the Federal Government to spend for "significant accomplishments". It is the job of the Federal Government to make sure the conditions are right for the CITIZENS to accomplish great things.

The International Space Station is one.

Nothing during the years of the failed former President Barack Hussein Obama

Destruction of the ISIS Caliphate

Not much to brag about

Two senseless wars
Massive debt
Loss of global influence