Treasury unilaterally waives battery requirements on EV vehicle tax credit !

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These bureaucracies are out of control.

The law as passed required certain requirements to be met to receive this $7500 tax credit.

"The new rules state that in 2023, at least 40% of the car batteries’ minerals must be extracted or processed in the U.S. or in a country with which the U.S. has a free-trade agreement. That percentage goes up to 80% by 2027.

On top of that, in 2023, 50% of the battery components must be manufactured or assembled in North America. That percentage goes up to 100% by 2029. Final assembly of the vehicle must also take place in North America."

The Treasury department has decided on it's own to ignore some of these requirements.

"Three days before the new EV tax credit policy was set to take effect, the Treasury announced it was delaying the mineral and battery component requirements until March so it could have more time to figure out how to measure those percentages to determine which vehicles would qualify under the terms.

But it wasn’t delaying credits from taking effect, so starting Jan. 1, people could score the extra $7,500 tax credit by buying a vehicle that met the other guidelines, battery requirements not included."


IMO this completely undercuts the intention of the law... to incentivize the use of US and US ally produced batteries and battery components including ore.

Should a federal bureaucracy be permitted to ignore the law?
 
These bureaucracies are out of control.

The law as passed required certain requirements to be met to receive this $7500 tax credit.

"The new rules state that in 2023, at least 40% of the car batteries’ minerals must be extracted or processed in the U.S. or in a country with which the U.S. has a free-trade agreement. That percentage goes up to 80% by 2027.

On top of that, in 2023, 50% of the battery components must be manufactured or assembled in North America. That percentage goes up to 100% by 2029. Final assembly of the vehicle must also take place in North America."

The Treasury department has decided on it's own to ignore some of these requirements.

"Three days before the new EV tax credit policy was set to take effect, the Treasury announced it was delaying the mineral and battery component requirements until March so it could have more time to figure out how to measure those percentages to determine which vehicles would qualify under the terms.

But it wasn’t delaying credits from taking effect, so starting Jan. 1, people could score the extra $7,500 tax credit by buying a vehicle that met the other guidelines, battery requirements not included."


IMO this completely undercuts the intention of the law... to incentivize the use of US and US ally produced batteries and battery components including ore.

Should a federal bureaucracy be permitted to ignore the law?
This entire administration is constantly ignoring the law.
 
Talk about much ado about nothing. Those percentages cannot be met overnight, it takes time to develop infrastructure, sourcing, logistics, and everything else necessary to make us independent on raw material sourcing, and we are doing this in the face of 100% opposition from the Republican Party.
 
I love how Telsa raised their prices to counter the tax credit.

GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO STAY THE FUCK OUT OF PRIVATE COMMERCE.

The government should serve as oversight to make sure the laws are followed, but when the government subsidizes industries, it does not work like they think it will.

Tax credits are useless.

Obama’s Cash for Clunkers just made used car prices skyrocket.

The market finds homeostasis.
 
Talk about much ado about nothing. Those percentages cannot be met overnight, it takes time to develop infrastructure, sourcing, logistics, and everything else necessary to make us independent on raw material sourcing, and we are doing this in the face of 100% opposition from the Republican Party.
Are you talking about how the Republicans are stopping mining projects in our own country?
Oh, wait...

 
Those percentages cannot be met overnight, it takes time to develop infrastructure, sourcing, logistics, and everything else necessary to make us independent on raw material sourcing...

Then you agree that the tax credit should not be granted to any vehicle that doesn't meet the requirements of the law...in order to further facilitate US battery manufacturing... Correct?
 
These bureaucracies are out of control.

The law as passed required certain requirements to be met to receive this $7500 tax credit.

"The new rules state that in 2023, at least 40% of the car batteries’ minerals must be extracted or processed in the U.S. or in a country with which the U.S. has a free-trade agreement. That percentage goes up to 80% by 2027.

On top of that, in 2023, 50% of the battery components must be manufactured or assembled in North America. That percentage goes up to 100% by 2029. Final assembly of the vehicle must also take place in North America."

The Treasury department has decided on it's own to ignore some of these requirements.

"Three days before the new EV tax credit policy was set to take effect, the Treasury announced it was delaying the mineral and battery component requirements until March so it could have more time to figure out how to measure those percentages to determine which vehicles would qualify under the terms.

But it wasn’t delaying credits from taking effect, so starting Jan. 1, people could score the extra $7,500 tax credit by buying a vehicle that met the other guidelines, battery requirements not included."


IMO this completely undercuts the intention of the law... to incentivize the use of US and US ally produced batteries and battery components including ore.

Should a federal bureaucracy be permitted to ignore the law?
They are Deep State assholes who cater to leftwing rich people

The tax credit only works for rich people not the poor
 
Neither the OP or their link provides the actual text of the law ... what are you hiding? ...

The US has a free trade agreement with Peru ... so why do you think the lithium in these EV batteries come from a country without a FTA? ... here's the list: "The United States currently has 14 Free Trade Agreements (FTAs) with 20 countries in force ..." --- US Dep't of Commerce --- n.d. ...

This does NOT include any EU countries ... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ... or Taiwan, so where do the IC chips come from ... ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ...
 
Neither the OP or their link provides the actual text of the law ... what are you hiding? ...

I'm linked to what is being reported.

If you have sourced contrary information, please feel free to share it.

The difficulties for the EU and Japan are well documented in the linked article and also listed as an egregious oversight in this portion if the Inflation Reduction Act.
 
Everyone who owns or wants to own an electric car must do their homework on the enviro devastation and human devastation cause by cobalt and lithium mining....
Shame on us is what they will say in the future....
 
I'm linked to what is being reported.

If you have sourced contrary information, please feel free to share it.

The difficulties for the EU and Japan are well documented in the linked article and also listed as an egregious oversight in this portion if the Inflation Reduction Act.

Your OP, it's your job to back up your claims ... why does Peru and Colombia get a pass on all this? ... nevermind Mexico and Canada ...

Is it reasonable to stop all EV manufacturering and sales until all the details can be worked out? ... what makes you think this gets docketed before Treasury is finished? ... you didn't even reade the law in question, just following what some journalist tells you to think ...

The IC chips are made in China ... is this what you're supporting? ... if not, why are you using a computer full of commie bullshit parts? ... Gees, we GAVE BofA 5 trillion dollars just to keep them from going bankrupt, why are you bent out of shape over a lousy $7500 tax credit? ... [giggle] ... I know, you still can't afford one ... that's sad ... there's a Ford F-150 in your future then ...
 
Talk about much ado about nothing. Those percentages cannot be met overnight, it takes time to develop infrastructure, sourcing, logistics, and everything else necessary to make us independent on raw material sourcing, and we are doing this in the face of 100% opposition from the Republican Party.
The law, which you admit could not be complied with, was passed by Democrats, yet you blame Republicans for it? If there was such a thing as a negative IQ, you would have one.
 
So you pay $7500 more for your Tesla and the government gives you a $7500 tax credit.

How about we skip the middle man and just pay $7500 less for the car?

STAY AWAY GOVERNMENT.
 
Your OP, it's your job to back up your claims ... why does Peru and Colombia get a pass on all this? ... nevermind Mexico and Canada ...
Tell me you didn't read the link, without telling me you didn't read the link.
Is it reasonable to stop all EV manufacturering and sales until all the details can be worked out? ... what makes you think this gets docketed before Treasury is finished? ... you didn't even reade the law in question, just following what some journalist tells you to think
It is reasonable to withhold the tax credit from vehicle purchases that do not meet the requirements.

We call this "obeying the law".
The IC chips are made in China ... is this what you're supporting? ... if not, why are you using a computer full of commie bullshit parts? ... Gees, we GAVE BofA 5 trillion dollars just to keep them from going bankrupt, why are you bent out of shape over a lousy $7500 tax credit? ... [giggle] ... I know, you still can't afford one ... that's sad ... there's a Ford F-150 in your future then
Completely off topic.
 
The government is trying to prop up 'friendly' companies and offer tax credits even though they cannot live up to their promises. Pathetic.
 
Tell me you didn't read the link, without telling me you didn't read the link.

Read it again, still no link to the law in question ...

It is reasonable to withhold the tax credit from vehicle purchases that do not meet the requirements.

We call this "obeying the law".

What law? ... I want a direct quote from the Federal Statutes ... or you got nothin' ...

Completely off topic.

Oh ... soory ... spot-on correct you mean? ...
 
Talk about much ado about nothing. Those percentages cannot be met overnight, it takes time to develop infrastructure, sourcing, logistics, and everything else necessary to make us independent on raw material sourcing, and we are doing this in the face of 100% opposition from the Republican Party.
Then have congress change the law requiring them. That’s the legal way to do it, NOT by bureaucratic fiat. This is the kind of thing that has gotten us the messed up excuse for a government that we have.
 
Read it again, still no link to the law in question ...



What law? ... I want a direct quote from the Federal Statutes ... or you got nothin' ...



Oh ... soory ... spot-on correct you mean? ...
Then go get it... It's your responsibility as the challenger of my source to prove it is wrong.


Hop to it or STFU.
 
Then go get it... It's your responsibility as the challenger of my source to prove it is wrong.


Hop to it or STFU.

Make me shut up ... in the United states, it is the claimant who must make their case first ... there's nothing here to rebut except some journalist's opinion ... who has a 1st Amendment right to lie ...

What law makes it illegal to import lithium into the United States from Bolivia? ... with the appropriate tariff paid ... the stuff is in a ship anchored off Long Beach ... Tesla Inc. holds the Bill of Sale ...
 

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