Transgender diagnosis

[Votto]

As I have already pointed out, any condition that can be identified as a disorder that leads to people not reproducing could also be deemed the same.


In other words, the Left is telling us that disorders no longer exist.

It's Ok, they have done this with everything. Now there is no such thing as male/female, right/wrong. No, it's all 0 shades of gray with no real differences.

Can all cis-gender, heterosexuals reproduce, and do you harbor the same animosity towards those who cannot?

The gross ignorance from these folks boggles the mind. After this many posts, the truth of their hate, fear, and ignorance is off the charts. You realize they know shit. It's so pathetic.

Nothing ignorant about knowing that being born male means you're male (vice versa) and no matter how hard you wish for it to be true, you can't be the opposite gender.

BTW, there are only two genders. Anything else shows a mental illness of those claiming it and supporting it.

Still waiting on your professional/scientific proof it is a "mental illness"?

Define mental illness.

I'm thinking that is no longer a disorder as well.

But the term dysphoria has already been taken, so maybe just refer to them as Dims.

 

[Aponi]

Look, go outside and pick up sticks. Are people so damn stupid they don't have the common sense to understand they have nothing to debate? If you aren't going to educate yourself get lost.

Again, you aren't prepared to back up that demand.

Being transgender is a mental illness. There is nothing more to debate. Anything you say is trying to justify mental illness as OK and encouraging mentally ill people to be that way.

There are just folks out there who breed them and make them, but they don't shit with them later on. What can you say?

No one is born transgender. It's a choice made due to a mental illness.

Sure it is Sling Blade. Which is why you never produce anything proving that; Gender: When the body and brain disagree

You are dead for education, but I'll bet you could pick up a pile of sticks.

If the body and brain disagree in this situation, it's called mental illness.

You make it more clear every time you post that you're one of them, know someone that is, or have a family member that needs help.

Its not mental illness people are indeed born perfering one sex to the other for them self .They are hard wired and dont get a vote.
Science will confrim what Im saying .

 

[JoeMoma]

Is Being Transgender a Mental Disorder?

It used to be that being diagnosed as transgender was considered to be a mental illness, but not today.

Why?

If it is not a disorder then why the need to flood the body with foreign hormones and mutilate perfectly healthy genitals?

If you've done a little reading on the subject, listen to experts, and understood Biology, these folks doing things to their genitals makes perfect sense. Bottom line, because I'm not going to give you a lecture on the subject, you need to research the answers for yourself, It begins in the brain, from the womb. The simple elementary explanation is that the brain decides the sex based on various chromosome configurations. Except, occasionally, the brain becomes confused and never makes that decision. That is the beginning of the understanding process. It's up to you to take further steps, if you really want to understand, or at least recognize that there could be a Biological explanation. Most people who are hard core haters of gays or Transgenders will never do any research on the subject. So to spend time trying to educate them on the subject is a waste of time. You have to be willing to try and understand what is really going on, not just hate what you don't understand.

So the brain does not make the switch?

Again, this sounds like a disorder. Why is it not PC to call it a disorder?

First off, I'm not here to label it. I presented my case based on my own research that I read. I'm not a doctor or professional who is qualified to label it either way. That said, those who take the leap to try and understand the biological influences from the developing brain in the womb where the signal to the brain becomes confused through a chemical reaction, confusing the chromosome makeup, should be hard pressed to call it a disorder. I don't know. I'm not a doctor.

My personal opinion, and this may take folks aback, but I am convinced that it is a biological function, not a disorder, to control populations. Population dynamics is a fascinating subject by its own right, because, without a population balance, and I'm going to use animals as an example, exceed the natural capacity of the land to support healthy populations. Anyone ever see a male Deer humping another male Deer for example? All the hunters out there have seen this, including me. As a matter of fact, I have hunted Deer in areas where the populations were so high, that there were visible browse lines absent of good nutritional food, weight loss occurred, and deformed racks were common place. And I can't tell you how many times I watched Bucks mounting other Bucks on these properties. Why is this important to understand as it relates to the OP? Because, I believe there is a direct relationship between nature trying to control populations by ensuring the land sustains a healthy population of animals. It's natures way of responding to the need. Nature is a constant, where it works around the clock for the perpetuation of the species. And how did it respond to the Deer? How many bucks impregnated other bucks?

In other words, to give some explanation to the OP, the answer we seek, is simply nature doing what nature does to ensure healthy populations. We as humans do not practice population control as a general rule, so nature maybe helping us out? In Biology, we know animals practice population control with the help of nature.

I think sane, intelligent, informed people can fill in the rest of the blanks for themselves. The rest will just have to live with their hate, ignorance, and unwillingness to learn anything past their noses.

Am I right? Maybe not? I'm not God. But I did at least make the attempt to go beyond the fear and the hatred before I made the conscious decision to either hate or accept something for which I had no previous understanding. For me, it makes perfect sense. For others, I don't know? That's up to them.

Understanding nature turned the corner for me, and once I gathered and understood all the data, it's been a no brainer for me.

Learn Biology people. That's all I can tell you. It will unlock an awful lot of bigotry.

Then why call anything a disorder? For example, if someone is born with a condition that will kill them quickly, you may as well reason that maybe nature is trying to reduce the population.

What a I missing here?

What your missing is the definition of a mental disorder which is behavioral or mental pattern that causes significant distress or impairment of personal functioning.

A person that feels that they are a female in a male body and is not distressed and is able to function in society without impairments does not have a mental disorder.

If they are not distressed, then why in the hell are men having their dicks cut off.

 

[Flopper]

Can all cis-gender, heterosexuals reproduce, and do you harbor the same animosity towards those who cannot?

The gross ignorance from these folks boggles the mind. After this many posts, the truth of their hate, fear, and ignorance is off the charts. You realize they know shit. It's so pathetic.

Nothing ignorant about knowing that being born male means you're male (vice versa) and no matter how hard you wish for it to be true, you can't be the opposite gender.

BTW, there are only two genders. Anything else shows a mental illness of those claiming it and supporting it.

Still waiting on your professional/scientific proof it is a "mental illness"?

Define mental illness.

I'm thinking that is no longer a disorder as well.

But the term dysphoria has already been taken, so maybe just refer to them as Dims.

A mental disorder is any mental condition that causes you great distress which is classified in the DSM.

There are 121 million hits on transgender on the Net, more than Bipolar and more Schizophrenia, more than OCD, and more than most common mental disorders so you might reasonable conclude that it is a huge medical problem today. However, the fact is it's rare. Only between 20 and 50 people out of 100,000 are diagnosed. This does not even come close to meeting the medical requirements of a rare disease, yet we are on the 18 page of posts in this thread.
Rare Disease Day 2019 - 28 Feb - Article

 

[Votto]

The gross ignorance from these folks boggles the mind. After this many posts, the truth of their hate, fear, and ignorance is off the charts. You realize they know shit. It's so pathetic.

Nothing ignorant about knowing that being born male means you're male (vice versa) and no matter how hard you wish for it to be true, you can't be the opposite gender.

BTW, there are only two genders. Anything else shows a mental illness of those claiming it and supporting it.

Still waiting on your professional/scientific proof it is a "mental illness"?

Define mental illness.

I'm thinking that is no longer a disorder as well.

But the term dysphoria has already been taken, so maybe just refer to them as Dims.

A mental disorder is any mental condition that causes you great distress which is classified in the DSM.

There are 121 million hits on transgender on the Net, more than Bipolar and more Schizophrenia, more than OCD, and more than most common mental disorders so you might reasonable conclude that it is a huge medical problem today. However, the fact is it's rare. Only between 20 and 50 people out of 100,000 are diagnosed. This does not even come close to meeting the medical requirements of a rare disease, yet we on the 18 page of posts in this thread.
Rare Disease Day 2019 - 28 Feb - Article

I predict that with the condition being promoted by the Left and the media obsessed with it, it will become more and more common.

 

[Flopper]

Nothing ignorant about knowing that being born male means you're male (vice versa) and no matter how hard you wish for it to be true, you can't be the opposite gender.

BTW, there are only two genders. Anything else shows a mental illness of those claiming it and supporting it.

Still waiting on your professional/scientific proof it is a "mental illness"?

Define mental illness.

I'm thinking that is no longer a disorder as well.

But the term dysphoria has already been taken, so maybe just refer to them as Dims.

A mental disorder is any mental condition that causes you great distress which is classified in the DSM.

There are 121 million hits on transgender on the Net, more than Bipolar and more Schizophrenia, more than OCD, and more than most common mental disorders so you might reasonable conclude that it is a huge medical problem today. However, the fact is it's rare. Only between 20 and 50 people out of 100,000 are diagnosed. This does not even come close to meeting the medical requirements of a rare disease, yet we on the 18 page of posts in this thread.
Rare Disease Day 2019 - 28 Feb - Article

I predict that with the condition being promoted by the Left and the media obsessed with it, it will become more and more common.

Well it may become more common in discussions because there are strong political ideological overtones however, as far as actually diagnoses I doubt that's going to change much.

 

[Ame®icano]

Your scientific proof it is a "mental illness"? Your scientific proof they are "freaks"?

What scientific proof is needed to confirm mental illness?

If you believe, and claim you're something you're not, why "scientific proof" is needed to confirm you're not what you claim you are?

The only scientific proof needed to confirm your gender is XX or XY chromosome.

But nooooo, there is more than that. No, it isn't.

Except there is. What decides XX or XY? The developing brain right? What happens if there is a chemical reaction in the brain and it becomes confused and can't make that decision? What happens then? Are you going to call that a "mental illness"? Are you aware that there are scientists out there that have made that discovery a very real possibility of explaining Homosexuality and Transgenders? So, in the event that happens, does the developing fetus when born, then grown, understand his or her own gender? Is it possible that that could be the answer? If your answer is no, then present us with some counter science that tells us different. This is your moment to shine or drown right here, right now. I'm waiting.

"What decides XX or XY? The developing brain right?"

No. Brain doesn't decide anything. Decision is made "by chance" long before brain develops by pairing the X chromosome provided by ovum and X or Y chromosome provided by sperm. Any other pairing combination is considered deviation.

 

[Flopper]

Your scientific proof it is a "mental illness"? Your scientific proof they are "freaks"?

What scientific proof is needed to confirm mental illness?

If you believe, and claim you're something you're not, why "scientific proof" is needed to confirm you're not what you claim you are?

The only scientific proof needed to confirm your gender is XX or XY chromosome.

But nooooo, there is more than that. No, it isn't.

Except there is. What decides XX or XY? The developing brain right? What happens if there is a chemical reaction in the brain and it becomes confused and can't make that decision? What happens then? Are you going to call that a "mental illness"? Are you aware that there are scientists out there that have made that discovery a very real possibility of explaining Homosexuality and Transgenders? So, in the event that happens, does the developing fetus when born, then grown, understand his or her own gender? Is it possible that that could be the answer? If your answer is no, then present us with some counter science that tells us different. This is your moment to shine or drown right here, right now. I'm waiting.

"What decides XX or XY? The developing brain right?"

No. Brain doesn't decide anything. Decision is made "by chance" long before brain develops by pairing the X chromosome provided by ovum and X or Y chromosome provided by sperm. Any other pairing combination is considered deviation.

People with gender identification disorder do not deny their sex. They just believe they can't live the role that is associated with their sex. For example a female with gender identification disorder would find having sex as a female, giving birth, dressing as female, and following other roles we normally associate with females to be a discussing experience. In short, they hate being what they are yet they have no way to change who they are. So they live a life of self hatred.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

What you are missing is that a person who's gender identity is different from their assigned gender…

That is anti-scientific bullsh•t, and every sane person knows it.

Where is your documentation proving that? "Anti-scientific bull shit"? Now that I have to read. We'll be waiting.

I don't have to prove it. It's what every sane person knows. Male and female are defined by objective, observable, provable distinctions in genetics, biology, morphology, and reproductive function.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. To claim that someone who is genetically, biologically, and morphologically aman, is in any way, a woman, is an extraordinary claim in the extreme. Your side cannot even meet the standard of ordinary proof to support such a bizarre and absurd claim, much less the degree of extraordinary proof that such a claim demands.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Except there is. What decides XX or XY? The developing brain right? What happens if there is a chemical reaction in the brain and it becomes confused and can't make that decision? What happens then? Are you going to call that a "mental illness"?

Uh, no.

A mammalian ovum/egg contains an X chromosome. A mammalian sperm cell contains either an X chromosome or a Y chromosome.

XX or XY is entirely determined by which sperm cell succeeds in fertilizing the ovum. If the winning sperm contains an X chromosome, then you get a girl. If it contains a Y chromosome, then you get a boy. This happens long before the brain even begins to form, much less develop to the point of being able to make any decisions.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Science says you area stupid ****.

Not any science that is valid.

As I've often said before, when a LIbEral speaks of “science”, he rarely means by that word what sane people understand it to mean.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Historians will show that a growing number of mental ill freaks that didn't want to get help for their illness continued to commit suicide in number many, many times greater than society as a whole.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Justifying a mental illness isn't logical.

No matter how many times you repeat inane horseshit, it is still inane horseshit, and it will still be inane horseshit tomorrow and the next day and the day after. You have offered nothing to support your claim ,nor have you even attempted to rebut the science that has been presented so, once again, it's inane horseshit,

So, what you are saying, then, is that it is logical to justify a mental illness?

 

[Bob Blaylock]

People with gender identification disorder do not deny their sex. They just believe they can't live the role that is associated with their sex. For example a female with gender identification disorder would find having sex as a female, giving birth, dressing as female, and following other roles we normally associate with females to be a discussing experience. In short, they hate being what they are yet they have no way to change who they are. So they live a life of self hatred.

Like Bruce Jenner, who fathered half a dozen children before he decided to “become a woman” and have his Flopper cut off?

 

[BWK]

Your scientific proof it is a "mental illness"? Your scientific proof they are "freaks"?

What scientific proof is needed to confirm mental illness?

If you believe, and claim you're something you're not, why "scientific proof" is needed to confirm you're not what you claim you are?

The only scientific proof needed to confirm your gender is XX or XY chromosome.

But nooooo, there is more than that. No, it isn't.

Except there is. What decides XX or XY? The developing brain right? What happens if there is a chemical reaction in the brain and it becomes confused and can't make that decision? What happens then? Are you going to call that a "mental illness"? Are you aware that there are scientists out there that have made that discovery a very real possibility of explaining Homosexuality and Transgenders? So, in the event that happens, does the developing fetus when born, then grown, understand his or her own gender? Is it possible that that could be the answer? If your answer is no, then present us with some counter science that tells us different. This is your moment to shine or drown right here, right now. I'm waiting.

"What decides XX or XY? The developing brain right?"

No. Brain doesn't decide anything. Decision is made "by chance" long before brain develops by pairing the X chromosome provided by ovum and X or Y chromosome provided by sperm. Any other pairing combination is considered deviation.

Oh, so according to you, "any other pairing is a deviation". Got it. So, is that a mental illness? And how does the brain and the body respond to that deviation?

 

[BWK]

Except there is. What decides XX or XY? The developing brain right? What happens if there is a chemical reaction in the brain and it becomes confused and can't make that decision? What happens then? Are you going to call that a "mental illness"?

Uh, no.

A mammalian ovum/egg contains an X chromosome. A mammalian sperm cell contains either an X chromosome or a Y chromosome.

XX or XY is entirely determined by which sperm cell succeeds in fertilizing the ovum. If the winning sperm contains an X chromosome, then you get a you get a boy. This happens long before the brain even begins to form, much less develop to the point of being able to make any decisions.

“All available evidence points towards a biologically determined identity,” Kranz says. “In [transgender] people you would say there was a mismatch in the testosterone milieu during the development of the body and then during development of the brain, so that the body was masculinized and the brain was feminized, or the other way around.” Are the Brains of Transgender People Different from Those of Cisgender People?

 

[BWK]

Except there is. What decides XX or XY? The developing brain right? What happens if there is a chemical reaction in the brain and it becomes confused and can't make that decision? What happens then? Are you going to call that a "mental illness"?

Uh, no.

A mammalian ovum/egg contains an X chromosome. A mammalian sperm cell contains either an X chromosome or a Y chromosome.

XX or XY is entirely determined by which sperm cell succeeds in fertilizing the ovum. If the winning sperm contains an X chromosome, then you get a girl. If it contains a Y chromosome, then you get a boy. This happens long before the brain even begins to form, much less develop to the point of being able to make any decisions.

Things don't always work out the way the body and the brain complements itself in the womb. Are the Brains of Transgender People Different from Those of Cisgender People?

“All available evidence points towards a biologically determined identity,” Kranz says. “In [transgender] people you would say there was a mismatch in the testosterone milieu during the development of the body and then during development of the brain, so that the body was masculinized and the brain was feminized, or the other way around.”

 

[BWK]

What you are missing is that a person who's gender identity is different from their assigned gender…

That is anti-scientific bullsh•t, and every sane person knows it.

Where is your documentation proving that? "Anti-scientific bull shit"? Now that I have to read. We'll be waiting.

I don't have to prove it. It's what every sane person knows. Male and female are defined by objective, observable, provable distinctions in genetics, biology, morphology, and reproductive function.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. To claim that someone who is genetically, biologically, and morphologically aman, is in any way, a woman, is an extraordinary claim in the extreme. Your side cannot even meet the standard of ordinary proof to support such a bizarre and absurd claim, much less the degree of extraordinary proof that such a claim demands.

If the other side can't do it as you say, then we know your side certainly hasn't. But you and your ilk have been perpetuating hate, fear, and ignorance for centuries at the expense of a loss of life, while your side has proven nothing.

 

[BWK]

Science says you area stupid ****.

Not any science that is valid.

Look, go outside and pick up sticks. Are people so damn stupid they don't have the common sense to understand they have nothing to debate? If you aren't going to educate yourself get lost.

Again, you aren't prepared to back up that demand.

Being transgender is a mental illness. There is nothing more to debate. Anything you say is trying to justify mental illness as OK and encouraging mentally ill people to be that way.

There are just folks out there who breed them and make them, but they don't shit with them later on. What can you say?

No one is born transgender. It's a choice made due to a mental illness.

And you're too ignorant to prove it.

 

[BWK]

As I have already pointed out, any condition that can be identified as a disorder that leads to people not reproducing could also be deemed the same.


In other words, the Left is telling us that disorders no longer exist.

It's Ok, they have done this with everything. Now there is no such thing as male/female, right/wrong. No, it's all 0 shades of gray with no real differences.

Can all cis-gender, heterosexuals reproduce, and do you harbor the same animosity towards those who cannot?

The gross ignorance from these folks boggles the mind. After this many posts, the truth of their hate, fear, and ignorance is off the charts. You realize they know shit. It's so pathetic.

Nothing ignorant about knowing that being born male means you're male (vice versa) and no matter how hard you wish for it to be true, you can't be the opposite gender.

BTW, there are only two genders. Anything else shows a mental illness of those claiming it and supporting it.

Still waiting on your professional/scientific proof it is a "mental illness"?

Define mental illness.

Some of the more common disorders are depression, bipolar disorder, dementia, schizophrenia and anxiety disorders. Symptoms may include changes in mood, personality, personal habits and/or social withdrawal.Mental health problems may be related to excessive stress due to a particular situation or series of events.

That's the definition. If being a Transgender was a mental illness, it would come about from the beginning. Not at some later point in time. Nothing in the definition relates to a Transgender.