Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl.

[SwimExpert]

This is all well and good. But Flacco is not Trent dilfer. Flacco may not be one of the top 5 QB in the league but he's not a middle of the pack overhyped QB like say, dalton.

By what analysis do you reach that conclusion? According to his stats, Flacco is pretty much middle of the pack.

NFL Stats by Player Position

Completion percentage = 27th (after eliminating passers with less than 10 attempts)
Total yards = 12th
YPG = 18th
TD = 12th
INT = 13th
Rating = 22rd (after eliminating passers with less than 10 attempts)
Ave = 23rd

Flacco is a good QB. But if you are saying he's better than middle of the pack, you're overhyping him.

He's proven he can win without needing a Calvin Johnson and a Dez Bryant out wide.

No, he hasn't. Flacco has always had a premier selection of receiving targets at his disposal. The one year his receiving corps wasn't especially great, the team went 8-8. Mason, Boldin, T. Smith, S. Smith, Jones, Heap, Pitta, Dickson, Owens, and Rice catching out of the backfield, all were pretty damn good individual contributors to outstanding overall receiving corps. Few teams are so fortunate to have as much talent at their disposal catching passes.

 

[SwimExpert]

No, seriously

Your logic is in a world of its own. I don't see anyone else on this thread who can understand what you are babbling about

I take that as a compliment, coming from you. If you can't understand it, it makes too much damned sense.

 

[Paulie]

This is all well and good. But Flacco is not Trent dilfer. Flacco may not be one of the top 5 QB in the league but he's not a middle of the pack overhyped QB like say, dalton.

By what analysis do you reach that conclusion? According to his stats, Flacco is pretty much middle of the pack.

NFL Stats by Player Position

Completion percentage = 27th (after eliminating passers with less than 10 attempts)
Total yards = 12th
YPG = 18th
TD = 12th
INT = 13th
Rating = 22rd (after eliminating passers with less than 10 attempts)
Ave = 23rd

Flacco is a good QB. But if you are saying he's better than middle of the pack, you're overhyping him.

He's proven he can win without needing a Calvin Johnson and a Dez Bryant out wide.

No, he hasn't. Flacco has always had a premier selection of receiving targets at his disposal. The one year his receiving corps wasn't especially great, the team went 8-8. Mason, Boldin, T. Smith, S. Smith, Jones, Heap, Pitta, Dickson, Owens, and Rice catching out of the backfield, all were pretty damn good individual contributors to outstanding overall receiving corps. Few teams are so fortunate to have as much talent at their disposal catching passes.

Yep and soon as he gets to the playoffs he turns it up and outperforms most of the others. Who the **** cares if he has average stats in the regular season if he gets you into the playoffs and then shines? That's why he's not middle of the pack. The ******* guy won you a super bowl and you're in here acting like an ungrateful *****.

In 2012 he had boldin and smith. Oooooh big ******* deal. Andy dalton wouldn't be winning with those receivers. Neither would stafford, or cutler, etc. all qb's that have premier receivers to throw to, that can barely make the playoffs let alone win games if they do.

You wanna advocate for better receivers, by all means do. Nothing wrong with that at all. But your opinion about Flacco makes you look like an idiot.

 

[rightwinger]

This is all well and good. But Flacco is not Trent dilfer. Flacco may not be one of the top 5 QB in the league but he's not a middle of the pack overhyped QB like say, dalton.

By what analysis do you reach that conclusion? According to his stats, Flacco is pretty much middle of the pack.

NFL Stats by Player Position

Completion percentage = 27th (after eliminating passers with less than 10 attempts)
Total yards = 12th
YPG = 18th
TD = 12th
INT = 13th
Rating = 22rd (after eliminating passers with less than 10 attempts)
Ave = 23rd

Flacco is a good QB. But if you are saying he's better than middle of the pack, you're overhyping him.

He's proven he can win without needing a Calvin Johnson and a Dez Bryant out wide.

No, he hasn't. Flacco has always had a premier selection of receiving targets at his disposal. The one year his receiving corps wasn't especially great, the team went 8-8. Mason, Boldin, T. Smith, S. Smith, Jones, Heap, Pitta, Dickson, Owens, and Rice catching out of the backfield, all were pretty damn good individual contributors to outstanding overall receiving corps. Few teams are so fortunate to have as much talent at their disposal catching passes.

Shows what fantasy football numbers mean

Average QBs do not have Flaccos playoff experience or ability to come up big in a big game
Flaccos playoff record is exceptional
You can have your QB in a fantasy league.....I'll take Flacco in the playoffs

 

[SwimExpert]

Average QBs do not have Flaccos playoff experience

or ability to come up big in a big game

Flacco doesn't come up big in big games. He has always had receivers who come up big in big games. Jacoby Jones beating the secondary in the mile high miracle, Anquan Boldin and catch after impossible catch throughout the 2012 playoffs, Torrey Smith in the end zone in Pittsburgh with 8 seconds left, Torrey Smith's 1 handed 53 yard catch in week 17 against the Browns which helped secure the Ravens a playoff spot, Torrey Smith's 1 handed catch in week 16 of the 2012 season, Ray Rice converting on 4th and 29 with 30 YAC.

Flaccos playoff record is exceptional

THE TEAM.

All your doing is attributing everything the team accomplishes to Flacco alone simply because he is the QB. You are, in fact, the living proof of everything I have been saying. You are in love with the idea of the QB, and attribute all things good to him, while shrugging off any responsibility for any failures. But I guess I should expect no less from an entitled liberal who thinks you have a right to what everyone else produces.

 

[SwimExpert]

Yep and soon as he gets to the playoffs he turns it up and outperforms most of the others.

Again, by what measure?

Who the **** cares if he has average stats in the regular season if he gets you into the playoffs and then shines?

Again, by what ******* measure? Because the team wins? Your circular reasoning is has no merit.

That's why he's not middle of the pack. The ******* guy won you a super bowl and you're in here acting like an ungrateful *****.

Wait, what? What the **** are you talking about?

In 2012 he had boldin and smith.

The receiving corps in 2012 included Boldin, Smith, Jones, Pitta, Dickson, and both Rice and Leach catching out of the backfield. It was hands down the single best corps of receiving targets in the league, and better than most teams manage to assemble.

Oooooh big ******* deal. Andy dalton wouldn't be winning with those receivers. Neither would stafford, or cutler, etc. all qb's that have premier receivers to throw to, that can barely make the playoffs let alone win games if they do.

Neither of those teams have the full assortment of top line receiver options.

You wanna advocate for better receivers, by all means do. Nothing wrong with that at all. But your opinion about Flacco makes you look like an idiot.

No, you're the one who is an idiot. You keep doubling down on this idiotic idea that one make makes the team, and all you have to offer for it is circular reasoning. "The QB won the games so he gets all the credit. He gets all the credit because he won the games."

 

[Montrovant]

This has gotten stranger and stranger.

Yes, QB is the most important individual position in football. No, Joe Flacco is not an elite QB. Better than Dalton, but not exceptional. Nor is he the kind of average in the regular season, turn it on in the playoffs QB that Eli Manning has been.

Joe Flacco has not had a top-tier receiving corp. He's had years with good receivers, but never at the top of the league. He hasn't had a superstar like Calvin Johnson, he hasn't had the kind of overall talent that Cutler did with Marshall, Jeffries and Bennett.