Tree Find Confirms Alps Warming at Twice Global Rate

How could it be warmer? Wouldn't warmer = exposing these two things to the air??? This is the entire point of this thread.

Don't tell me you don't know about the medieval warming period?

If the needle or human would of been exposed to the air = dust and bone. The medieval couldn't be warm enough to melt the glacial or that would happen.

How am I wrong?
 
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How could it be warmer? Wouldn't warmer = exposing these two things to the air??? This is the entire point of this thread.

Don't tell me you don't know about the medieval warming period?

If the needle or human would of been exposed to the air = dust and bone. The medieval couldn't be warm enough to melt the glacial or that would happen.

How am I wrong?
Wouldn't that also depend on the location
 
How could it be warmer? Wouldn't warmer = exposing these two things to the air??? This is the entire point of this thread.

Don't tell me you don't know about the medieval warming period?

Well, Rabble, you obviously don't know much about the MWP.

NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data

Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years

Instead of flapping your dumb ass yap, do a little real research and see what the scientists have actually found out concerning this subject.
 
How could it be warmer? Wouldn't warmer = exposing these two things to the air??? This is the entire point of this thread.

Don't tell me you don't know about the medieval warming period?

Well, Rabble, you obviously don't know much about the MWP.

NOAA Paleoclimatology Global Warming - The Data

Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years

Instead of flapping your dumb ass yap, do a little real research and see what the scientists have actually found out concerning this subject.

I'm not going to beat a dead horse and I will not post a link to something that has already been proven to you.
The medieval period was much warmer than it is now.
 
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tree find confirms alps warming at twice global rate


tree find confirms alps warming at twice global rate | climate central
london – it was only a single, withered conifer needle, but it told a dramatic story of climate change. Glaciologists found it in a set of ice cores drilled through a glacier on top of mount ortles, in the italian alps.

It lay about 80 meters (262 feet) below the glacial surface, encased in solid ice, and carbon dating confirmed that it had blown from the branches of larix decidua, the european larch, 2,600 years earlier.

It was found about 30 kilometers (19 miles) from a far more dramatic exposure: The body of ötzi the iceman, a mummified bronze age corpse revealed by a melting glacier in 1991.

Both finds deliver the same uncompromising message: For at least 5,000 years – because ötzi perished around that time – the italian alps had continued to stay frozen throughout the year.

as they drilled into the glacier, the research scientists from six nations found that the first 30 meter (98 feet) layer was composed of grainy compacted snow that had partly melted. Below that was nothing but solid, enduring ice all the way down to frozen bedrock.

they could be sure that nothing had changed in this permanent layer of ice for at least 2,600 years, because it had preserved a larch needle from a tree that must have grown at least 2,000 years after ötzi had perished in the same complex of alpine glaciers.

“the leaf supports the idea that prehistoric ice is still present at the highest elevations of the region,” gabrielli said.

this is solid evidence that within europe it hasn't been warmer. Tell me how a needle and a ice man could remain preserved if not?

2 x 0 =0
 
Tree Find Confirms Alps Warming at Twice Global Rate


Tree Find Confirms Alps Warming at Twice Global Rate | Climate Central
LONDON – It was only a single, withered conifer needle, but it told a dramatic story of climate change. Glaciologists found it in a set of ice cores drilled through a glacier on top of Mount Ortles, in the Italian Alps.

It lay about 80 meters (262 feet) below the glacial surface, encased in solid ice, and carbon dating confirmed that it had blown from the branches of Larix decidua, the European larch, 2,600 years earlier.

It was found about 30 kilometers (19 miles) from a far more dramatic exposure: the body of Ötzi the Iceman, a mummified Bronze Age corpse revealed by a melting glacier in 1991.

Both finds deliver the same uncompromising message: for at least 5,000 years – because Ötzi perished around that time – the Italian Alps had continued to stay frozen throughout the year.

As they drilled into the glacier, the research scientists from six nations found that the first 30 meter (98 feet) layer was composed of grainy compacted snow that had partly melted. Below that was nothing but solid, enduring ice all the way down to frozen bedrock.

They could be sure that nothing had changed in this permanent layer of ice for at least 2,600 years, because it had preserved a larch needle from a tree that must have grown at least 2,000 years after Ötzi had perished in the same complex of Alpine glaciers.

“The leaf supports the idea that prehistoric ice is still present at the highest elevations of the region,” Gabrielli said.

This is solid evidence that within Europe it hasn't been warmer. Tell me how a needle and a ice man could remain preserved if NOT?

The OP MEANS no such thing. Ice is a very non-linear proxy for temperature.. Hate to tell ya but it doesn't change much unless the temperature crosses 32degF during even a BRIEF period of a year. So current temperatures NEED NOT BE WARMER.. That's a rookie science mistake if that's what's being claimed. You only need it to be ABOVE 32 degF for a LONG ENOUGH TIME for the glacier to melt back. Doesn't SAY that it's never been warmer. Simply says that NOW that the climate reached that ice melting threshold HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO -- it's been warm enough LONG ENOUGH to reach that level of melt..

And you wonder why there are skeptics ????
 
This AGW Schtick is seriously long in the tooth.

After 15 years of no warming- only the most gullible fools still believe in it.

You had a good run though!! Save the polar bears!!! :thup:
 
The denier cult had a good run, but after 150 years of warming, they're looking more than a little ridiculous.
 
The denier cult had a good run, but after 150 years of warming, they're looking more than a little ridiculous.

That's so cute...Here's an endangered Polar bear (shriek!) ....at least you saved him!!!

global_warming.jpg
 
Scientists working on the most authoritative study on climate change were urged to cover up the fact that the world’s temperature hasn’t risen for the last 15 years, it is claimed.

Read more: Climate scientists told to 'cover up' the fact that the Earth's temperature hasn't risen for the last 15 years | Mail Online
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LOL. So you post the equivelant of the National Enquirer and World Globe as evidence in a discussion of science.:lol::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::lol:
 
The denier cult had a good run, but after 150 years of warming, they're looking more than a little ridiculous.

That's so cute...Here's an endangered Polar bear (shriek!) ....at least you saved him!!!

global_warming.jpg

The Arctic Ice is going at a rate that may leave us with no ice for a short period in the Arctic Ocean in the summer by 2020, the glaciers worldwide are receding, and the permafrost is melting and emitting terra-tones of CO2 and CH4. But you post idiocy from Breitbart. Way to go, really improves the situation and pegs your lack of intellect quite well.
 
Scientists working on the most authoritative study on climate change were urged to cover up the fact that the world’s temperature hasn’t risen for the last 15 years, it is claimed.

Read more: Climate scientists told to 'cover up' the fact that the Earth's temperature hasn't risen for the last 15 years | Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

LOL. So you post the equivelant of the National Enquirer and World Globe as evidence in a discussion of science.:lol::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::lol:

Refute it. Don't forget Scientists have been urged to cover up their findings.
 
Scientists working on the most authoritative study on climate change were urged to cover up the fact that the world’s temperature hasn’t risen for the last 15 years, it is claimed.

Read more: Climate scientists told to 'cover up' the fact that the Earth's temperature hasn't risen for the last 15 years | Mail Online
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

LOL. So you post the equivelant of the National Enquirer and World Globe as evidence in a discussion of science.:lol::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::lol:

Refute it. Don't forget Scientists have been urged to cover up their findings.

Well silly ass, that is not the case. Were you not such a willfully ignorant redneck, you would have looked up how warm the past few years have been.

1970-79 -0.00180 F temperature analomy
1980-89 0.317 F temperatue analomy
1990-99 0.563 F temperature analomy
2000-09 0.923 F temperature analomy

Instrumental temperature record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
LOL. So you post the equivelant of the National Enquirer and World Globe as evidence in a discussion of science.:lol::cuckoo::cuckoo::cuckoo::lol:

Refute it. Don't forget Scientists have been urged to cover up their findings.

Well silly ass, that is not the case. Were you not such a willfully ignorant redneck, you would have looked up how warm the past few years have been.

1970-79 -0.00180 F temperature analomy
1980-89 0.317 F temperatue analomy
1990-99 0.563 F temperature analomy
2000-09 0.923 F temperature analomy

Instrumental temperature record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wiki?
ok
Politics of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Counting 2013, 13 of the 15 warmest years on record have been in the last 15 years. And you dare state that it has not been warming since 1998?
 
Counting 2013, 13 of the 15 warmest years on record have been in the last 15 years. And you dare state that it has not been warming since 1998?

Scientists working on the most authoritative study on climate change were urged to cover up the fact that the world’s temperature hasn’t risen for the last 15 years, it is claimed.
 
Refute it. Don't forget Scientists have been urged to cover up their findings.

Well silly ass, that is not the case. Were you not such a willfully ignorant redneck, you would have looked up how warm the past few years have been.

1970-79 -0.00180 F temperature analomy
1980-89 0.317 F temperatue analomy
1990-99 0.563 F temperature analomy
2000-09 0.923 F temperature analomy

Instrumental temperature record - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wiki?
ok
Politics of global warming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OK, silly ass, NASA and the AGU.

NASA: 2012 Was 9th Warmest Year on Record. The 9 Warmest Years Have All Occurred Since 1998. - Dan's Wild Wild Science Journal - AGU Blogosphere
 
Counting 2013, 13 of the 15 warmest years on record have been in the last 15 years. And you dare state that it has not been warming since 1998?

Scientists working on the most authoritative study on climate change were urged to cover up the fact that the world’s temperature hasn’t risen for the last 15 years, it is claimed.

That is what the dingleberries claim, and I just showed you that is not true at all. There was nothing to cover up. Here you can see it in graphical form;

UAH v5.6 Global Temperature Update for Nov. 2013: +0.19 deg. C « Roy Spencer, PhD
 

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