Toxic Algae, etc.

[badger2]

Browsing the Comments show that a legacy of pollution is being left for future generations:

Toxic Algae 2019


Toxic Algae 2016
www.usmessageboard.com/threads/toxic-algae-spreading-in-florida-toxic-democrats-do-nothing-obama-silent.5074061/

 

[badger2]

www.usmessageboard.com/threads/toxic-algae-spreading-in-florida-toxic-democrats-do-nothing-obama-silent.507406/

 

[badger2]

9 Jul 2019 Mississippi Bloom

 

[badger2]

Chemistry of the Toxins

 

[Dekster]

Ban the use of phosphorus fertilizers and stop diverting water for agriculture. Otherwise, same problem, different year.

 

[badger2]

According to a cracker, these are new times for Okeechobee because of cumulative mistakes in management which changed the history of the lake, a difficult problem to correct. Note especially the points made @9:00.

Who Killed Lake Okeechobee?


Trump's Florida Dike

 

[badger2]

The Mississippi bloom (above) was assisted by run-off from Louisiana agriculture which was released due to flooding: freshwater mixed with saltwater on the Mississippi coast.

 

[Billy_Bob]

The Mississippi bloom (above) was assisted by run-off from Louisiana agriculture which was released due to flooding: freshwater mixed with saltwater on the Mississippi coast.

Natures response... Create an organism that eats the material and then dies to restore the ecosystems balance... Does it have negative effects? Yes.. They are temporary, in geological terms, and short lived.

 

[elektra]

let nature take its course
history tells us that demoRAT alarm-ism, is just that

 

[badger2]

The Mississippi algae bloom is un-natural when it is fertilized by the cattle industry and agricultural run-off.

According to the Okeechobee cracker in post #6, they are spraying for grass and more. They are using chemicals simply to use up the budgeted quota of chemicals. What chemicals are they using? What are long-term effects of these on algal genomes?

'When the public protests, confronted with some obvious evidence of damaging results of pesticide applications, it is fed little tranquilizing pills of half truth. We urgently need an end to these false assurances, to the sugar coating of unpalatable facts. It is the public that is being asked to assume the risks that the insect controllers calculate. The public must decide whether it wishes to continue on the present road, and it can do so only when in full possession of the facts. In the words of Jean Rostand, "The obligation to endure gives us the right to know." '
(Rachel Carson, Silent Spring)

 

[badger2]

The allegations of alarmism is a stigmatizing band-aid when it substitutes for scientific facts. Just because you're not paranoid does not mean that there is nothing waiting for the chance to hunt your DNA down.

 

[Billy_Bob]

The Mississippi algae bloom is un-natural when it is fertilized by the cattle industry and agricultural run-off.

According to the Okeechobee cracker in post #6, they are spraying for grass and more. They are using chemicals simply to use up the budgeted quota of chemicals. What chemicals are they using? What are long-term effects of these on algal genomes?

'When the public protests, confronted with some obvious evidence of damaging results of pesticide applications, it is fed little tranquilizing pills of half truth. We urgently need an end to these false assurances, to the sugar coating of unpalatable facts. It is the public that is being asked to assume the risks that the insect controllers calculate. The public must decide whether it wishes to continue on the present road, and it can do so only when in full possession of the facts. In the words of Jean Rostand, "The obligation to endure gives us the right to know." '
(Rachel Carson, Silent Spring)

Most ranchers I know will turn their range land once every 3 years and let it lay for a year stopping this issue. They also sell their dung to other farmers to turn it into the land and decrease the fertilizers they use. There are ways to combat this that are farmer freindly.

 

[Andylusion]

Ban the use of phosphorus fertilizers and stop diverting water for agriculture. Otherwise, same problem, different year.

And what happens when we have wide spread starvation?

 

[Dekster]

Ban the use of phosphorus fertilizers and stop diverting water for agriculture. Otherwise, same problem, different year.

And what happens when we have wide spread starvation?

We set up an 800 number and let them call customer service in India to commiserate.

 

[Andylusion]

I think this issue should be handled at the state level. Each state should decide their own counters for this problem.

 

[Andylusion]

Ban the use of phosphorus fertilizers and stop diverting water for agriculture. Otherwise, same problem, different year.

And what happens when we have wide spread starvation?

We set up an 800 number and let them call customer service in India to commiserate.

So you don't care. Got it. This is like AOC banning oil, and having even environmentalists point out that cities would all starve without a way to transport food into the cities.

It's people like you that elect Trump into office.

 

[flacaltenn]

The Mississippi algae bloom is un-natural when it is fertilized by the cattle industry and agricultural run-off.

According to the Okeechobee cracker in post #6, they are spraying for grass and more. They are using chemicals simply to use up the budgeted quota of chemicals. What chemicals are they using? What are long-term effects of these on algal genomes?

'When the public protests, confronted with some obvious evidence of damaging results of pesticide applications, it is fed little tranquilizing pills of half truth. We urgently need an end to these false assurances, to the sugar coating of unpalatable facts. It is the public that is being asked to assume the risks that the insect controllers calculate. The public must decide whether it wishes to continue on the present road, and it can do so only when in full possession of the facts. In the words of Jean Rostand, "The obligation to endure gives us the right to know." '
(Rachel Carson, Silent Spring)

Toxic algae blooms are historic and natural... The ADDITIONAL problems need to be addressed. You can never completely solve this problem without risky bioengineering...

 

[badger2]

#15: the standards for each state will likely be set with the assistance of science: one state will have to follow suit for the majority of states. Don't rely on Mississippi, who has the techniques but not the intelligence to test for flesh-eating bacteria. Funding is a lame excuse.

#17: As we explained, un-natural conditions will tweak the genomes of these organisms: Native Americans did not have to deal with bovine poop stimulating algae growth, sheer numbers of toxic algae. How far back do any records go? The term "risky" itself is problematic when the most simple solutions are not being seen in the media: filtering with nets, for example. That's how they take samples, so where are the studies on the use of simple nets? What is the excuse, that they are mixed with "good" organisms? When did bovines take precedence over Homo sapiens? This is not India.

23 Jul 2019 LA: Poop in the Water
There's 'poop in the water' at America's dirtiest beaches. Is yours on the list?

 

[badger2]

Rake the Lake

Some Wisconsin dairy farmers are considering recycling their waste for export.

For small bodies of water, citizen science and local coalitions could act to resolve the pollution. Beware of some clean-water organizations that will charge the person $135 to make them a citizen scientist to help with monitoring. Being a monitor does nothing physically about the problem, and a new binocular microscope for identifying (at least to the genus level?) can be purchased for the same amount. Fact is, a dangerous genus of algal species from Florida has shown up in Wisconsin lakes, though a different species. Apparently, the Wisconsin DNR is keeping that information esoteric: no actual lakes are mentioned in the media, as far as is known. Obviously, this is no time in global warmings for anal retention from a bureaucracy. The girls in the video (post #4) have done excellent work. Note that their reference to the U-2 spy plane pilot's capture by the Russians (saxitoxin) is akin to SOE's use of the 'L' pill. Further remarks is forthcoming on the Florida algal genus mentioned, because a $135 microscope may indeed enable a citizen scientist in Wisconsin to identify it.

Pond Skimmer
Pond Skimmer | Parachute Skimmer

 

[badger2]

The Florida toxic algae is Aphanizomenon ovalisporum (for the toxin, cylindrospermopsin), though another species of this genus was found in several yet-to-be-identified Wisconsin lakes, likely introduced via migrating waterfowl.

It was Guattari who first linked Trump to algae in 1989:

'Now more than ever, nature cannot be separated from culture; in order to comprehend the interactions between ecosystems, the mechanosphere and the social and individual Universes of reference, we must learn to think 'transversally.' Just as monstrous and mutant algae invade the lagoon of Venice, so our television screens are populated, saturated, by 'degenerate' images and statements (enonces). In the field of social ecology, men like Donald Trump are permitted to proliferate freely, like another species of algae, taking over entire districts of New York and Atlantic City; he 'redevelops' by raising rents, thereby driving out tens of thousands of poor families, most of whom are condemned to homelessness, becoming the equivalent of dead fish of environmental ecology.'
(Guattari, The Three Ecologies)